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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 8:25:06 AM   
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Jenny McCarthy is an ignorant fool and/or a liar of epic proportions. Her son never appears in public so her lie about his improvement cannot simply be seen to be a lie. All claims abour diet and autism have failed to live up to scrutiny.

I thought her claims about that were that some over the counter chelation drug cured the lad, not diet?
(Which isn't a claim that tends to get taken very seriously, as a rule...)

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 8:58:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Evan's symptoms -- heavy seizures, followed by marked improvement once the seizures were brought under control -- are similar to those of Landau-Kleffner syndrome, a rare childhood neurological disorder that can also result in speech impairment and possible long-term neurological damage. Or, as other pediatricians have suggested, perhaps the miracle I have beheld is the quotidian miracle of childhood development: a delayed 2-year-old catching up by the time he is 7, a commonplace, routine occurrence, nothing more surprising than a short boy growing tall. It is enraging to the mother to hear that nothing was wrong with her boy -- she held him during his seizures, saw his eyes roll up after he received his vaccines -- and how can you say that she doesn't know what she knows?

We simply dont know.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 9:19:58 AM   
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Actually I was recently told by a physician that Asperger's Syndrome was removed from the Autism Spectrum Disorders as they now believe it is not related to Autism after all.



That is a misinformation. Take a look at this explanation.

The DSM is being reviewed, but Asperger is not separated from the Autism Spectrum.

All I am going to say about Jenny McCarthy is that she is a dangerous idiot.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 9:33:16 AM   
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Im actually surprised that he didnt claim that autism was caused by herpes. Or did he?


I thought that was Rule that thought everything was caused by herpes?

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 9:35:44 AM   
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Jenny McCarthy is an ignorant fool and/or a liar of epic proportions. Her son never appears in public so her lie about his improvement cannot simply be seen to be a lie. All claims abour diet and autism have failed to live up to scrutiny.

I thought her claims about that were that some over the counter chelation drug cured the lad, not diet?
(Which isn't a claim that tends to get taken very seriously, as a rule...)


Ugh. Chelation therapy can kill you or cause really serious side effects and doesn't do shit about autism. That parents are willing to put their child's life at risk because there might be a tiny chance that maybe it'll cure their kids autism? Ugh. Sometimes I wonder if the anti-vax pro-quack treatment crowd really would rather their child had died of smallpox than have to deal with raising an autistic kid.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 9:51:08 AM   
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For those parents who don't vaccinate their children, do they know that since so many parents have foregone vaccines, both polio and whooping cough cases are showing up more and more into western society.

That's the pro vac arguement...risk autism to avoid polio & whooping cough.


The scientific consensus is that there isn't actually any link between vaccines and autism, but even if there was a link - I think saving the lives of millions of children from smallpox, polio etc would be more than worth a small rise in the rates of disability.

Having a kid with autism is hard. But is it really harder than having your kid die of an easily preventable childhood disease? Is it really harder than millions of children dying of easily preventable childhood diseases? Because that would be the price of ending vaccination.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 12:22:35 PM   
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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 1:39:27 PM   
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Sometimes I wonder if the anti-vax pro-quack treatment crowd really would rather their child had died of smallpox than have to deal with raising an autistic kid.


Yeah, I'm very happy for any ASD child that doesn't have to suffer at the hands of such a "parent". It gets worse, though: there's "parents" that have killed their ASD children and tried to claim mitigating circumstances that it was a mercy killing. With such "parents", it might well be, I guess.

As for those that said Asperger's is being pulled, it's a matter of statistical convenience, no more, no less.

There is no such thing as autism, Asperger's, or the like, just a series of symptoms that we use to group diagnoses and treatments with no idea what the underlying condition might be, if there even is one. Many of these people also have other symptom clusters that are a more significant problem in the long run, such as depression, seizures, anxiety, and the like (though depression and anxiety and the like are often more a result of the environment and interactions therewith).

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 2:23:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am interested in what people here think about this fairly new point of view on Autism Spectrum Disorder. I found it very interesting...



TESTOSTERONE ON MY MIND AND IN MY BRAIN, an EDGE.org Conversation With Simon Baron - Cohen

this is the video LINK TO THE VIDEO

SIMON BARON-COHEN is Professor of Developmental Psychopathology and Director of the Autism Research Centre at Cambridge University. He is also a Fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge.

