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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/3/2012 6:24:13 PM   
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I'm in NWPA and my city, as well the agency where I work, both had brought out their "disaster preparedness" books. The Mental Health Association stayed open all night last Monday, something they usually do to provide "warming" for the homeless when temperatures dip far below freezing. County offices, as well as my agency, were closed 1/2 Monday and all day Tuesday. Many districts in my area closed the schools (again, something not usually done, even when we have lake effect snows).

But Sandy broke up in central PA, didn't affect us as badly as predicted. Today was though the first day in a week we've had no rain; rain is in the forecast for the next several days, however.

City and county officials are now worried that people will take the next severe weather warning far less seriously than they took this one. But all one has to do is look at the power outages and flooding that occurred in Cleveland (just 1 hr. to the west) to see how lucky we were this time.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/3/2012 10:18:37 PM   
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One thing that's worth remembering about stockpiling petrol, is that it can be downright dangerous to have a load of it in the house: some stupid type set herself on fire decanting petrol from a drum into a jerrycan in a kitchen with a lit aga during the last fit of media hysteria inspired panic buying over here...

Which raises the question of whether having a home generator is a useful strategy (unless it is needed to assure power for a medical device) Relatives in Sandy's path tell me they had to refill their petrol supplies several times for their generators, and that is what contributed to the long lines at the fill-up stations. So, are they really necessary?


Yes, that's the weak link in having a generator that runs on gas. You can't store gas indefinitely and you have to stock up enough before a big storm because you could be stuck at home and/or be unable to buy any. Another option (more expensive) is a propane generator. You can store a lot more propane (100/500/1000 gallons) and they run more quietly.


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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 8:28:15 AM   
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If I lived on the coast I'm sure I would've gotten more, but I don't really know how much water you need for 2 weeks.

The rule of thumb is one gallon of water per person per day.


That's for drinking water, but if you had to flush toilets and wash basic dishes (assuming you had gas for cooking), my experience is that 5 gallons per person is what you need. It takes 2-3 gallons of water to flush a toilet.


So for 2 weeks we'd have needed 210 gallons of water. Wow. No wonder people weren't prepared - there's no way we could have stockpiled that much, even with filling the bathtub.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 8:31:03 AM   
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We're 30 miles inland and still got pummelled.


I hope you're okay! We're more like 100 miles inland, and it was basically a long nasty thunderstorm out here. Some friends had power outages for a day or two, and the sign on our business got blown off (fortunately it landed on the roof unharmed), but that's about it.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 9:33:05 AM   
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If I lived on the coast I'm sure I would've gotten more, but I don't really know how much water you need for 2 weeks.

The rule of thumb is one gallon of water per person per day.


That's for drinking water, but if you had to flush toilets and wash basic dishes (assuming you had gas for cooking), my experience is that 5 gallons per person is what you need. It takes 2-3 gallons of water to flush a toilet.


So for 2 weeks we'd have needed 210 gallons of water. Wow. No wonder people weren't prepared - there's no way we could have stockpiled that much, even with filling the bathtub.

On that note, it's well worth having a non flushing chemical toilet to hand if you're preparing a kit for this sort of disaster.


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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 12:14:38 PM   
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If I lived on the coast I'm sure I would've gotten more, but I don't really know how much water you need for 2 weeks.

The rule of thumb is one gallon of water per person per day.


That's for drinking water, but if you had to flush toilets and wash basic dishes (assuming you had gas for cooking), my experience is that 5 gallons per person is what you need. It takes 2-3 gallons of water to flush a toilet.


So for 2 weeks we'd have needed 210 gallons of water. Wow. No wonder people weren't prepared - there's no way we could have stockpiled that much, even with filling the bathtub.


Indeed. I had a large bathtub filled for washing/toilets and had a pee/no flush rule in place, but we did go through enough (1/2 the tub) in 3 days that I refilled at the firehouse. Think about the city apartment dweller (walkup) with no bathtub. Yikes.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 12:38:45 PM   
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The blame lies with the fact that no one can "prepare" for devastation of this magnitude.  I'm really getting more and more disgusted with the idea that people should have "prepared" for this.

Why are people waiting on line for gas?
Because there's a gas shortage.

Why didn't people prepare before the storm?
They DID prepare.  You can't "stock up" on gas.  You can fill your tank, maybe a few containers, and that's it.

