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DomYngBlk -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 3:18:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I'd imagine most of teh eeeevil liberal Democrats think that the reason the healthcare reforms are a fucking joke is because the Kenyan nobbled them and removed the single payer provision in the vain hope that the Republicans would vote for the reforms if they were crap. Hopefully he'll know better if he's re-elected. Maybe not having to spend his second four years fawning and grovelling like a loved up Steppin' Fetchit in a gimp costume in the hope of getting a second term might give him the scope to grow a pair of balls and a spine and deal with the Republicans in the manner they've earned since 2009. I'm not holding my breath waiting for that, though. I'd like him to appeal to the American people rather than either party. I would spend the time, and I mean a lot of time, explaining the new healthcare system and its benefits. Soothing the fears of small businesses and the citizenry over higher taxes and healthcare costs. Then I would make guarantees to the public that as problems arise with the plan changes will be swift and bipartisan. Let people know that after a reasonable time the program does not work then it can be scrapped and a bipartisan committee can draft a new plan if necessary. Convince the people and the politicians will have to fall in line or lose their seats. Butch People on the right will never try understand the new health care law. Because they don't want to understand it. If you read reactions to the establishment of Social Security those weren't much different.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 5:37:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: Ultimately, this means a portion of the population will always lack the necessary empathy to support things like social programs. Sad, but true The above statement may very well be true....but I don't think the political differences between democrats and republicans is a measure of empathy. I think republicans may on the whole believe in private charities and churches rather then government tax aid... At least in all bit the most extreme handicaps. Where many liberal democrats think it is the governments mandate to care for the needs of every citizen… Both are honorable and workable if different approaches. Some of the most generous and kind people I know are republicans, in their political views anyway, but are the first to offer a helping hand to those in need… Just in a different way then most democrats. Butch Private charity and churches will never be able to provide adequate healthcare to the entire population of the U.S. It is simply not possible. Run the numbers. There have been a lot of studies on charitable giving. Republicans do not support things like AIDS charities, or single mothers with children, etc. If you look at the research on churches, most church donations go towards maintaining church infrastructure and being able to support the actual church or to proselytizing efforts. So while your statement may be accurate on the surface, it does not capture the fact that Republicans only support the things that they want to support. In other words, if you want a society where the downtrodden are not ignored, you have to rely on government. Private charity will simply not get you there. Republicans are not interested in donating to charities that help poor people. This is simply fact. So if we relied solely on private charity, we would have huge issues in this country that could not be addressed adequately. Not to mention all the other things that government and taxes support. Let's take one example that is quite current. FEMA. You really think private charity could possibly do the same thing? Most people, even Republicans, would say no. Ask Governor Christie.

kdsub -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 8:33:52 AM)
quote: People on the right will never try understand the new health care law. Because they don't want to understand it. If you read reactions to the establishment of Social Security those weren't much different. DomYngBlk I could be wrong but I think the Republican Party made a mistake when they believed the American people would blindly follow them in their attempt to discredit the healthcare plan for political purposes. I also believe the biggest mistake of the Democratic party and leadership was in not educating the American public in the benefits of the plan. People just do not have the information to know how the plan will affect them. It is a complicated plan that although compromised here and there for passage, is still a step up from what we have and should be given a chance to see if it works. Instead of hoping or wishing the criticism of the republicans goes away they should have been confronting them with facts. Butch

Lucylastic -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 8:40:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JanahX quote: Don't forget those two Towers that fell...and the 3,000 plus Americans that dies while he read to children.Surely that was his fault ,right ? No of course not - dont be ridiculous. It was obviously Obamas, laughing and yucking it up flying on his way to Vegas. which is bloody hilarious that AFTER vegas, he flew to Colorado, THAT NIGHT conveniently forgotten....but Vegas sounds sinful and more fun.

kdsub -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 8:42:39 AM)
quote: Private charity and churches will never be able to provide adequate healthcare to the entire population of the U.S. Healthcare is not the focus of the Republicans with charity and churches. The Republicans want reform but in a different direction. I am still waiting to here or see what damn direction they want to go... That is their failing and could be downfall. As far as the rest of your post remember we have, over the years, even before the great social revolution of the 60's and 70's managed to take care of our so called downtrodden just fine compared to the rest of the world. Now don’t get me wrong…. I am not posting my thoughts on the direction of a social safety net but the thoughts of those I know. And I am just trying to point out these are not evil uncaring people as you continually try to make them out. Many are just as compassionate and generous as you but in a different way. I personally think it should be the job of our government to provide as may benefits as possible as long as we can afford it... And that includes healthcare and a social safety net. Butch

