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By the way,the analogy sucks,last I looked Iran was not gobbling up her neighbors,and no we are not anywhere near the point of no return.
Hell there are voices in Israel who are pleading for restraint,to let the sanctions do their work,it's only Netenayhu(sp?) and Romney who are beating the histrionic shrill call for immediate action

Have you ever listened to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? "They gathered, organized and armed the dirties[sic], filthiest and most criminal so-called humans from different parts of the world more than 60 years ago under a false and void excuse and through making fake news and stories. They occupied the Palestinian territories and made the Palestinian nation homeless through their military and propaganda supports" Fars News Agency, Official Iranian Media Translation, unedited, June 16, 2010

So-called humans? Really now.

In a speech to the United Nations on 26 September 2012, which some media said was notable for having "none of the usual dishevelled extremism" or "sabre rattling" that he is known for, Ahmadinejad called for a new world order not dominated by Western powers and condemned the continual threats of military action against Iran by "uncivilized Zionists."

"Many who are disappointed in the struggle between the Islamic world and the infidels have tried to spread the blame. They say it is not possible to have a world without the United States and Zionism. But you know that this is a possible goal and slogan." New York Times, translation, October 30, 2005


Yep, he sure is a great guy!

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I recall from my history classes another group, bent on world domination and destroying the Jews, that the British tried to appease.

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I believe she's referring to the Nazi's, Mike. Google "Chamberlain," for a refresher.

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By the way,the analogy sucks,last I looked Iran was not gobbling up her neighbors,and no we are not anywhere near the point of no return.
Hell there are voices in Israel who are pleading for restraint,to let the sanctions do their work,it's only Netenayhu(sp?) and Romney who are beating the histrionic shrill call for immediate action

Have you ever listened to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? "They gathered, organized and armed the dirties[sic], filthiest and most criminal so-called humans from different parts of the world more than 60 years ago under a false and void excuse and through making fake news and stories. They occupied the Palestinian territories and made the Palestinian nation homeless through their military and propaganda supports" Fars News Agency, Official Iranian Media Translation, unedited, June 16, 2010

So-called humans? Really now.

In a speech to the United Nations on 26 September 2012, which some media said was notable for having "none of the usual dishevelled extremism" or "sabre rattling" that he is known for, Ahmadinejad called for a new world order not dominated by Western powers and condemned the continual threats of military action against Iran by "uncivilized Zionists."

"Many who are disappointed in the struggle between the Islamic world and the infidels have tried to spread the blame. They say it is not possible to have a world without the United States and Zionism. But you know that this is a possible goal and slogan." New York Times, translation, October 30, 2005


Yep, he sure is a great guy!

Perhaps you might want to watch the interview with ahmadinejahd and mike wallace on 60 minutes. In it you will hear ahmadinejad point out the errors in the translations of what he said.

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Perhaps you might want to watch the interview with ahmadinejahd and mike wallace on 60 minutes. In it you will hear ahmadinejad point out the errors in the translations of what he said.


Three different speeches. The guy has made others. And your response is that the RIF is misunderstood. Sick.

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Should international law prevail on this issue?

FMRFGOPGAL :
Yep... Iran should be strung up for threarening the nuclear proliferation treaty.

Bartender. Another scotch and Iranian heavy water please

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FYI, Iran is a signatory of the Non Proliferation Treaty and in full standing with all its obligations under that treaty.

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Those sites pour cold water on all the scary myths your post suggests you have swallowed hook line and sinker.

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The triple alliance is also coupled with a 2005 NATO-Israeli military cooperation agreement under which Israel has become a de facto member of the Atlantic alliance. These military cooperation ties with NATO are viewed by the Israeli military as a means to “enhance Israel’s deterrence capability regarding potential enemies threatening it, mainly Iran and Syria.”

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Diverting Central Asian oil and gas to the Eastern Mediterranean (under Israeli military protection), for re-export back to Asia, serves to undermine the inter-Asian energy market, which is based on the development of direct pipeline corridors linking Central Asia and Russia to South Asia, China and the Far East.

Ultimately, this design is intended to weaken Russia’s role in Central Asia and cut off China from Central Asian oil resources. It is also intended to isolate Iran.

Meanwhile, Israel has emerged as a new powerful player in the global energy market.

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Note: The following map was prepared by Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters. It was published in the Armed Forces Journal in June 2006, Peters is a retired colonel of the U.S. National War Academy. (Map Copyright Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters 2006).

