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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 3:51:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is also no significant correlation between babies and broken legs. But hey, there does is a correlation between geriatric people and broken legs. Now I wonder what causes the disparity?

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 3:54:00 PM   
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Finally, someone does a study!

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/11/vaccine-bombshell-baby-monkeys-develop-autism-symptoms-after-obtaining-doses-of-popular-vaccines/


WOW!!!!!!

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 4:13:32 PM   
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Just ignore him like I finally did. He's the undocumened & usually wildly illogical expert on the opposite of anything that comes out of my mouth with documented fact.


Actually, though theRose4U won't be reading this, it bears mentioning that the conflict she's carrying over into this thread was from two threads in which she mangled causal relationships and resorted to namecalling instead of addressing the points. Since the mods did not care to do anything about it that I can see, I'm inclined to address such libellious claims when she raises them.

I've no problem with anecdotes qualified as anecdotes. Individuals differ.

I've a problem with having a request for documentation dismissed as illogical when the only studies- in a field I keep an eye on- have been by someone pushing a product, and which have later first failed to be replicated, then eventually have actually been refuted. The use of folklore as a means of treating illness and a basis on which to advise others is not good science and not well founded.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 4:15:00 PM   
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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 4:29:24 PM   
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So I hope the anti vaccination people are happy, knowing baby monkeys are suffering through experiments to justify their feelings.


One assumes it's also relevant that the same crowd is responsible for a resurgence of measles, which can be fatal in some cases.

At a population level, the MMR vaccine either has no effect, or slightly reduces the prevalence of autism. One Japanese study with a small cohort indicated a reduction, while all other valid studies indicate no change. If there are kids developing autism as a result of vaccines, it follows that an equal number of kids are being prevented from developing autism as a result of vaccines, or else there would have been a change at a population level.

If a parent experiences what culareD did, then it is reasonable enough to decline vaccinating the second child on the off chance that there might be a particular disposition with that particular set of genes. For someone with no prior evidence of such susceptibility, the evidence is presently quite clear that vaccination will be the most beneficial choice for that child like any other. Now, I can come up with some theories why individual cases might occur due to vaccination, and most of those would have complementary cases in which the vaccine might prevent autism, but that's purely speculation on my part. Unless one child has already developed autism around the time of the vaccine, there is currently nothing to support not vaccinating future asymptomatic children.

More to the point, pursuing vaccination as a cause will detract from the effort to identify causes that actually make an overall difference to more than one parent. If a parent wants to spend time and effort on figuring out why their child turned out a certain way, rather than that time and effort being spent on trying to help the child realize its full potential, then that's their choice. But pushing for other parents not to vaccinate their kids should not be undertaken on the evidence currently available, and is doing real, measurable harm.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 4:33:33 PM   
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Im actually surprised that he didnt claim that autism was caused by herpes. Or did he?


It would have been more plausible than tying it to vaccines, at least.

Presently, we do not have a sufficient understanding of the human organism to make individual predictions.

Absent that, we do have a sufficient understanding of epidemology to make general predictions, which state quite clearly that vaccines are a dead end for groups of people, whether or not they might be relevant to a few individuals (in which case some should take the vaccines and some should not, with no way of telling which is which).

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 6:36:20 PM   
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Im actually surprised that he didnt claim that autism was caused by herpes. Or did he?

Have him on ignore which makes life nicer, but I expect the next will be autism is actually caused by christianity & only exsists in america.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 7:15:24 PM   
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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 7:45:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Twenty years ago people claimed that autism was due to mercury in vaccines. However there hasn't been any mercury used in vaccines for quite some time and autism rates have not gone down.

An Israeli study showed a correlation between paternal age at time of conception and autism. Fathers over 40 had more autistic children.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 8:12:03 PM   
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An Israeli study showed a correlation between paternal age at time of conception and autism. Fathers over 40 had more autistic children.

The net closes. Do you have a reference?

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 8:53:17 PM   
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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 8:55:55 PM   
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For those parents who don't vaccinate their children, do they know that since so many parents have foregone vaccines, both polio and whooping cough cases are showing up more and more into western society.

That's the pro vac arguement...risk autism to avoid polio & whooping cough.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 8:56:12 PM   
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An Israeli study showed a correlation between paternal age at time of conception and autism. Fathers over 40 had more autistic children.

The net closes. Do you have a reference?



Damn, use google.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 8:57:56 PM   
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For those parents who don't vaccinate their children, do they know that since so many parents have foregone vaccines, both polio and whooping cough cases are showing up more and more into western society.

That's the pro vac arguement...risk autism to avoid polio & whooping cough.


Both of which kill. Just sayin

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 8:59:19 PM   
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For those parents who don't vaccinate their children, do they know that since so many parents have foregone vaccines, both polio and whooping cough cases are showing up more and more into western society.

That's the pro vac arguement...risk autism to avoid polio & whooping cough.

No. The argument is risk rare serious side effects, which does not include autism, to avoid polio, pertussis, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, measles and a bunch of other diseases.

The fact is that a huge mountain of evidence shows no corelation between vaccine and autism.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 9:14:40 PM   
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For those parents who don't vaccinate their children, do they know that since so many parents have foregone vaccines, both polio and whooping cough cases are showing up more and more into western society.

That's the pro vac arguement...risk autism to avoid polio & whooping cough.

Polio and smallpox are ugly diseases that I would not wish on anyone. Nevertheless ... is it truly so bad when people die or are maimed by these and other vaccinable diseases? Populations benefit from selection pressures, after all. Gene pools respond to disease by evolving resistance to the disease. When the disease is artificially removed, the gene pools do not evolve resistance to the disease and consequently the population is forever vulnerable to the disease. From an evolutionary point of view, for example, condoms are bad.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 9:48:35 PM   
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For those parents who don't vaccinate their children, do they know that since so many parents have foregone vaccines, both polio and whooping cough cases are showing up more and more into western society.

That's the pro vac arguement...risk autism to avoid polio & whooping cough.


Both of which kill. Just sayin


Kill or permanently disable. Ask any person over the age of 50 who suffered from either how they enjoy their disabled limbs or chronic airway limitation.

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/6/2012 10:35:57 PM   
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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/7/2012 1:30:25 AM   
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Iron lungs.... incredible that they are still in use in people's homes.


It always strikes me as incredible at first, then I remember threads like this one and how "inevitable" is more apt than "incredible".

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RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtainin... - 11/7/2012 4:38:34 AM   
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For those parents who don't vaccinate their children, do they know that since so many parents have foregone vaccines, both polio and whooping cough cases are showing up more and more into western society.

That's the pro vac arguement...risk autism to avoid polio & whooping cough.

And what's the issue with that argument?
I'd much rather have an autistic child than a dead one, myself.

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