DomYngBlk -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 9:33:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: People on the right will never try understand the new health care law. Because they don't want to understand it. If you read reactions to the establishment of Social Security those weren't much different. I don't find it anymore complicated than phoning up my insurance agent and/or insurance company for claification on my current policy... DomYngBlk I could be wrong but I think the Republican Party made a mistake when they believed the American people would blindly follow them in their attempt to discredit the healthcare plan for political purposes. I also believe the biggest mistake of the Democratic party and leadership was in not educating the American public in the benefits of the plan. People just do not have the information to know how the plan will affect them. It is a complicated plan that although compromised here and there for passage, is still a step up from what we have and should be given a chance to see if it works. Instead of hoping or wishing the criticism of the republicans goes away they should have been confronting them with facts. Butch

truckinslave -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 11:26:37 AM)
I suppose it's always easy to have a conscience with money stolen from others. Like, say, Joe Biden and Obamao. They're all too happy to care for you with my money. OTOH, have you checked out Romney's voluntarycharitable contributions?

Yachtie -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 11:33:11 AM)
fr It slowly begins - Several restaurants, hotels and retailers have started or are preparing to limit schedules of hourly workers to below 30 hours a week. That is the threshold at which large employers in 2014 would have to offer workers a minimum level of insurance or pay a penalty starting at $2,000 for each worker. The shift is one of the first significant steps by employers to avoid requirements under the health-care law, and whether the trend continues hinges on Tuesday's election results. Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney has pledged to overturn the Affordable Care Act, although he would face obstacles doing so. "Let's not mince words -- that's a 25% reduction in the impacted worker's gross wages!" Yup!

tazzygirl -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 11:39:31 AM)
quote: Several restaurants, hotels and retailers have started or are preparing to limit schedules of hourly workers to below 30 hours a week. That is the threshold at which large employers in 2014 would have to offer workers a minimum level of insurance or pay a penalty starting at $2,000 for each worker. rofl... few of those offer much or any benefits already.

Yachtie -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 11:44:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Several restaurants, hotels and retailers have started or are preparing to limit schedules of hourly workers to below 30 hours a week. That is the threshold at which large employers in 2014 would have to offer workers a minimum level of insurance or pay a penalty starting at $2,000 for each worker. rofl... few of those offer much or any benefits already. The most salient part is Denninger's pointing out that - "Let's not mince words -- that's a 25% reduction in the impacted worker's gross wages!" Forget the benefits, that's food on the table or gas in the car. It's sad that your ideology of benefits trump the basics.

tazzygirl -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 12:05:54 PM)
No, its practical. Most, like Darden, offer Day 1 insurance. quote: All employees are eligible for health insurance and disability coverage from the first day of employment, which is highly unusual in the restaurant business. Also unique in the industry is our anniversary/vacation pay benefit for hourly team members, whether or not they choose to take time off. http://www.darden.com/careers/restaurants.asp quote: Health Insurance: Day one medical coverage with just a $100 deductible and a dental plan with a $50 deductible and you can use any Doctor, Dentist or Hospital you want. For a little extra money you can purchase short-term disability insurance, which provides weekly benefits for up to 6 months. You can also sign up for $20,000 in term life insurance and $20,000 in Accidental Death & Dismemberment coverage. http://nyjobsource.com/darden.html I am well versed in this type of insurance. quote: DAY ONE MEDICAL PLAN – NO CHANGES FOR 2012! All Hourly Team Members are eligible. Low deductible of $500 per individual, but coverage is limited to $10,000 per calendar year. Generic drug coverage $10 or 25% of the cost, other prescriptions can be submitted for reimbursement after the deductible is met by submitting a claim through the medical plan. (This plan is not considered creditable coverage in Massachusettes). https://myinfo.rubytuesday.com/EmployeeWeb/benefitdocs/2012%20Health%20Care%20Options.pdf Odd how Romney's state doesnt consider this coverage creditable. quote: Day One Advantage provides $3,000 of medical coverage a year to each employee. The plan, which costs $10 a week, is available to workers from their first day on the job. http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1997-09-22/business/9709190517_1_hmo-optum-darden So, tell me, what are they missing out on? 3000 in medical coverage.. none of it at 100%, before they are told "you are cut off"? Many require reimbursements, repetitive form submittals by both the emplyee and the medical provider. Its a massive amount of paperwork that ends up not being worth the headache at all. These people are better off at the exchanges.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 3:38:38 PM)
As a Republican, I like to squash bugs, collect them in a bag and then go to my shithole apartment buildings (which, by the way, I've remortgaged at 3 times their actual worth, haven't repainted since the 70's, and of course, paid no taxes on, {state or local} because well, I'm an asshole Republican, determined to fuck people {in all income classes} in every possible way I can) and then in small individual bags (broken into divisible bags depending on how many units I have) present them to my tenants as protein in equal parts (only to be fair)....and only because they're not getting enough protein. Bugs are people too you know. Come on folks...this kind of shit is just stoooopit...get over this Republicans are evil shit.... Republicans live next door to you. They actually want you to win....know why? Because if you don't....they don't. Read about Ford. (Read anything, frankly). THAT is why the "who is fucking you" debate is just bullshit. Unabashed. I've spent more on tenants who were TRULY trying to change their lives, than they've ever spent on themselves. I'm cool with you not believing me (or for that matter....in me)....what matters is these people eventually began to believe in themselves. You think it's "Us against them". They think it's "you lose.....we win". There is no "you lose, we win".....there is no anything OTHER than "you win....we win". The biggest dilemma in this ordeal is....you don't believe it. JJ (Last night I killed some kitties in front of children....Gawd that was awesome).

