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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/8/2012 6:13:30 PM

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I think it's a great idea.

It uses up mental bandwidth and serves as a constant distraction, frequently breaking concentration. This makes the sub appear to have little going on upstairs. Many idiots find this cute. As in, "Look! He's doing mental busywork. Isn't that cute!"

Me? (Note cap). I prefer to fuck up my (no cap) own way. But, hey, as long as I/i don't H/have to R/read your P/post, whatever floats yer boat.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/8/2012 6:33:40 PM

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Really, it's just silly.

That's always been my take on it.

The King James Bible and the Book of Common Prayer--two of the most majestic and influential works ever published in English--don't capitalize pronouns for God, so I certainly don't plan to start capping mere mortals.

That said, if it works for some folks--well, it's a free country.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/8/2012 6:35:02 PM

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Better than slashy speak!

Good point.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/8/2012 7:31:00 PM

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Sorry, but I do it from time to time when I am talking about Master because for me it's old school, it's how I was taught and it's habit for me. I will sometimes cap pronouns when I am speaking of him and lowercase mine. It's why my screenname is not capitalized.

If you don't like it, ignore it or put the person on hide so you never see them.

ETA: I'm wondering that if caps and lowercase bother you, why do you have your screen name beginning with lowercase? I mean personal names should be capped according to grammar rules.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/8/2012 8:49:07 PM

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I'm wondering that if caps and lowercase bother you, why do you have your screen name beginning with lowercase? I mean personal names should be capped according to grammar rules.

I know you weren't asking me, but I hope it's okay to answer anyway.

When I joined CM back in the dark ages, I think the interface actually advised subs to lowercase their names. So I did. I've been fine with that, yet I've grown oddly picky about how folks shorten it. I hate "dc" but warm to "DC." I make no claim of logic in any of this.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/8/2012 10:29:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

quote:

I'm wondering that if caps and lowercase bother you, why do you have your screen name beginning with lowercase? I mean personal names should be capped according to grammar rules.

I know you weren't asking me, but I hope it's okay to answer anyway.

When I joined CM back in the dark ages, I think the interface actually advised subs to lowercase their names. So I did. I've been fine with that, yet I've grown oddly picky about how folks shorten it. I hate "dc" but warm to "DC." I make no claim of logic in any of this.

I did not realize that. I try to match how I write someone's name with how it is shown above their avatar.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/8/2012 10:55:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Sorry, but I do it from time to time when I am talking about Master because for me it's old school, it's how I was taught and it's habit for me. I will sometimes cap pronouns when I am speaking of him and lowercase mine. It's why my screenname is not capitalized.

By general convention, of course, we capitalize people's names and lowercase all pronouns. Some communities, however, observe the convention of capping the names of Masters and Dominants as a mark of respect, while lowercasing the names of slaves and submissives. Personally, I don't care. But for those who elect to follow that convention, it strikes me as totally inconsistent to ignore that difference when using a pronoun. After all, who is this "him" or "her"? The function of a pronoun is to "stand for" the noun, to stand in its place, and logically therefore it seems to me that it should receive the same respectful capitalization.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/9/2012 1:05:15 AM

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Regardless of the (utterly useless) history lesson, any language, complete with its semantics, grammar and punctuation, evolves as time goes by. Whatever has happened in the past and whatever rules they decided to use or adopt in those days may well form part of today's modern structure of a language. But, at any given point in time, the language will have its definitions on how it should be written (and pronounced) and a general guide on structure and form.

That said, the respectfulness (or otherwise) of D/s dynamics may also form a subset or slightly different emphasis on some aspects of the language such as treatment of pronouns.

But that does not detract from what should be written properly - whether it is on a forum such as this or anywhere else for that matter. It is respect for said language and showing that you have that respect and have a reasonable command of it. To not show that respect, even more so if it is your mother tongue, is just sheer laziness and tardiness and to some degree a lack of intelligence or education.

