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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 3:03:46 AM   
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You are a very generous person to have not pulled the trigger, and he is a VERY lucky asshole.


Funny you should say that. Several of the officers told me I should have, and they wished I had.

He would not have been so lucky in My home. Merely shooting him wouldn't have been enough for Me.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 3:08:29 AM   
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Wow.

You did awesomely, but you don't need anyone else to tell you that. I think you did a good thing not shooting and killing this person, but I'd also have applauded you if you had.

In the UK, while handguns are illegal, and rifles hard to get, shotgun ownership is relatively widespread in the country side.

I keep mine in a locked cabinet in my bedroom.

If this had been an intruder in my home it would have gone like this...


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He said to me, “Shhhhhhh,” very loudly and stood up while pointing that weapon at me.


BANG-BANG

Thud.

And I wouldn't have had an instant of regret.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 3:10:36 AM   
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here in the uk there is a farmer; he shot a robber in his house and killed him. the farmer was charged with murder and sent to prison. this happened after his home had been broken into numerous times, and he'd been threatened/attacked. this is how our stupid law system works. thankfully for the farmer he was realeased in the end, but as far as i am concerned it should never have got to court in the first place.



In that case though the burglars didn't have guns and Tony Martin didn't have a firearms licence for his shotgun. Eventually convicted of manslaughter, he was bloody lucky to only serve three years. The sick part is that the other intruder sued Martin for damages because of his injuries...!

The OP's situation is much less likely to occur here in the UK simply because guns have been so heavily controlled. Yes, the criminal element has them but in tiny numbers when compared to the US. I would imagine the chances of a burglar carrying a gun are minimal here - if they have guns, they're going to use them for something bigger and more profitable than self-defence in a break-in.

Nevertheless, I do agree that once an intruder is "on my turf" I should have the absolute freedom to deal with him as I choose. What would I have done in the OP's situation? Blown his face off.

In the meantime, I feel perfectly safe sleeping in my house without a firearm to hand.


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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 3:14:36 AM   
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Dusky, I'm so glad you are well.
There is such a thing as 20/20 hindsight, so everyone says I would have or I wish you'd have....
however, you should be glad that you kept a cool head.

If I had the chance to think about it, I'd like to think I'd have shot that fiend in the leg.
Just to incapacitate him.
and then in the other leg, just because I would have told the officer that I was sure I missed.
And then in the hand, holding it down by the wrist with my heel, so that he couldn't shoot another person.
And then I would have said ”doesn't that feel warm bitch?”
Because I think that's kinda sweet.

Then I'd make some cinnamon toast, describing the fact that its a darn shame we didn't have any honey for the jam, muttering that toast and jam are great but my.whole day is off kilter with no honey....poopy......and a half hour later I'd call the cops.

But then again, that's just me.



Congrats on the survival thingy.

Yeah, I would have done SOMETHING like that...*SADIST MODE FULLY ENGAGED*...only they probably would never have found his "manhood".

Geez, I need to leave this thread...maybe go look at some cute bunny and kitty pics...
Glad you're safe now.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 3:24:08 AM   
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Martin got busted for murder because he shot Barras as he was leaving in the back, he had also set booby traps in the farm yard which adds premeditation to the illegal bangstck.

Further, Martin is a bad example as he was & still is as nutty as squrrel shit. Voices in head persecution complex etc. 

The case was reduced to manslaughter due to public opinion & pressure from the media. As was the sentence.

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

here in the uk there is a farmer; he shot a robber in his house and killed him. the farmer was charged with murder and sent to prison. this happened after his home had been broken into numerous times, and he'd been threatened/attacked. this is how our stupid law system works. thankfully for the farmer he was realeased in the end, but as far as i am concerned it should never have got to court in the first place.



In that case though the burglars didn't have guns and Tony Martin didn't have a firearms licence for his shotgun. Eventually convicted of manslaughter, he was bloody lucky to only serve three years. The sick part is that the other intruder sued Martin for damages because of his injuries...!

The OP's situation is much less likely to occur here in the UK simply because guns have been so heavily controlled. Yes, the criminal element has them but in tiny numbers when compared to the US. I would imagine the chances of a burglar carrying a gun are minimal here - if they have guns, they're going to use them for something bigger and more profitable than self-defence in a break-in.

Nevertheless, I do agree that once an intruder is "on my turf" I should have the absolute freedom to deal with him as I choose. What would I have done in the OP's situation? Blown his face off.

In the meantime, I feel perfectly safe sleeping in my house without a firearm to hand.



