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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 12:17:53 PM

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I find it ironic that a bunch men who cannot get pregnant from rape seem to have such strong ideas of how the people who actually can get pregnant from rape should feel about it and how they should deal with.

What you call irony I call asinine willful ignorance...but then you are more polite than I.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 12:55:12 PM

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 12:56:26 PM

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I find it ironic that a bunch men who cannot get pregnant from rape seem to have such strong ideas of how the people who actually can get pregnant from rape should feel about it and how they should deal with.

What you call irony I call asinine willful ignorance...but then you are more polite than I.

I wonder if their viewpoint would change if it was their wife or daughter?

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 1:02:25 PM

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That is not up to you to decide. The pregnancy and the rape, while linked, are still separate. A resulting pregnancy can still be considered a gift, regardless of how horrible a rape is.

How can something linked that closely be separate?

And, while I would admire any woman who would view a pregnancy that resulted from rape as a gift, I could not. I think you would find, if you asked about, that I am not in the minority on that belief.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 1:22:57 PM

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Nice play on words,

though I was referring to the definition

syn·tax
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Linguistics .
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the study of the rules for the formation of grammatical sentences in a language.
b.
the study of the patterns of formation of sentences and phrases from words.
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the rules or patterns so studied: English syntax.
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a presentation of these: a syntax of English.
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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 1:45:40 PM

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I find it ironic that a bunch men who cannot get pregnant from rape seem to have such strong ideas of how the people who actually can get pregnant from rape should feel about it and how they should deal with.

i see this statement a lot, and i think men should have a say in this argument because women can't become impregnated in the first place -- consensual or not -- without a man's sperm. it's like arguing women shouldn't have strong ideas about male circumcision because they don't have a penis. i just think it's kind of silly.

that said, i don't think anyone, male or female, should dictate what another person does with their body. thank goodness for the morning-after pill, IUDs and birth control. i'm pro-choice, but i see abortion as a last resort method of contraception, especially since it's rather invasive and can wreak havoc with the reproduction system if used too frequently.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 2:05:31 PM

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I find it ironic that a bunch men who cannot get pregnant from rape seem to have such strong ideas of how the people who actually can get pregnant from rape should feel about it and how they should deal with.

i see this statement a lot, and i think men should have a say in this argument because women can't become impregnated in the first place -- consensual or not -- without a man's sperm. it's like arguing women shouldn't have strong ideas about male circumcision because they don't have a penis. i just think it's kind of silly.

that said, i don't think anyone, male or female, should dictate what another person does with their body. thank goodness for the morning-after pill, IUDs and birth control. i'm pro-choice, but i see abortion as a last resort method of contraception, especially since it's rather invasive and can wreak havoc with the reproduction system if used too frequently.

Most religious doctrine comes to us from men. So most religious teachings, rules, etc. are from a male's point of view (again, speaking across all religions broadly). Let's take one example. "And you shall not covet your neighbor's wife". This is never translated as "You shall not covet your neighbor's spouse". Why is that? Because this is text written by a man to other men. Women are incidental.

So, to the extent that politicians wish to use their religious background to help them think through political issues, it is always going to skew them to a male perspective, that largely ignores women, or treats them as incidental. Every major religion on the face of the planet is subject to this criticism. This is why religion and politics need to stay separate. Women had no say in how the major religions were framed. Using religion allows one to pretty much ignore the rights of half of the population.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 2:21:11 PM

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Nice play on words, though I was referring to the definition

Hell, I knew what you meant. I also noticed how you spelled it. Looked it up, and it wasn't an alternate spelling. So, I ran with it.

Had it truly been a play on words, though, I could have gone on a tangent about a "sin tax." That would have been fun, too, but I have talked about sin taxes (don't think it was here, though) before, and wouldn't have the strange twist that "syntex" provided.

Yes, I have argued on syntax... when it mattered. It doesn't matter, in this case.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 2:27:25 PM

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That is not up to you to decide. The pregnancy and the rape, while linked, are still separate. A resulting pregnancy can still be considered a gift, regardless of how horrible a rape is.

How can something linked that closely be separate?

You can have one without the other. Getting raped isn't required to get pregnant, and not all rapes result in a pregnancy.

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And, while I would admire any woman who would view a pregnancy that resulted from rape as a gift, I could not. I think you would find, if you asked about, that I am not in the minority on that belief.

Regardless of how many women believe the way you do (and, for the record, I can't imagine being able to see a gift from God in a rape pregnancy if it occurred to any of the women in my life), it doesn't matter. Neither you, nor I, get to decide for a woman who got pregnant from being raped. There could be zero women who think a pregnancy that resulted from a rape was a gift from God. It is still up the woman who got raped to determine how she feels about it.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 3:41:58 PM

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Lucretia knew how she felt about being raped: she committed suicide. This act of suicide, rejecting the consequence - giving birth to child fathered by an animal - of rape, was and is one of the roots of the successful Western culture in my opinion.