Whilst I do not advocate a writing style that is exam-perfect, I would certainly expect to see some reasonable effort put into anything written - be it forum posts, blogs, or whatever. We all make typos (god forbid, I'm not perfect by any means) and most people will make allowances for those. But things like proper capitalisation, punctuation and grammar can easilly be misconstrued and project an entirely different meaning if not written correctly.
Case in point and nicely illustrated by urbancupcake's main profile picture -
With the Oxford comma: We invited the strippers, jfk, and stalin (shows a pic of female strippers and two gentlemen).
Without the Oxford comma: We invited the strippers, jfk and stalin (shows a pic of two guys in drag only - no females).

Personally, I get very annoyed when people use the wrong word - like 'to' instead of 'too', brought/bought, bare/bear, board/bored, their/there etc.
I also get peeved at lower case 'i' or where apostrophes are just missed out completely as in 'im', 'cant'.
There are also many cases where they use a completely wrong word such as 'wont' instead of want (or should it have been won't??) - sometimes I have to re-read the sentence again to see what the writer was actually trying to say.
Then there are blatant holes in basic language education such as using 'peek' or 'peak' instead of 'pique' or 'sence' rather than 'sense'; or 'carnt', 'intrest' etc!
And text speak really drives me up the wall!!
Another thing that really puts me off is a wall of text, usually with little or no punctuation and bad spelling and/or grammar.
Then of course you get those ignoramouses (or should that be ignorami??) that CANT TYPE UNLESS ITS IN ALL CAPS AND DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE GET ANNOYED AT IT! Sheeesh. What IS the world coming to??

It is basic English (or American) education that kids of 6 or 7 learn at school - there just isn't any need for such sloppiness.
Lets face it, if you cannot show that you are somewhat articulate, competent, have some sort of education and take a little pride in doing something so simple and basic as writing a few words, what else are you going to be sloppy, tardy, lazy {insert other appropriate words here} at doing?? It certainly doesn't show the writer in any sort of good light at all. It's not a case of using big words or convoluted sentences - even someone with severe dyslexia can show that they have put some effort into what they type.

If you are going to write something, at least try to make it presentable and readable.
Some of the profiles (and not just on CM) are appalling.
Anything presented like that wouldn't get you a job as a road sweeper let alone anything more demanding than that.

I was brought up 'old school' as someone put it - if a job is worth doing it's worth doing properly or not at all.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/9/2012 1:15:00 AM

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I have to admit that LadyP's usage of uppercase doesn't bother me. Not only because I love her to bits, respect and admire her as much as I love her but also because when she posts she doesn't come across as "I AM DOMLYDOM!!!! YOU WILL RESPECT MY UPPERCASE!!!!!".

Then there are the folks (not gonna name names... ;) ) who come across EXACTLY that way with their posts.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/9/2012 9:01:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

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I have to admit that LadyP's usage of uppercase doesn't bother me. Not only because I love her to bits, respect and admire her as much as I love her but also because when she posts she doesn't come across as "I AM DOMLYDOM!!!! YOU WILL RESPECT MY UPPERCASE!!!!!".

Then there are the folks (not gonna name names... ;) ) who come across EXACTLY that way with their posts.

I thought exactly the same thing about Lady P's use of caps when I read your post! Her use is the only time I see it and don't think it's silly.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/9/2012 9:11:27 AM

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Capping or not capping - - doesn't affect me either way. To each their own. It's the words, message and attitude being relayed that I pay attention to.

The Mister does the "Me" and "My" thing. I don't do the "You" thing in return. I've never asked him why he does this, and he's never asked me to reciprocate. It's really not a big deal.

Now, slashy speak, poorly written third person speak, and text speak can be annoying because of the level of effort sometimes required to read. I usually skip those posts because I come here to relax, not to work. The capping of pronouns requires no added effort for me, so I read 'em.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/9/2012 9:20:15 AM

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Just stop it already. Really, it's just silly.

IMO this is you trying to impose your will on everyone who posts in this forum which is even sillier than them capping or not capping personal pronouns.

BTW.. I will point out that you did ask for the history behind people doing the cap / no cap in online forums but require more than online posts or explanation behind it is silly IMO. Again even more so than choosing to cap or not cap personal pronouns.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/9/2012 10:58:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: TheLilSquaw

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ORIGINAL: trelaford

Just stop it already. Really, it's just silly.