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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 5:02:27 AM   
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You are a very generous person to have not pulled the trigger, and he is a VERY lucky asshole.


Funny you should say that. Several of the officers told me I should have, and they wished I had.


I need to add something at this point. In Colorado, where Duskypearls and I both live, there is a law on the books called the Make My Day law. If a resident shoots and kills an intruder on their property who they have reason to believe could injure or kill them, no crime has been committed. In Dusky's case, she would not even have been charged or been subject to a trial.

Good job, kiddo, and I'm glad you had such presence of mind.


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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 5:09:15 AM   
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Well done Dusky!

I think I would have most likely pulled the trigger - partially out of self preservation and partially because I would rather them dead than having been able to get into my house again.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 5:54:44 AM   
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Nicely done, Duskypearls, and I'm glad you're okay.

The number one thing I want to applaud you again for, is staying cool. Like many others here, I know firsthand what it's like to have a firearm pointed at you, and when one survives, it's very reassuring to know there's one more thing one can handle, without losing it. I don't much care whether or not someone does shoot a legitimate intruder, such as this one. You handled this well.

First and foremost, though, I'm glad you're okay (bears repeating).

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 6:01:53 AM   
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He would not have been so lucky in My home. Merely shooting him wouldn't have been enough for Me.


Yanno, it always struck me as a bad idea to break into a home with a sadist in it.

Something about suspending civilization in the same room as someone with the instinct to hurt, harm, injure, inflict, and enjoy it, while the air is rich with adrenaline and the promise of blood and screams. That, and the whole bit about taking away any inclination to be lenient or merciful, indeed blocking off sympathy altogether. Not a good combination.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 6:02:02 AM   
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You are a hero.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 6:44:27 AM   
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I applaud your strong sense of mind and will in such a dangerous situation. (I would have emptied the gun as well, but then I don't handle fear well.)

As for gun control, although I believe in our right to bear arms, the US has far too many guns floating around. Many of these are of the type that no one outside of the military needs to carry. I am also not a big fan of hand guns, mainly b/c they are not terribly accurate at distances of more than 10-12 feet even if you're in practice.

I'm more of a shot gun lady myself, though I have done some (skeet) shooting with a rifle.

Really, I can't say I know how to balance our right to bear with limiting the numbers of handguns and eliminating military type weapons to the general public.





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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 6:50:48 AM   
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Wow DP! I am glad you are okay! I own a gun (or two), and I probably would not have hesitated to use it. Kudos to you for keeping your cool!

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 7:15:24 AM   
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I agree with most of the others in your handling of the situation DP. The only thing I think I would have done differently (you never really KNOW until you are put into that situation) is that rather than yelling, "Get out! Get out!" I would have given him one opportunity to drop his weapon and lay down on the floor to await the police rather than to send him off into the night to possibly break into someone else's home. Had he not immediately complied I would have been cleaning up blood stains the next day.

And by the way, I too keep a .357 in my nightstand.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 7:25:03 AM   
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Kudos for handling the situation well. I am glad you are okay.

Where I stand on the issue is complex. MOST people think they can handle situations well, but cannot. Just ask the guy that recently shot his own son in a similar instance.

I think our gun laws are too lax. Too many people have guns they should not have. None of those people believe they are one of the too many.

I used to keep hand guns. I no longer do. I have 3, very protective dogs. The intruder would not have gotten close enough to the house to intrude. I am however, wicked with sharp objects which I have a healthy supply of. My dogs also are well armed with sharp objects.

And yes, in my previous life.........I've been in several situations similar to yours. It nearly ended very badly for one fellow that decided a hasty retreat was better than the alternative. I allowed him his hasty retreat as it was easier than cleaning up the mess. I did not call the police because they would have done nothing.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 7:25:53 AM   
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Whew! So many things could have gone wrong in this scenario. I'm so very glad it all worked
out in your favor, and the man will eventually be located by the police to pay for his crimes.
I've never been in a situation such as this, but chances are that once he started to rise up
and approach me with a gun in his hand, I would have pulled the trigger.
Since criminals don't care if owning a gun is illegal or not, and because crime is so prevalent,
I feel that citizens should have the right to bear arms, especially in light of situations such as yours.
And what JstAnotherSub wrote bears repeating.
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I hope you have discovered how he got in, and fixed that.



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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 8:31:03 AM   
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Excellent job dusky.
As a couple of others said. I'd have probably emptied the clip into center mass and then beat hell out of what was left with the gun butt.
Pulling a gun on someone is no damn fun. I've done it.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 8:57:07 AM   
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I'm so happy you're okay Dusky and I'm impressed with your calm head. I've been robbed at gunpoint, so I know how hard that is.