Although the map does not officially reflect Pentagon doctrine, it has been used in a training program at NATO’s Defense College for senior military officers. This map, as well as other similar maps, has most probably been used at the National War Academy as well as in military planning circles.

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So Israel, which has no oil is a major oil player? And Iran, China and Russia stand in the way of this. While the declining Anglo-American oil multinationals are lined up to take their percentages of the oil flow.

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Here is a better explanation as to the background and as to what is going on in the case of Isreal and Iran - http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-on-lebanon-and-the-battle-for-oil/2824

Naturally, since it is written by an award winning and widely published Canadian professor of economics it must be false, too.

But several of his points bear notice for they are unconverted

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The triple alliance is also coupled with a 2005 NATO-Israeli military cooperation agreement under which Israel has become a de facto member of the Atlantic alliance. These military cooperation ties with NATO are viewed by the Israeli military as a means to “enhance Israel’s deterrence capability regarding potential enemies threatening it, mainly Iran and Syria.”

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Diverting Central Asian oil and gas to the Eastern Mediterranean (under Israeli military protection), for re-export back to Asia, serves to undermine the inter-Asian energy market, which is based on the development of direct pipeline corridors linking Central Asia and Russia to South Asia, China and the Far East.

Ultimately, this design is intended to weaken Russia’s role in Central Asia and cut off China from Central Asian oil resources. It is also intended to isolate Iran.

Meanwhile, Israel has emerged as a new powerful player in the global energy market.

So Israel, which has no oil is a major oil player? And Iran, China and Russia stand in the way of this. While the declining Anglo-American oil multinationals are lined up to take their percentages of the oil flow.

And here is the US military map of the national borders rearrangement envisioned to properly implement this plan -

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Note: The following map was prepared by Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters. It was published in the Armed Forces Journal in June 2006, Peters is a retired colonel of the U.S. National War Academy. (Map Copyright Lieutenant-Colonel Ralph Peters 2006).

Although the map does not officially reflect Pentagon doctrine, it has been used in a training program at NATO’s Defense College for senior military officers. This map, as well as other similar maps, has most probably been used at the National War Academy as well as in military planning circles.

Iran is the thumb sticking into this pie.

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So Israel, which has no oil is a major oil player? And Iran, China and Russia stand in the way of this. While the declining Anglo-American oil multinationals are lined up to take their percentages of the oil flow.

Sorry. Lt.Col Ralph Peters was a crackpot neocon who supported the invasion of Iraq and then denied that a civil war was unfolding when most others were reporting on it. You really can't take Peters seriously.

Iran borders the Caspian oil fields to her north and has the longest coast line of all along the Strait of Hormuz. Iran has developed relations with the land locked Islamic Republics to Her East, and has just completed a deal to build a pipeline across Afghanistan. Additionally, she has a major oil off-loading port on her southern coast on the Arabian Sea next to Pakistan. Iran has hugely advantageous geopolitical positioning and any pipe dream that Israel will provide transport westward for ME oil is an illusion in Peter's head. He writes novels, yanno. Fiction, that is. Don't buy this book; wait for the movie. it will probably be more amusing.

http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/geography-iranian-power-robert-d-kaplan

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Hahahahahahahahaha... Utter rubbish. And Vincent is for the first time in my recent memory, right.

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But you are correct in that Iran's eastward activities in terms of trade, oil pipelines, and transportation infrastructure are a direct challenge to the oil hegemony. If nuclear weapons were not an excuse, another would certainly be manufactured.

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Hahahahahahahahaha... Utter rubbish. And Vincent is for the first time in my recent memory, right.

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But you are correct in that Iran's eastward activities in terms of trade, oil pipelines, and transportation infrastructure are a direct challenge to the oil hegemony. If nuclear weapons were not an excuse, another would certainly be manufactured.

OTOH, don't you think the leverage Iran has in the ME will be off-set by the development of shale oil and gas in Canada and the US plus oil fields in Mexico and Brazil? Additionally, the melting ice in the Artctic will lead to new explorations that will relieve dependency on the ME. I think, but who knows. I suspect that the focus on the ME will eventually be a focus on yesterday's game board.

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They're a signatory, but they are FAR from "in good standing".

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Bless us Brits eh?

Of course, international law doesn't apply to Israel, so it's a pretty moot point.