Why are they using gas when they know there's a shortage?
Because they have no choice.  There's STILL over a million people without power, and if they're running a generator, they need about five gallons of gas a day.  Or maybe they have a job.  The only way for them to get to their job is to drive.

Why can't they take public transportation?
In many places there is no public transportation.  In many places public transportation has been shut down too.

Unless you've been out here to see the damage yourself, you can't imagine what these people are going through.  So fill up on a few facts before you start blaming people for their own misfortune.

I think you hit many nails on the head.
There is a certain amount you can do, but you can't really prepare for EVERYTHING that can happen to you.

I think being "prepared" often means, WHAT will you do if/when all the stuff you prepared for, does not work or is not enough?

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 12:40:44 PM   
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I think being "prepared" often means, WHAT will you do if/when all the stuff you prepared for, does not work or is not enough?

Shooting your neighbour might not help in the longterm, but it's probably a great relief if you're feeling stressed?

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 1:13:30 PM   
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I think you hit many nails on the head.
There is a certain amount you can do, but you can't really prepare for EVERYTHING that can happen to you.

I think being "prepared" often means, WHAT will you do if/when all the stuff you prepared for, does not work or is not enough?

Hi Marini
I have to say I can't agree with the indignity expressed by L&M, the fella to whom you replied. I started this thread because I did not understand why so many cars were in line for petrol [for our British cousins:)] two days after the storm. From reading replies here and talking to family in Jersey I have come to understand that the long waits are not for transportation petrol but for generator fuel. I did not realize home generators had become such an important tool for storm survival. In retrospect, with all those long lines as evidence, and knowing from previous storms that service stations are unable to pump fuel due to loss of electricity, it seems that the home generator is a hopeless model for storm survival.

Repeating what others have said, you can't store any sufficient quantity of gasoline. It should not have been a surprise that people would end up in line time and again waiting hours for fuel. I think it was Hill who suggested that the generators should be run only for a few hours a day to preserve food in the fridge/freezer. That sounds like a plan. Perhaps a better plan would be to jettison non-preservatives before the storm arrives and stock up on dry foods. I wonder how many of these folks waiting in line squandered there generator power on television and lighting as well as refrigeration. Some may argue this point but if my guess is right the problem (for those in long lines to replenish their generator fuel) is a failure to discern the line where one gives up unnecessary creature comforts and bows to the primal need for survival. I bet people in the city projects knew the difference right well because they had no choice.

I don't buy the argument that these folks were in line for gas because they had no choice. There are always choices.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 1:20:35 PM   
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From reading replies here and talking to family in Jersey I have come to understand that the long waits are not for transportation petrol but for generator fuel. I did not realize home generators had become such an important tool for storm survival. In retrospect, with all those long lines as evidence, and knowing from previous storms that service stations are unable to pump fuel due to loss of electricity, it seems that the home generator is a hopeless model for storm survival.

Repeating what others have said, you can't store any sufficient quantity of gasoline. It should not have been a surprise that people would end up in line time and again waiting hours for fuel. I think it was Hill who suggested that the generators should be run only for a few hours a day to preserve food in the fridge/freezer. That sounds like a plan. Perhaps a better plan would be to jettison non-preservatives before the storm arrives and stock up on dry foods. I wonder how many of these folks waiting in line squandered there generator power on television and lighting as well as refrigeration. Some may argue this point but if my guess is right the problem (for those in long lines to replenish their generator fuel) is a failure to discern the line where one gives up unnecessary creature comforts and bows to the primal need for survival. I bet people in the city projects knew the difference right well because they had no choice.

I don't buy the argument that these folks were in line for gas because they had no choice. There are always choices.


Hi vincent,
From what I understand, most small generators need at least 3-5 gallons of gas to run about 24 hours.

I would not even consider owning a generator unless I had at least 10-20 gallons of gas, stored up to use with the generator.

Is it safe to store large quantities of gas in residential area's?

I agree most people who use generators should only use them sparingly and for short periods of time.

I have more questions than answers, but I think this thread is thought provoking and might help many of us to think and prepare way in advance.