Edwynn -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 4:05:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave I suppose it's always easy to have a conscience with money stolen from others. Like, say, Joe Biden and Obamao. They're all too happy to care for you with my money. Unlike good, honest Republicans, who are all too happy to take care (very good care) of ExxonMobile, Chevron, Monsanto, Koch Bros., Haliburton, Bechtel, Citigroup, and whoever else of them ponied up the relatively cheap entry fee into the US Treasury, with your money, and everyone else's. And based on that, I'd say that it's even easier, and certainly more likely the case, to not have a conscience when stealing other people's money on that scale. The huge increases in 'safety net' costs and the deficit these past few years are a direct result of cartoonish Republican ideology tragically being put into practice; and, no surprise, being that it's the nature of that ideology, they predictably refuse to take any responsibility for their own irresponsible deeds. Indeed, they whine about this unholy mess, of their own making, and insist that it isn't being cleaned up fast enough by somebody else.

tweakabelle -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 5:47:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave I suppose it's always easy to have a conscience with money stolen from others. Like, say, Joe Biden and Obamao. They're all too happy to care for you with my money. This kind of argument is as simplistic as it is misleading. The claim :"They're all too happy to care for you with my money" assumes the speaker will derive no benefit whatsoever from the US Govt for the entirety of their existence. I would have thought it is impossible to live in a modern society without enjoying some benefit from Govt on a daily basis, whether that is merely the use of public roads, or enjoying public security or something more substantial like welfare or health benefits. Once it is accepted that the speaker will derive some benefit from Govt the claim's impact collapses completely. If the speaker has in mind only those who benefit from Govt welfare and health systems, it should be noted that recipients of these benefits very rarely retain any savings - the benefit they receive is spent in toto, re-circulating through the economy helping to keep businesses of all sorts and the local economy afloat. So the beneficiaries of Govt benefits are many and may ultimately be the recipient's landlord, supermarket owner or some such service provider. Again the claim's impact collapses entirely. The claim is so inaccurate that it cannot have a basis in reality. One is tempted to consider that it is instead motivated by the usual emotions that fuel Right wing claims - fear, greed, selfishness and insecurity.

tazzygirl -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 5:56:29 PM)
quote: get over this Republicans are evil shit.... I never said they were evil