I'm one of those that most likely would have pulled the trigger. I take having a gun pointed at me as a direct threat to my life.

Master also said that he wouldn't have turned on the light, but my night vision sucks, so I most likely would have turned on the light too.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 9:00:37 AM   
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I will add that I WOULD have turned on the light.

It would dazzle and distract the intruder and I would have positive target identification and a better sight picture.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 9:06:18 AM   
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You guys are all fabulous, and I cannot thank you enough for your good-hearted support and suggestions. I learned a lot last night, especially about myself, which I will now share with you.

I am amazed by how quickly my conscious and subconscious received and sorted all the data, obvious and not obvious, and determined what my actions would be. Crystal clear assessments, understandings and calculations of the situation flew through my head and body at warp speed.

Until I actually saw the bad guy with the light turned on, my mind was still under the impression an animal had got in and was causing the noise, so I had no reason to belive it was a human intruder. It wouldn't have been the first time a neighbor's cat broke in and created havoc. We do also have coyote, raccoon and bobcat in the area, so that's what I was thinking, "Cock the gun, in case you have to protect yourself from the animal, Diana."

When I saw the semi-auto handgun, I immediately knew he had more firepower (rounds) than I did, and could shoot off more of them more quickly than my .357 (5 shot) revolver could. I knew if I merely wounded him, the chances of him finishing me off were great, so my instinct kicked in and had me create a Mexican Standoff.

I'm guessing that a combination of things worked in my favor. He was looking for a place to evade the police. My house was dark, so he thought he was alone and safe. He had not anticipated being countered with a weapon-wielding human.

When I flipped on the light while pointing the gun into the room, I did NOT expose my torso, while his was completely exposed to me, so in essence, he was at more of a disadvantage than I. And with me yelling as loud as I did, it probably scared the crap out of him, and caused him to fear the noise would draw the police closer, as they were only a couple of houses away. So I figure his survival instinct told him he'd have a better chance if he simply ran off. Thank Heaven's he did.

I have no doubt if I even thought he would have fired at me, I would have returned fire. My entire being was ready to, and was waiting for an indication to do so. I'm glad I didn't have to, but would not have hesitated.

Steven is right, as I learned last night. The CO Make My Day Law would have completely protected me, had I wounded or killed him, and it would NEVER have gone to court. I also learned that we Coloradoans are legally protected from any kind of lawsuit, civil or otherwise, from the criminal's family if we wound or kill the criminal. I learned most of the officers wished I'd killed him!

I learned that in CO, one does not need a carry license for any weapon they have, or appropriately use, in their home or car. As soon as the officer entered my home, I put down my handgun and pulled out my carry license to give to him, only to learn he didn't need or want it.

I learned it was a good idea to NOT give the two TV stations the interviews they so desperately wanted, as I don't want the publicity or any of the bad guy's friends or family to know who and where I am, in the event they get angry and want vengence.

I learned I need to work on what I'd say in such a situation. We all think we'd say something clever like the well-practiced verses you see in movies, "Drop the gun or I'll f**king shoot you dead," or some other such effective threat. That's not what came out of my mouth, so I must work on practicing the right, effective, scare-the-s**t out of you phrase, and I will do that.

While I am very glad it all worked out as it did, I know I was very lucky. I shall carefully, repeatedly replay all that happened, and begin to train myself as how to possibly handle it differently, better in the future.

My wonderful cat, Weenie, is absolutely fine. She recovers quickly. I owe her a debt of gratitude.

Once again, thank you all for your caring and great ideas. I will work hard to incorporate those I think will benefit me. I will also consider, and have been for quite a while, getting a semi-auto handgun myself. I'm terribly fond of revolvers, as they're so simple and NEVER jam, but I believe it is time.

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RE: What would you have done in this situation? - 11/8/2012 9:32:45 AM   
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In California, if I shot an intruder:

I would be investigated, but would not be charged. But, would still be open to a civil suit from the intruder and/or their family.

I do not need a carry license within my home, but do need to have a handgun ID card.

I do own a semi automatic, but it's a Bulgarian Makarov which was designed to be kicked down a muddy street, then picked up and used by a drunken, illiterate farmer. I've put over 1200 rounds through it and have never had a single jam. It does only hold 8 rounds though, so I'm like you when it comes to the intruder having more.

I also practice with my pistol as least once a month.

We've had a rash of day time home invasions in San Diego county, so Master has been drilling it into me how to be safe.



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