I personally, plan on getting some mre's or something similar {For back-up non-perishable food source ONLY}, that I can stock up on, and that last for years.
I hope to never use them, but they are good to have on hand.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 1:29:15 PM   
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Why have so many people lost what are grandparents or great grandparents have taught us....prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Granted a major storm is hard to prepare for but there was ample warning. I currently live in the southeast and every cable news station talked about this storm and they talked about the worst case scenario. This included the scenario of high tide, full moon and 20-30 ft waves. This was talked about 3 days atleast before Sandy hit. So if people decided to prepare for the least and hope the worst don't happen than the chaos you have now is what happens when you gamble. I for one always prepare for the worst and maintain it. I also pay attention to what's happening in the world through varies methods. Maybe folks are just a little to busy with life activities to do so but they dang sure cant blame nobody.
Now as far as what Midwest folks do when they prepare for tornado season. Most truly prepared people have a well built shelter or safe room in basement. As far as supplies goes...a 72 hr kit should always be on hand along with a bug-out bag. I also have a water/fire safe to keep all my documents in. I keep a little more supplies on hand...6 months worth. I also have supplies in ground too. It doesn't have to cost a bunch of money or take up a lot of room to do this. City people can easily grow some vegetables and can them to start building up some food storage in a small planters. If. You don't have much room in your apartment than sacrifice something to make room. Take responsibility to atleast provide for yourself atleast a week. Pay attention to things going on and learn the old saying...prepare for the worst and hope for the best. It's not hard.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 5:23:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		In all fairness we have a hurricane that has gone through areas representing about 60 million people. For every person who did not prepare properly, you had many who did. I think to have any expectation after a storm of this level that after a week things would just be running smoothly again is ridiculous. No amount of disaster preparedness is going to keep 100% of the population in the area out of dire circumstances. People should be marveling at how many people are actually managing. I know people who still don't have power back on who are managing just fine. And they are not the only ones. For every person in line for gas, there are many, many more who are actually managing. AND, there are many, many more who are in far worse situations as this storm has left many homeless and carless. And trust me, those people are not lined up for gas.

In addition, part of the issue with the gasoline has to do with the distribution system. We receive our gasoline from tankers that stop at the port of New York. Guess what, in the immediate aftermath of the storm the port can't receive tankers. Some of this is pure logistics, and not necessarily poor planning.

As one of the people who planned well, and most of my family and friends are in the same category, I resent the notion that most of us didn't plan ahead. Actually most of us did.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 5:38:28 PM   
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I think to have any expectation after a storm of this level that after a week things would just be running smoothly again is ridiculous. No amount of disaster preparedness is going to keep 100% of the population in the area out of dire circumstances.

I posted the OP just three days after the storm hit the Jersey Shore. Not one week. And nowhere did I assert an expectation for 100% preparation. Your response here is ridiculous.

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As one of the people who planned well, and most of my family and friends are in the same category, I resent the notion that most of us didn't plan ahead. Actually most of us did.

That 'notion' is nowhere expressed in this thread. Your righteous indignation is absurd. You are talking to your own hand, I fear.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 5:44:17 PM   
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I think to have any expectation after a storm of this level that after a week things would just be running smoothly again is ridiculous. No amount of disaster preparedness is going to keep 100% of the population in the area out of dire circumstances.

I posted the OP just three days after the storm hit the Jersey Shore. Not one week. And no where did I assert an expectation for 100% preparation.

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As one of the people who planned well, and most of my family and friends are in the same category, I resent the notion that most of us didn't plan ahead. Actually most of us did.

That 'notion' is nowhere expressed in this thread. Your righteous indignation is absurd. You are talking to your own hand, I fear.


I read your original post quite differently, and I encourage you to go back and read what you wrote. Did you not state seeing people in dire circumstances raises the question of individual responsibility? Did you not state, "Was the lack of individual preparedness because they haven't experienced storms in a long time in NJ/NY/CT? .... Are they just oblivious? .... What do you think? What's your experience?

I've shared my thoughts and experiences as you asked.

And the way you wrote the OP was certainly a blanket statement - "Are they just oblivious" - give me a break. No we are not just oblivious.

If you didn't mean your OP to sound the way it did, perhaps you shouldn't have written it the way you did. Quite frankly, you are the one who sounds oblivious.



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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 7:20:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I honestly have a limited amount of sympathy for the folks whose homes were wiped away, TWO BLOCKS FROM THE ATLANTIC OCEAN ! These folks are either stupid or are counting on the rest of us suckers to bail them out.

