Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal"


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal" Page: <<   < prev  3 4 5 6 [7]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal" - 10/30/2012 3:37:31 PM   
YN


Posts: 699
Status: offline
Study the political positions of Lieberman contingent regarding both domestic and foreign policy and compare it to Netanyahu's attempts to do things like end the military exception and the state welfare dole for the ultra-orthodox (among other things Lieberman opposed) you will find that some heavy trading has certainly been performed to cement this alliance.

Other articles and reports show a less optimistic chance of the new party taking the election in quite the manner claimed in the WSJ.

(in reply to vincentML)
Profile   Post #: 121
RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal" - 10/30/2012 5:33:56 PM   
tweakabelle


Posts: 7522
Joined: 10/16/2007
From: Sydney Australia
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: FMRFGOPGAL

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

quote:

I was just trashing youyr phoney assertions that there wasn't any reason to believe they're out of compliance.


False. Your initial claim, which I disputed and called on you to substantiate was "Iran should be strung up for threarening[sic] the nuclear proliferation treaty." (post #13)

Whatever your intentions, your manifest failure to back up this wild assertion with any evidence only succeeded in trashing your own credibility. Just in case there was any doubt about your intentions, you repeat your error:
quote:

It must be frustrating having to continually be an apologist for a group of states that use Hezbollah, Hamas The Taliban and Al Qaeda
as their primary ambassadors.

If you read any of my posts, you will be familiar with the contempt I repeatedly express for all theocratic movements, including those so influential in your own country - the Religious Right. Again, the only thing trashed here is the cred of someone who would make such a nonsensical claim. It appears you are intent on turning self sabotage into a lifestyle. Good luck with that.



Oh Bullshit.

You say whatever keeps you specious argument afloat for one more desperate post to push your agenda. The fact is, there's blame enough on both sides.
   And you continued practice of denying that there aren't unsolicited terror attacks planned and executed by Palestinian extremists, is simply parodying intelligent discourse.
  So be clear on this point. If you dish out bullshit, be prepared to be treated like someone doing so.


You are determined to trash your credibility aren't you? If you can find any evidence to support your claim that I "continually deny" Palestinian attacks, I'll publicly urge everyone to support Likud. So produce evidence to back up your claims. Of course you won't find any evidence - there is none. It doesn't exist. Just another vapid stupid utterly false personal attack.

What is it with apologists for Israel and Zionism? Amongst those posting here on CM there is a consistent pattern of dissembling, lies, wild and often vicious personal attacks instead of facts and civilised argument. Even though you have twice been shown to be talking through your hat in the above exchange of posts, you insist on repeating the error and making a fool of yourself again.

If it so easy to demonstrate that your claims are false, on what basis do you expect people to believe anything you say? If your arguments in defence of Israel are devoid of facts and consist solely of falsehoods and personal attacks, what does this say about your cause? It tells us your cause is indefensible by fact, or civilised rational argument. If that is your point, who am I to disagree with you?

< Message edited by tweakabelle -- 10/30/2012 5:39:51 PM >


_____________________________



(in reply to FMRFGOPGAL)
Profile   Post #: 122
RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal" - 10/30/2012 5:38:48 PM   
VideoAdminGamma


Posts: 2233
Status: offline
Fast reply

That will be enough of the off topic comments about other members. Stay with the subject material or do not post, willingly or not the choice is yours.

Thank you for making CollarMe a better place,
Gamma

_____________________________

"The administration has the authority to handle situations in whatever manner they feel to be in the best interests of the forum, at that moment, in response to that event. "

http://www.collarchat.com/m_72/tm.htm

(in reply to tweakabelle)
Profile   Post #: 123
RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal" - 10/30/2012 5:41:03 PM   
Politesub53


Posts: 14862
Joined: 5/7/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: YN

What do you think would have happened if the Germans had not attacked Russia, and instead consolidated their conquests and continued the "Battle of Britain?"

And why is this important in discussing government's current conduct regarding Iran?





Why do you think Germany decided against invading England ? Two clues for you. The Royal Airforce and The Royal Navy.

Your reasoning for how this affects current thinking on Iran would be welcome.

(in reply to YN)
Profile   Post #: 124
RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal" - 10/30/2012 5:45:39 PM   
Shoedaddy


Posts: 12
Joined: 8/7/2012
Status: offline
U.N. - "U.S. Strike On Afghanistan & Iraq Illegal"

(in reply to Politesub53)
Profile   Post #: 125
RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal" - 10/30/2012 5:51:24 PM   
Politesub53


Posts: 14862
Joined: 5/7/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Shoedaddy

U.N. - "U.S. Strike On Afghanistan & Iraq Illegal"



Any chance of a link........ I agree about Iraq but not Afghanistan.

(in reply to Shoedaddy)
Profile   Post #: 126
RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal" - 10/30/2012 8:38:27 PM   
vincentML


Posts: 9980
Joined: 10/31/2009
Status: offline
quote:

The fact is, there's blame enough on both sides.

True only if you close your eyes to the occupation and control of Palestinian land by the subsidized settlements and the armoured vehicles of the IDF. Otherwise, the blame is grossly asymmetrical. But hell, don't let the inconvenient facts on the ground get in the way of your apology for Israel's oppression of the Palestinian people.