His research into autism spans three programs: (1) cognitive neuroscience (including genetics); (2) screening, diagnosis, and epidemiology; and (3) intervention. He previously held a senior academic post at London University (at the Institute of Psychiatry). He was awarded the British Psychological Society's Spearman Medal, and the American Psychological Association's McAndless Award, for outstanding contributions to research.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 2:38:58 PM   
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There is no such thing as autism, Asperger's, or the like, just a series of symptoms that we use to group diagnoses and treatments with no idea what the underlying condition might be, if there even is one. Many of these people also have other symptom clusters that are a more significant problem in the long run, such as depression, seizures, anxiety, and the like (though depression and anxiety and the like are often more a result of the environment and interactions therewith).

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This is why I want to see research done with effectiveness on parallel disorders.

Seeing arguments for classification and chemical effects seems kind of redundant to me, but then I'm not discussing a concept; I'm talking about what my son has, and what I've seen him experience. I suppose that alters the perspective though, doesn't it.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 2:59:51 PM   
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Finally, someone does a study!

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/11/vaccine-bombshell-baby-monkeys-develop-autism-symptoms-after-obtaining-doses-of-popular-vaccines/


It's fairly obvious....we should stop giving baby monkeys these vaccines.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 3:06:57 PM   
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There is no such thing as autism, Asperger's, or the like, just a series of symptoms that we use to group diagnoses and treatments with no idea what the underlying condition might be, if there even is one. Many of these people also have other symptom clusters that are a more significant problem in the long run, such as depression, seizures, anxiety, and the like (though depression and anxiety and the like are often more a result of the environment and interactions therewith).

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This is why I want to see research done with effectiveness on parallel disorders.

Seeing arguments for classification and chemical effects seems kind of redundant to me, but then I'm not discussing a concept; I'm talking about what my son has, and what I've seen him experience. I suppose that alters the perspective though, doesn't it.



Yes, it does change the perspective a lot.

It also leads to me getting extremely angry when I see pseudo-science like the vaccine connection.

Mostly I am interested in finding the best tools to help my kid reach his full potential.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 3:19:33 PM   
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Yes, it does change the perspective a lot.

It also leads to me getting extremely angry when I see pseudo-science like the vaccine connection.

Mostly I am interested in finding the best tools to help my kid reach his full potential.


It can be frustrating, I know exactly where you're at.

My son lucked out and is high functional. He can do algebra and play piano by ear, and he's only halfway through grade school. But then he has screaming fits, or violent reactions. His tics range from full body jerking to spitting and echolalia, but the anger is what troubles me the most.

I'll be blunt and say I'm not worried about a case study when I'm trying to get him to school, or fighting with the teachers that were scared of him, or hearing how the other kids tell him he's retarded. I wish there was a simple cure, sandra; he deserves to have a happy life like anyone else. Maybe one day there will be. I can say firsthand it's not his diet, it's not chemical exposure, it's not environmental.

When hard science comes out showing how a clearly (not hypothetical) identifiable cause fits into the disorder, I'll be a bit happier. The speculation just doesn't do it for me intellectually, and it does nothing at all for my little guy. Sorry, folks. I'm biased and I admit it.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 3:51:35 PM   
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Once again, pharmaceutical companies just want to make money and don't care how they do it. :(

Indeed. The unmitigated gall of a corporation that spends billions of dollars on research and development expecting any sort of profit in return. It should be a capital offense. Bring back beheadings in the town square! We must have justice!

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 4:01:18 PM   
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We must determine what is causing Autism. 1 in 68 boys gets it now! This was never the case years ago. They did ban a certain chemical in '99 that they knew (pharmaceutical companies) caused Autistic disease.

Jenny McCaurtney the celebrity has told the media for yrs.

She has an Autistic son. She changed his diet and claims his symptoms were erased.


Jenny McCarthy is an ignorant fool and/or a liar of epic proportions. Her son never appears in public so her lie about his improvement cannot simply be seen to be a lie. All claims abour diet and autism have failed to live up to scrutiny.


Ms. McCarthy is an idiot. That said, there are many autistic people that also have diet issues. However, it is not always the same diet issue. Some have gluten problems, some food dye issues, some milk problems; with Butterhead it is a refusal to try new foods and even to eat many foods. There are only a few that she will eat. It is a sensory thing with her.

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No chemical was banned because it caused autism. A chemical that some bunko artists blamed for autism was removed from most vaccines just in case. Autism rates continued to increase.


Perhaps she has been watching Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, too much? 

Do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream!...You know when fluoridation began?...1946. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works. I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love... Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I — I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women, er, women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake...but I do deny them my essence.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 5:02:40 PM   
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We must determine what is causing Autism. 1 in 68 boys gets it now! This was never the case years ago. They did ban a certain chemical in '99 that they knew (pharmaceutical companies) caused Autistic disease.

