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Well, the Soviets had no choice but to ally with Germany till they were ready to war.   We rebuffed their overtures (US and UK).

Sometimes everybody marries the devil.

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I think our propping up Reza Pahlavi and throwing WMD at Iraq for making war on Iran under St. Wrinklemeat is probably what has given them a case of ass at us moreso than the war years.

I don't speak for what the UK has done to deserve their case of the ass, or how big it is.

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Regarding Chamberlin and appeasement -

The English had to play the hand they were dealt, and at the time there wasn't much that England or the rest of the Europeans could do besides what they did, being caught on one foot. Remember the Soviets were the German allies at the time,

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Would you care to tell us how the soviet union became the ally of germany?

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Would you care to tell us how the soviet union became the ally of germany?

No.

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Regarding Chamberlin and appeasement -

The English had to play the hand they were dealt, and at the time there wasn't much that England or the rest of the Europeans could do besides what they did, being caught on one foot. Remember the Soviets were the German allies at the time,

Would you care to tell us how the soviet union became the ally of germany?

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Is that because you do not know or is it because the soviet union was not the ally of germany?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

The Second World War officially began on September 1, 1939, with the German invasion of Poland. Britain and France declared war on the Nazi Third Reich on September 3, 1939. Seven days later, on September 10, 1939, the Parliament of Canada likewise declared war on Germany, the country's first independent declaration of war and the beginning of Canada's participation in the largest combined national effort in its history. By war's end, over 1 million citizens would serve in military uniform, and Canada would possess the fourth-largest air force and third-largest naval surface fleet in the world.
While the response to war was initially intended to be limited, resources were mobilized quickly. The Convoy HX-1 departed Halifax just six days after the nation declared war, escorted by HMCS St. Laurent and HMCS Saguenay. The 1st Canadian Infantry Division arrived in Britain on January 1, 1940. By June 13, 1940, the 1st Battalion of The Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment was deployed to France in an attempt to secure the southern flank of the British Expeditionary Force in Belgium. By the time the battalion arrived, the British and allies were cut off at Dunkirk, Paris had fallen, and after penetrating 200 km inland, the battalion returned to Brest and then to Britain.

The frustrated Canadian Army fought no significant engagement in the European theatre of operations until the invasion of Sicily in the summer of 1943. With the Sicily Campaign, the Canadians had the opportunity to enter combat and later were among the first to enter Rome.

Canada was the only country of the Americas to be actively involved in the war until the Attack on Pearl Harbor.

Canadian support for the war was mobilized through a propaganda campaign, including If Day, a staged 'Nazi' invasion of Winnipeg which generated more than $3 million in war bonds.

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ORIGINAL: YN
That Germany was able to beat the whole of Europe and its colonies into submission is astounding

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ORIGINAL: geilematz
especially after some other head of a government rallied his government to present lies to the United Nations one after the other for hours, broadcast for hours over the globe, to justify his personal war ...

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Regarding Chamberlin and appeasement -

The English had to play the hand they were dealt, and at the time there wasn't much that England or the rest of the Europeans could do besides what they did, being caught on one foot. Remember the Soviets were the German allies at the time,

Would you care to tell us how the soviet union became the ally of germany?

Treaty of Non-Aggression between Germany and the Soviet Union signed on 23 August 1939.

In addition to stipulations of non-aggression, the treaty included a secret protocol dividing Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland into German and Soviet spheres of influence, anticipating potential "territorial and political rearrangements" of these countries. Thereafter, Germany and the Soviet Union invaded, on September 1 and 17 respectively, their respective sides of Poland, dividing the country between them. Part of southeastern (Karelia) and Salla region Finland was annexed by the Soviet Union after the Winter War. This was followed by Soviet annexations of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina and the Hertza region.

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ORIGINAL: geilematz
especially after some other head of a government rallied his government to present lies to the United Nations one after the other for hours, broadcast for hours over the globe, to justify his personal war ...

Careful about calling the PM of Iran a liar there's another poster here that has Justin Bieber-like posters of that Nuke-Mad psycho on the walls back home.

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That Germany was able to beat the whole of Europe and its colonies into submission is astounding

It didn't.
For somebody with an anti American bent, you seem to be buying a bit too heavily into that "we saved Europe from Hitler singlehanded" bullshit.
Russia is Europe. Britain is Europe. Italy is Europe. Don't talk such drivel.

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Is that because you do not know or is it because the soviet union was not the ally of germany?

It is because

1. You should have learned about it in school;

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That Germany was able to beat the whole of Europe and its colonies into submission is astounding

It didn't.
For somebody with an anti American bent, you seem to be buying a bit too heavily into that "we saved Europe from Hitler singlehanded" bullshit.
Russia is Europe. Britain is Europe. Italy is Europe. Don't talk such drivel.

The Russians saved the collective European hides, and this only because the Germans decided that since they have beaten the rest of Europe, they might have similar luck to their east.

If this had not occurred, Iran would be a national socialist Islamic republic much like it is today, save a fair bit higher on the worlds hierarchy.

But it is interesting that English now see the Russians as their European brothers, the Russians surely must view the English and the EU in a similar light.