Yeah, I live on a piece of lake front property here in New Hampshire. And the lake is formed by a dam at the end of the lake. When I bought the house, I was at least smart enough to make sure my house was above the damn. It's really simple: MOVE TO HIGHER GROUND. You don't have these problems.

As a kid, I lived on south shore of Long Island, in and around NYC, and down on the New Jersey shore, not far north of Atlantic City. I learned a little bit about bad weather preparedness.

Now, I live in New Hampshire where the electrical grid is so crappy, we're out of power all the time. Some kid accidentally drops his electric toothbrush in the toilet, and we're without power for a week. Hurricane Bob, I went 13 days without electric. December 2008 ice storm, I went 10 days without power. A few storms in between were 4, 5 or 6 days without electric. One year ago over Halloween, we had a freak 3 foot snow fall. Another week without power. So you could say, "I'M USE TO IT."

Well, I'm actually so use to it, if I lose power, if the entire state loses power, if all of New England loses power, it just doesn't matter to me. Certainly during daylight hours, I live off-grid, selling about half my solar generated power back to the electric company. Obviously, at night I am buying power back, which is a problem when the grid isn't live. But I actually have two backup generators, one gasoline, the other LP. I've got a fuel supply enough to run one of the generators 24/7 for six months. The gasoline supply is "stabilized" and rotated. I've got at least a two year supply of firewood in a wood shed, and I've got a lifetime supply of wood uncut, right here on my own property. I could go one hell of a long time, keeping my home, generators and vehicles completely powered, even if the whole damn world shut down.

Food ? Not a problem. Most of us don't realize it, but the LDS Church (the Mormons) are the foremost authorities on food storage. Many years ago, the US Army even consulted with the LDS Church on how to store food to make sure the US military was properly fed even in the event of all out war. The LDS Church doesn't "promote" their expertise to the entire world, but their know-how is readily available online. Some of these "Survivalist" websites feature the ramblings of "End of World" types, but some of the council they offer on food storage and long-term preparedness is not all foolishness. I've got enough food .... very high quality food ..... there are NO cans of Spam, Deviled Ham or canned beans in my inventory ..... to last four adults for six months. You do the math, that's two adults for a year and one adult for two years. And some portions of my food inventory is rotated. Trust me, I will eat very well while everyone else is starving.

Now some wise-acre will undoubtedly ask, "What happens if you get flooded ?" or "What happens if your house burns down ?"

First, I'm on high ground. I will NOT get flooded. I do not have flood insurance. I don't have it because where I live, it's a waste of money. I'm on high ground. Get it ?

Second, It'll take more than my house burning to the ground before I'll starve. I could theoretically shelter on another small building I have on the property and I have building materials sufficient to build another shelter if need be. Food and water is not stored in my home alone.

Now, my sort of preparedness didn't happen overnight. Many years ago, I sort of "started taking notes" about all the things in society that start going wrong when "the lights go out," as an example. And quietly, and on a budget, I started addressing all those problems, one by one. And when you're prepared to make a five year project out of this, you can buy everything ON SALE. I'm so choosey as to what I buy and when, an "ordinary sale price" isn't good enough for me. I only buy stuff when they're "virtually giving it away."

Two other things .....

If you're really considering "longer term independence" you need to consider waste disposal. This is extremely important. But it's reasonably easy to deal with. Learn to compost.

And lastly, consider that when and if the "shit really hits the fan" in this country, or in your region, etc., you're going to find that there are "Two Classes of People." There will be "the Have's" and "the Have Not's." If you're prepared, I don't need to tell you which class of people you're going to be in. And while they're not making headlines out of it in the news, there has been PLENTY of looting going on in New York and New Jersey. In some areas of NYC, it's "survival of the fittest." Go ahead, Google the words "LOOTING" and "NEW YORK." You'll find more stories than you can read in a day. So you better be prepared to prevent other folks from taking your preparedness from you.

When the "shit really hits the fan" trust me on this, nobody from the government is going to "stop by to make sure you're doing okay." I've been without power more times than I can count, been weathered-in plenty of times, and never once has anyone from the government stopped by to "check on me."