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Lucretia (died c.508 B.C.) is a semi-legendary figure in the history of the Roman Republic. According to the story, told mainly by the Roman historian Livy and the Greek historian Dionysius of Halicarnassus (who lived in Rome at the time of the Roman Emperor Caesar Augustus), her rape by the king's son and consequent suicide

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 3:53:18 PM

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That is not up to you to decide. The pregnancy and the rape, while linked, are still separate. A resulting pregnancy can still be considered a gift, regardless of how horrible a rape is.

How can something linked that closely be separate?

You can have one without the other. Getting raped isn't required to get pregnant, and not all rapes result in a pregnancy.

You just dont get it do you. Have you seen an actual video of Mourdocks remarks, he is clearly linking both events ?

To suggest otherwise, is plain stupid.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 3:57:54 PM

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Regarding the linking:

Were you forced to take it up the ass, I think you would link the rape to the descendant events.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 4:02:35 PM

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Most religious doctrine comes to us from men. So most religious teachings, rules, etc. are from a male's point of view (again, speaking across all religions broadly)... a male perspective, that largely ignores women, or treats them as incidental. Every major religion on the face of the planet is subject to this criticism... Using religion allows one to pretty much ignore the rights of half of the population.

I think I may have mentioned previously that when it comes to religion, most of the time you have no idea what you're talking about. If not, please allow me to correct that omission.

The Sacred Feminine

From antiquity to the present, the world’s cultures have formed very specific attitudes toward the role of women in religion. These attitudes have fluctuated immensely...

The Holy Spirit: The Feminine Aspect Of the Godhead

"There is currently much talk of "feminine issues," particularly in social and political contexts. This growing awareness of gender- related matters was not something ignored by the early Church and the writers of ancient religious texts. As we see in this article by Dr. Hurtak, the notion of femininity played an extremely important and significant role in the thinking and belief system of the intertestamental authors. Far from being the overbearing patriarchal advocates as they are often portrayed, more recent findings reveal an innate sensitivity and appreciation for the feminine aspect of Divinity than has been previously suspected.

Mother: The Infinite Matrix

As the "spiritual" principle, the female images the One Transcendent within the individual. The term used most frequently in Sikh scripture for the Spirit within the body is joti (or nur at times), meaning light. Joti is grammatically feminine...

The Triple Goddess

The Triple Goddess is a term first popularised by the poet and scholar Robert Graves in the 20th century. He depicted the triplicity as Maiden, Mother and Crone and many neo-pagans have followed this imagery. While some scholars attributed the idea to the lively imagination of the poet, recent archaeology has made it abundantly clear that "Goddess Triplicities" are to be found throughout ancient Europe. In Hinduism today, the triplicity of the Goddess in Shakta worship is of cardinal importance, and outside the Indo-European world the Triple Goddess is found in Africa and Asia.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 4:06:10 PM

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see above post for examples.

well, i'm not religious in the least, so i'm not sure why that was addressed to me. the point i wanted to make is that everyone is allowed to have an opinion on anything they want, regardless of their ability to bear children.

to say that "most rules...etc." are from a male's point of view is kind of simplistic and promotes a "women-are-victims" mentality. throughout history, women have held positions of power and contributed great things to society, so i'm not sure what world you're living in.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 4:26:25 PM

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Who votes for these despicable Republican morons ? He actually said that in a political debate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20054737

You do understand that the Bible states that God already knows what we are going to do before we do it, right? If you believe in predestination, then getting pregnant from rape can be seen as intentional. It could be seen as a "test" of one's faith for that same reason.

Don't take that as a defense of Mourdock, just presenting a possible rationale for his belief. I have my personal beliefs about abortion, and I take the stand that Government should keep out of the decision-making.

Ya know, the funny thing is....everyone gets caught up in all the hyperbole but...Romney has stated several times..."I don't believe in abortion....but I represent you...and the laws of this country".

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 4:29:12 PM

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Who votes for these despicable Republican morons ?

Other despicable republican morons.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 4:35:26 PM

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Most religious doctrine comes to us from men. So most religious teachings, rules, etc. are from a male's point of view (again, speaking across all religions broadly)... a male perspective, that largely ignores women, or treats them as incidental. Every major religion on the face of the planet is subject to this criticism... Using religion allows one to pretty much ignore the rights of half of the population.

I think I may have mentioned previously that when it comes to religion, most of the time you have no idea what you're talking about. If not, please allow me to correct that omission.