BTW.. I will point out that you did ask for the history behind people doing the cap / no cap in online forums but require more than online posts or explanation behind it is silly IMO. Again even more so than choosing to cap or not cap personal pronouns.

as far as I can tell, the upper/lower case thing is an internet invention, so I don't think asking for legit verification that if there is more history to it than that to it is silly.

Legit meaning some source prior to internet invention/random posts by someone who thinks s/he is the aribiter of all that is weal and twue/etc...

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/9/2012 11:23:09 AM

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Wonder if its the same people who use !!! I think they get let out at weekends or more than likely lob the water cooler through the window and leap forth to glorious freedom.

I do find graimmer police annoying, man of science and muffin, is I (and well i do like a nice scone too) - cant spell but not as annoying as !!!
Much like the pedantic - as for king james (fine name that smiles as is Elohim(giggles that sounds singular)) bible, well tis merely a translation and conflagration of many works - some masterpieces, more so the olde testament(oh Enoch yours was the best, the most enlightened, why did that naughty council leave you out(wonders if it was the gods thingie - or space thingie)) which is worth a read for any literary fans - I digress. I believe god, or in bible speak Us believe god always referred to in plural and cannot be deemed an applicable example of the personal pronoun.

the defence adjourns to be burned at the steak for heresy and crimes against muffins and lovely scones :P

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/9/2012 11:42:19 AM

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Exactly my point Greedy,

It is online thing so why would there be anything but online rules or history behind it?

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/9/2012 11:44:26 AM

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I'm gonna tell all you little witches that if I get the idea that you are using a little m for master when you call me master in person...........you will not have your best day on earth.

I better feel that cap.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/9/2012 11:45:28 AM

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/9/2012 12:17:03 PM

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Anyone that has time to invest on this, can go and pull up the References to what I posted on the Historical Use of Capitalization. It is not to shove these down the throats of people though. But to say that it is not just an internet/online invention.

References:
1. Childs, Matt D. Florida State University.
2. Diringer, David. (1982) The Book Before Printing: Ancient, Medieval and Oriental. New York: Dover Publications.
3. Granger, Frank. Periodical: The Printer's Northwest Trader. Issue: 1998.08. "Twenty-six Wonders". Page: 6
4. Greenberg, Joseph H. (1967) "Essays in Linguistics Chicago", University of Chicago Press
5. Kasson, Joy S. "Mind in Matter in History: Viewing The Greek Slave"
6. Behn, A. (1688) Oroonoko or the History of the Royal Slave
7. Rick, Tyler and Popp, Martin. Museum of the Alphabet, Waxhaw, North Carolina
8. Romaine, Susanne (1994) Language and Society. An Introduction to Socilinguistics. New York; Oxford University Press Inc.
9. Ryrie, C. C. Formatting the Word of God The Charles Caldwell Ryrie Collection
10. Vadja, Edward, Prof. Western Washington University, Linguistics 201
11. Yale Journal of Criticism (1998)

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/9/2012 7:07:55 PM

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well if you capitalize Him, then you should capitalize Her.

that is, if logical consistency is your goal. If you are using capitalization to communicate the nuances of a particular hierarchy, it could be interpreted as a form of shorthand: it's condensing complex information into denser form, it's one of the advantages of creative Indo-English, efficiency.

that said, in usage, I note that it' soften redundant, if you start off with "my sub", or "my dom" you have already described the hierarchy.

Otherwise, I believe it's just protocol for some people, I find it slightly annoying, but usually not enough to stir me to wasting five minutes of my life arguing the point.

My point being, that being pedant myself, I am sympathetic, but if pedantry is getting in the way - obfuscating the attempt/act of communication rather facilitating it, then it's utility becomes questionable.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/9/2012 8:51:17 PM

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I'm suddenly wondering why we capitalize I but not you or he or they etc. And if I'm up all night wondering about this, I will not be a happy camper and I will blame the op.

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