Now I know some will call me extreme, and you're correct. I'm more prepared than 99% of everyone. But you can "Bet your bippy" (as they use to say) you won't be seeing me standing in line with you down at City Hall hoping they'll give you some Instant Mashed Potatoes and a pint of water.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 8:09:49 PM   
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From what I understand, most small generators need at least 3-5 gallons of gas to run about 24 hours.

I would not even consider owning a generator unless I had at least 10-20 gallons of gas, stored up to use with the generator.

Is it safe to store large quantities of gas in residential area's?

I agree most people who use generators should only use them sparingly and for short periods of time.



Based upon the testing I've done on gasoline consumption with portable generators, there are a LOT of variables.

First, the bigger your generator, the more gasoline you'll consume.
Second, the bigger your electrical load, the more gasoline you'll consume.

My experience suggests that .... ON AVERAGE .... if you're feeding any sort of significant load, you need to plan on half a gallon per hour. 24 hours will therefore cost you 12 gallons. That said, you simply do not need to run a generator 24/7.

Regarding gasoline storage, gasoline "spoils." You either need to completely rotate your gasoline supply every three or four months, or you must use "fuel stabilizer" in your gasoline.

Regarding the quantity of gasoline you may store, this volume will vary from city to city, town to town, village to village. Check your local ordinance. Most areas have a limit which is extremely low. My town only allows 8.33 gallons within 60 feet of an occupied dwelling. How they came up with 8.33 gallons, I have no clue. But 8.33 gallons won't get you very far over the long term. In order to be legal .... and in order to sleep at night .... you have to store at least 60 feet away from the dwelling, then you can have pretty much all you want. But remember, it is absolutely imperative that you "stabilize" and "rotate." Otherwise, when you need it most, your gasoline will be worthless.

Now something you might want to consider is a generator that runs on LP (Liquid Propane). LP stores very well. It stores permanently to the best of my knowledge. An LP generator clearly costs more money, but you don't have to worry about fuel storage problem. You can even put a major big LP tank right in your basement in most places.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 8:18:35 PM   
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So for 2 weeks we'd have needed 210 gallons of water. Wow. No wonder people weren't prepared - there's no way we could have stockpiled that much, even with filling the bathtub.


In many areas it isn't hard being completely prepared. In my area, 100% of everyone is on a private well. If you have a backup generator, you can power your well pump. Me, in addition, I had a hand pump installed. At my house, you could get 210 gallons of water PER DAY if you want to.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 8:59:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Congratulations, but I assume you realize that, say, the tens of millions of people who live in apartment buildings cannot prepare in this manner?

Or is your deeper point that you just don't give a fuck about them?

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Well, I'm actually so use to it, if I lose power, if the entire state loses power, if all of New England loses power, it just doesn't matter to me. Certainly during daylight hours, I live off-grid, selling about half my solar generated power back to the electric company. Obviously, at night I am buying power back, which is a problem when the grid isn't live. But I actually have two backup generators, one gasoline, the other LP. I've got a fuel supply enough to run one of the generators 24/7 for six months. The gasoline supply is "stabilized" and rotated. I've got at least a two year supply of firewood in a wood shed, and I've got a lifetime supply of wood uncut, right here on my own property. I could go one hell of a long time, keeping my home, generators and vehicles completely powered, even if the whole damn world shut down.


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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 9:11:15 PM   
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In my area, 100% of everyone is on a private well. If you have a backup generator, you can power your well pump. Me, in addition, I had a hand pump installed. At my house, you could get 210 gallons of water PER DAY if you want to.

From my experience, I dont trust wells.. (I dont trust city water either but i trust it more than well water).. so much stuff, toxins, animal fecal matter, etc can get into well water.. I think thats part of the controversy over fracking, factory farms, pesticides, etc.. I grew up on a farm in the middle of no where and there was apparently bacteria or something that the water needed to be treated for..

..just outta curiousity, do you get your well water tested regularly and if so, how often and what does it get tested for? do you treat or filter your water in any way?

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/4/2012 9:13:39 PM   
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Many years ago, the US Army even consulted with the LDS Church on how to store food to make sure the US military was properly fed even in the event of all out war. The LDS Church doesn't "promote" their expertise to the entire world, but their know-how is readily available online. Some of these "Survivalist" websites feature the ramblings of "End of World" types, but some of the council they offer on food storage and long-term preparedness is not all foolishness.


PLEASE Post some links... Before Election Day.
Thanks in advance.

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