The Sacred Feminine
From antiquity to the present, the world’s cultures have formed very specific attitudes toward the role of women in religion. These attitudes have fluctuated immensely...
The Holy Spirit: The Feminine Aspect Of the Godhead
"There is currently much talk of "feminine issues," particularly in social and political contexts. This growing awareness of gender- related matters was not something ignored by the early Church and the writers of ancient religious texts. As we see in this article by Dr. Hurtak, the notion of femininity played an extremely important and significant role in the thinking and belief system of the intertestamental authors. Far from being the overbearing patriarchal advocates as they are often portrayed, more recent findings reveal an innate sensitivity and appreciation for the feminine aspect of Divinity than has been previously suspected.
Mother: The Infinite Matrix
As the "spiritual" principle, the female images the One Transcendent within the individual. The term used most frequently in Sikh scripture for the Spirit within the body is joti (or nur at times), meaning light. Joti is grammatically feminine...
The Triple Goddess
The Triple Goddess is a term first popularised by the poet and scholar Robert Graves in the 20th century. He depicted the triplicity as Maiden, Mother and Crone and many neo-pagans have followed this imagery. While some scholars attributed the idea to the lively imagination of the poet, recent archaeology has made it abundantly clear that "Goddess Triplicities" are to be found throughout ancient Europe. In Hinduism today, the triplicity of the Goddess in Shakta worship is of cardinal importance, and outside the Indo-European world the Triple Goddess is found in Africa and Asia.
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Thank you for your thoughts.

K.

I am of Hindu ancestry. This is all fine philosophically, but if you actually look at Hindu scripture and the role of women in it, it has nothing to do with all this wonderful stuff you've quoted above. The fact that Catholics worship the Virgin Mary does not make the religion as a whole any more open minded about women's issues. It is you who do not understand Hinduism if you are going to quote the above to ME who was raised a Hindu. Give me a break buddy.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 4:40:14 PM

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Who votes for these despicable Republican morons ? He actually said that in a political debate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20054737

You do understand that the Bible states that God already knows what we are going to do before we do it, right? If you believe in predestination, then getting pregnant from rape can be seen as intentional. It could be seen as a "test" of one's faith for that same reason.

Don't take that as a defense of Mourdock, just presenting a possible rationale for his belief. I have my personal beliefs about abortion, and I take the stand that Government should keep out of the decision-making.

I'm not Christian, Catholic, or religious in any shape or form, and because of that I remain blissfully ignorant of the hypocrisies of the Bible/Torah or whatever other religious book people read, compared to what people actually DO.

That being said (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) If "God" already knows what we are going to do before we do it doesn't that negate that little value of "Free Will" and all that I've heard mentioned quite a few times as being in these religious books which people worship so blindly?

Actually, no....it enforces it.

He said you have free will.

You can choose to decide outside of "my wishes" or you can choose within your own.

Does that make anyone a blasphemer because they chose outside of "Gods will"?

No less so than those that believe that Judas was himself a blasphemer.

If God knows everything and that everything is God's wish, then....wouldn't it be as true that Judas was part of Gods plan, and....inherently (Judas) a God filled man...sitting still today with God?

Gods will, as best as I can discern it is...you choose....the repercussions are your own but....they're not exactly arbitrary because, throughout Jesus' teachings were....choice.

So...is the meat sinful as to the Jews? If you're a Jew, don't eat the meat.

Gentiles can eat as much as they choose without sin.

It's YOUR interpretation....your free will....that determines sin.

And of course, there are some sins that are without debate...murder.....coveting (a stupid thing considering we can all have {literally} anything, ergo coveting is not only a sin but, a severe waste of time...ergo, if you believe life has value and therefore, time since we all can't live forever...a sin...as in not wasting what you were given), and...naturally...believing that Lookienonookie hasn't all the answers....but then again...you choose.

You always choose.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 4:46:35 PM

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And of course, there are some sins that are without debate...murder

Opinions vary.

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RE: Now God intended rape to happen. - 10/25/2012 5:12:41 PM

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It was not addressed to you per se, but to the thread that Oside had started and to your response. If you read carefully, I was not disagreeing with either of you. I was simply expanding on the line of thinking. Again, Oside's point was about the irony of men making rules that have to do with women - and my point is simply that men are the ones who wrote most scripture.

The rules I am referring to are religious ones. And if you feel that historically women have had an equal say in how religion has been shaped you are entitled to your opinion, but on that point, I strongly disagree.

Again, your personal experience of religion might vary, but I don't find most of the world's religions to be particularly favorable to women. I do not see what women holding leadership positions in other walks of life has to do with my discussion of religion and religious dogma and religious rules. I was not speaking about anything beyond that. Most, if not all, religious scripture (from almost all major religions) was written by men. You don't really hear a true female perspective from scriptures. You hear about women, and you hear about what women should or should not do - but all through the lens of men. That is what I meant.

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