(in reply to FMRFGOPGAL)
Profile   Post #: 127
RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal" - 10/30/2012 9:24:23 PM   
YN


Posts: 699
Status: offline
The fruits of the new Israeli political party are appearing -

quote:

Iran has drawn back from its ambitions to build a nuclear weapon, Israel's defense minister was quoted as saying on Tuesday, while warning that his country may still have to decide next year whether to launch a military strike against it.


quote:

Defense Minister Ehud Barak told Britain's Daily Telegraph newspaper that an immediate crisis was avoided when Iran chose to use more than a third of its medium-enriched uranium for civilian purposes earlier this year.

He told the paper that the decision "allows contemplating delaying the moment of truth by eight to ten months".

"There could be at least three explanations. One is the public discourse about a possible Israeli or American operation deterred them from trying to come closer," he said.

"It could probably be a diplomatic gambit that they have launched in order to avoid this issue culminating before the American election, just to gain some time. It could be a way of telling the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) 'oh we comply with our commitments'."

Analysts say Iran already has enough low-enriched uranium for several nuclear bombs if it were refined to a high degree, but may still be a few years away from being able to assemble a missile if it decided to go down that path.


quote:

He said Israel reserved the right to act alone.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/30/us-iran-israel-idUSBRE89T1GT20121030

A nice flip-flop.

Edited to include the Telegraph interview itself - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9643647/Israel-says-Iran-has-pulled-back-from-the-brink-of-nuclear-weapon-for-now.html

< Message edited by YN -- 10/30/2012 10:12:07 PM >

(in reply to vincentML)
Profile   Post #: 128
RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal" - 10/31/2012 12:08:51 AM   
tweakabelle


Posts: 7522
Joined: 10/16/2007
From: Sydney Australia
Status: offline
Any decision to tone down the belligerence by the Israelis is to be welcomed. However, I find it odd that Barak chose not to consider the fact that the Iranian decision to use their stockpile for peaceful purposes is consistent with every public statement by every Iranian official on this issue. Unless one chooses to ascribe malicious motives to the Iranians, this seems the best explanation for Iran's decision.

Unfortunately, Barak signalled very clearly that he doesn't believe that it is the end of the matter:
.
[Barak] added: “Basically, it’s about the question of when they come into this zone of immunity, where no Israeli surgical attack, probably somewhat later not even an American surgical attack, can delay them significantly. That’s the issue that bothers us.” As for when Iran will reach the “zone of immunity”, depriving Israel of its military option, Mr Barak forecast this would probably happen “next spring or early summer”.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9643647/Israel-says-Iran-has-pulled-back-from-the-brink-of-nuclear-weapon-for-now.html

The goalposts shift again. It is no longer about whether Iran will be a nuclear-armed power or not. It is no longer about whether Iran possesses the "capability" to go nuclear if it so chose or not. It is now about whether Iran can construct a "zone of immunity", that is create a situation where its nuclear facilities are immune to Israeli attacks, irrespective of whatever tasks those facilities are engaged in. Or to put it even more bluntly, Barak is saying it's about Israel retaining the capacity to inflict serious damage to Iranian facilities, that Iran cannot be allowed to make its nuclear facilities safe.

So, even though Barak appears to be signalling a retreat, he has actually lowered the threshold at which Israel considers itself entitled to launch a military attack. While the prospects of peace in the immediate future are strengthened, the probability of a military attack next year may have increased.

< Message edited by tweakabelle -- 10/31/2012 12:10:52 AM >


_____________________________



(in reply to YN)
Profile   Post #: 129
RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal" - 10/31/2012 4:56:59 AM   
PeonForHer


Posts: 19612
Joined: 9/27/2008
Status: offline
"Also, Germany had taken the channel islands, and was working on a tunnels rather than using landing craft at all. "

Really? I never heard of that one. Excellent!

PS: Another reason for Germany's failure to take Britain was its incompetent leadership.

_____________________________

http://www.domme-chronicles.com


(in reply to Moonhead)
Profile   Post #: 130
RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal" - 10/31/2012 5:48:22 AM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline
The leadership didn't help, no. Abandoning the battle of Britain to invade Russia was a case in point, as a matter of fact...

_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to PeonForHer)
Profile   Post #: 131
RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal" - 10/31/2012 7:24:00 AM   
PeonForHer


Posts: 19612
Joined: 9/27/2008
Status: offline
Mostly, though the Germans lost because of myself. In Combat Flight Simulator 3 I've knocked out most of the Luftwaffe in my Spitfire (and even single-handedly destroyed the Reichstag one night when I was particularly bored).

_____________________________

http://www.domme-chronicles.com


(in reply to Moonhead)
Profile   Post #: 132
RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal" - 10/31/2012 7:26:41 AM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline
Dropped a fag from the bloody harrier into the hay roof did you?

Reichskanzler Hermann Goering

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to PeonForHer)
Profile   Post #: 133
RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal" - 10/31/2012 7:43:55 AM   
PeonForHer


Posts: 19612
Joined: 9/27/2008
Status: offline
No, an exploding top hat.

_____________________________

http://www.domme-chronicles.com


(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 134
RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal" - 10/31/2012 7:44:55 AM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline
Well, Sir Tophamhat, I never saw that coming.


Thomas the tank engine and Ringo Starr. 

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to PeonForHer)
Profile   Post #: 135
Page:   <<   < prev  3 4 5 6 [7]
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: UK Govt: Iran strike "illegal" Page: <<   < prev  3 4 5 6 [7]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.078