JanahX -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 6:48:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Several restaurants, hotels and retailers have started or are preparing to limit schedules of hourly workers to below 30 hours a week. That is the threshold at which large employers in 2014 would have to offer workers a minimum level of insurance or pay a penalty starting at $2,000 for each worker. rofl... few of those offer much or any benefits already. And Im sure the employees at Staples, Domino's and Sports Authority are rolling in their health care benifits. Not sure about Artisan Entertainment - but who cares about that anyways because Romney pulled out since they produced rated "R" movies. - LMAO. HEAD IN THE SAND TIME.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 6:53:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave I suppose it's always easy to have a conscience with money stolen from others. Like, say, Joe Biden and Obamao. They're all too happy to care for you with my money. This kind of argument is as simplistic as it is misleading. The claim :"They're all too happy to care for you with my money" assumes the speaker will derive no benefit whatsoever from the US Govt for the entirety of their existence. I would have thought it is impossible to live in a modern society without enjoying some benefit from Govt on a daily basis, whether that is merely the use of public roads, or enjoying public security or something more substantial like welfare or health benefits. Once it is accepted that the speaker will derive some benefit from Govt the claim's impact collapses completely. There are people who will not ever get welfare benefits from the Federal Gov't. outside of a small bit of SSI and Medicare. There are some that will pay in a vast amount more than they will ever get out, paying for those who don't pay in as much and get a lot more out. You can mince words all you want, and I'm sure you will continue, but there just are some things you can't obfuscate your way out of. quote: If the speaker has in mind only those who benefit from Govt welfare and health systems, it should be noted that recipients of these benefits very rarely retain any savings - the benefit they receive is spent in toto, re-circulating through the economy helping to keep businesses of all sorts and the local economy afloat. So the beneficiaries of Govt benefits are many and may ultimately be the recipient's landlord, supermarket owner or some such service provider. Again the claim's impact collapses entirely. Yes, that money goes into the economy. But, just like the much debunked "broken window" fallacy, you don't take into account what that money would have been used for had it stayed with the person that earned it. To take your "logic" to it's ultimate conclusion, the Government should provide everything for everyone, regardless of what that person does. But, who is going to produce? Who is going to provide that which the government doles out? quote: The claim is so inaccurate that it cannot have a basis in economic reality. One is tempted to consider that it is instead motivated by the usual emotions that fuel Right wing claims - fear, greed, selfishness and insecurity. If Government continued to take more from you and put more and more layers of regulation on business, you'd feel a bit insecure, too, unless you were one of those relying on government to give to you.

slvemike4u -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 6:55:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: People on the right will never try understand the new health care law. Because they don't want to understand it. If you read reactions to the establishment of Social Security those weren't much different. DomYngBlk I could be wrong but I think the Republican Party made a mistake when they believed the American people would blindly follow them in their attempt to discredit the healthcare plan for political purposes. I also believe the biggest mistake of the Democratic party and leadership was in not educating the American public in the benefits of the plan. People just do not have the information to know how the plan will affect them. It is a complicated plan that although compromised here and there for passage, is still a step up from what we have and should be given a chance to see if it works. Instead of hoping or wishing the criticism of the republicans goes away they should have been confronting them with facts. Butch Of course in order to"confront them with facts" they would have had to have overcome all of the white noise(static) of lies and obfuscation being conducted by the right and its surrogates. Death panels being only the most egregious of the lies,rationing,as portrayed by the right(as if that isn't what insurance companies do anyway),is another.

slvemike4u -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 7:00:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Several restaurants, hotels and retailers have started or are preparing to limit schedules of hourly workers to below 30 hours a week. That is the threshold at which large employers in 2014 would have to offer workers a minimum level of insurance or pay a penalty starting at $2,000 for each worker. rofl... few of those offer much or any benefits already. And few of those workers (restaurants and hotels specifically) count on their paychecks as their main source of income. Don't tell the government but these folks make far more in gratuities....lol

KenDckey -> RE: Do republicans even have a conscience? (11/5/2012 7:07:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl "I don't want to pay for anyone else's health care." "I don't want to pay for women to have contraceptives." Is rape really rape? The more I see the who cares about anyone else, survival of the fittest, it's all about ME ME ME attitude, the more I wonder if most republicans even have a conscience. Lack of a conscience is considered an incurable personality disorder. Antisocial Personality Disorder (formerly called Sociopath) and Narcissistic Personality Disorder are both characterized by the lack of a conscience. It just floors me how so many people can be so heartless.. Have you ever given the poor or homeless money and then watch as they try to kill each other over it. I have. Won't contribute to murder again. Have you ever gone to the orphanage and contribute your time, money, and effort to aide them? I have. Will do it again as well. Have you ever gone out on rescue missions, some were successful, others weren't? I have. Either way made me feel that I contributed. So, how do you explain my lack of social conscious since I am and always have been a republican?

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