Jenny McCaurtney the celebrity has told the media for yrs.

She has an Autistic son. She changed his diet and claims his symptoms were erased.


Jenny McCarthy is an ignorant fool and/or a liar of epic proportions. Her son never appears in public so her lie about his improvement cannot simply be seen to be a lie. All claims abour diet and autism have failed to live up to scrutiny.


Ms. McCarthy is an idiot. That said, there are many autistic people that also have diet issues. However, it is not always the same diet issue. Some have gluten problems, some food dye issues, some milk problems; with Butterhead it is a refusal to try new foods and even to eat many foods. There are only a few that she will eat. It is a sensory thing with her.

There have been some positive studies indicating that food allergies, in particular to cow's milk, might have an effect on autism symptoms. However no change in diet has ever been shown to 'cure' autism which is what McCarthy claims.

Autism is speculated to be an inability to filter sensory information. It is possible that your child is easily overwhelmed by taste/smell and avoids unknown foods for that reason. She could be sort of the ultimate super taster with no/little ability to communicate the problem. If there is a pattern to the known foods she refuses, bitter or sweet or something else, it might be possible to adjust the preperation methods to make them more palatable to her. For instance many vegetables can be made sweeter and less bitter tasting by roasting instead of boiling/steaming.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 6:33:34 PM   
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Actually I was recently told by a physician that Asperger's Syndrome was removed from the Autism Spectrum Disorders as they now believe it is not related to Autism after all.

That is a misinformation. Take a look at this explanation.

The DSM is being reviewed, but Asperger is not separated from the Autism Spectrum.

In my opinion the difference is that Asperger's is inherited, whereas autism is acquired.

Saying that Asperger's is part of the autism spectrum in my opinion is about as accurate as asserting that a horse is one of the four-legged animals.


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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 6:43:54 PM   
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Actually I was recently told by a physician that Asperger's Syndrome was removed from the Autism Spectrum Disorders as they now believe it is not related to Autism after all.

That is a misinformation. Take a look at this explanation.

The DSM is being reviewed, but Asperger is not separated from the Autism Spectrum.

In my opinion the difference is that Asperger's is inherited, whereas autism is acquired.

Saying that Asperger's is part of the autism spectrum in my opinion is about as accurate as asserting that a horse is one of the four-legged animals.


Got any actual evidence that Asperger's is inherited?

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 6:59:00 PM   
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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/24/2012 7:07:58 PM   
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Im actually surprised that he didnt claim that autism was caused by herpes. Or did he?

I thought that was Rule that thought everything was caused by herpes?

Indeed, dozens if not hundreds of diseases may be caused by herpes virusses.

Regarding autism I said this in my post 47 in this thread:

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Cogitating on the phenomenon, I suspect that the afflicted individuals already carried a disease before they were vaccinated. And that the vaccination indirectly caused this pre-existing disease to flare up, causing an immune response to that disease, and unfortunately resulting in an auto-immune response to a similar self-epitope on particular nerve cells, in turn resulting in autism.

There are, according to my perception, indications that autism may be caused either directly or indirectly by herpes virusses. However, when inquiring about details relatives often deny that the afflicted individual has been infected with a herpes virus. That makes the suspected connection inconclusive.

That does not mean that a herpes virus is not involved in some (or a fair number of) cases. It may be that it is just one of a number of diseases that may prime an individual to be afflicted by autism after a vaccination

Alternatively a herpes virus may be involved without the patient or relatives being aware to be carrying one. For example the herpes virus that causes Pfeiffer's disease, may upon infection cause some flue-like symptoms and afterwards being present in a cryptic mode, without the infected person being aware that he has a herpes virus. Too: people may have had chickenpox and not know that it is caused by a herpes virus, or simply have forgotten to have had that disease, or not making the connection. And then there is herpes virus VIII: lots of people are infected by this herpes virus but they are not aware of this; the virus was only discovered after people with AIDS developed Kaposi's sarcoma, which eventually was discovered to be caused by this unknown herpes virus.

I have had people deny that they had a herpes virus and only after further intense questioning they suddenly said: "I have had that disease. So that is caused by a herpes virus? Then, yes, I must have a herpes virus".

And then there are the people with a strong narcistic streak in their mind: they think that they know everything and it will never occur to them that there are some things that they do not know: "I know everything about herpes virusses". So when I tell them something that they do not know about herpes virusses, they are quite shocked.

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