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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/11/2012 5:54:47 PM   
absolutchocolat


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Status: offline 		who knew capitalization and punctuation could be so divisive? lol.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/11/2012 6:03:35 PM   
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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/11/2012 6:09:42 PM   
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I did not realize that. I try to match how I write someone's name with how it is shown above their avatar.

That makes perfect sense, Aylee! I just happen to be quirky on that point (and so many others).

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/11/2012 6:22:18 PM   
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who knew capitalization and punctuation could be so divisive? lol.

Back in 2004, if Wikipedia is to be believed, Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation became a NYT best-seller. I can vouch for its creating quite a buzz among my fellow editors at work. I tried reading it, but didn't get into it, in part because I couldn't get past the lack of a hyphen in the subtitle.

Then again, as John Benbow of the Oxfod University Press warned, ""If you take hyphens seriously, you will surely go mad."

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/11/2012 8:04:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat

who knew capitalization and punctuation could be so divisive? lol.



Indeed.

Must admit, I don't care one way or the other. Although, sometimes I find it horny.

Is it OK to do it if one finds it horny? I do hope so.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/11/2012 10:32:44 PM   
ToyOfRhamnusia


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Status: offline 		Here is a point that will annoy many "old-timers" - and so be it:

I could not give a rat's ass about who is D, who is s, who is gay, who is hetero, who is black, who is yellow, who is married, who lives on a FWB basis - continue the list ad libitum!

Here, in this public forum, we are ALL HUMANS! What anyone does in their personal private relationship is NONE of my business. I don't care, and I don't need to know, because I want to read their posts WITHOUT that kind of prejudice, EXCEPT when this knowledge is required for understanding the post or the topic. Then the poster can include it, as I am not interested in constantly learning about all other people's internal private protocols here in a public forum unless it is relevant for the issue at hand. If a slave wants to honor his/her master/mistress by observing a certain protocol, then do it in private messages, not in a public forum!

In a public forum, like this one, we are all equal, and I refuse to treat a "sub" differently than a so-called "master". If we are to enter into some sort of personal relationship, then that might change, but not before. Each has a right to his/her opinion, and the rights of free speech (within the boundaries set by this site). The opinion of a D does not deserve more credit than that of an s. And the opinion of an s deserves exactly as much respect as that of a D. No D has any privileges HERE, just because they have some privileges in their private relationship. And no sub/slave has any particularly obligation HERE to the rest of us - and postings are for ALL of us.

And that also means: write ENGLISH, please - as well as you can...

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/11/2012 10:37:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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who knew capitalization and punctuation could be so divisive? lol.

Back in 2004, if Wikipedia is to be believed, Eats, Shoots & Leaves: The Zero Tolerance Approach to Punctuation became a NYT best-seller. I can vouch for its creating quite a buzz among my fellow editors at work. I tried reading it, but didn't get into it, in part because I couldn't get past the lack of a hyphen in the subtitle.

Then again, as John Benbow of the Oxford University Press warned, ""If you take hyphens seriously, you will surely go mad."

That book is a pearl. It very clearly demonstrates that we change the meaning of what we write if we ignore the rules... It is full of hilarious examples - get it if you can!

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/11/2012 10:42:27 PM   
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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/11/2012 11:01:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Punctuation is everything! One of my favourite examples of that is this famous one:

A professor wrote the words, “Woman without her man is nothing” on the blackboard and directed his students to punctuate it correctly.

The men wrote: “Woman, without her man, is nothing.”

The women wrote: “Woman: Without her, man is nothing.”

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/12/2012 2:41:32 AM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		I didn't do much posting the last couple of days, so this thread wasn't really at the top of My list. I'm just back to address some points that will, hopefully, benefit the conversation.

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ORIGINAL: trelaford
No, I merely called the practice silly - and I was, of course, thoroughly and undeniably correct in doing so.
You can feel it's silly all you would like. Personally, I find telling someone not to wear underwear as a sign of their ability to give a command just as silly. The cool thing about that is the Dom telling his sub not to wear underwear is a part of their dynamic, and therefore, My opinion on the matter absolutely means less than the Dom who is running the show.

That is part of My take on all of this. What I write up on this site *is* a reflection of My dynamic. It is for clip, too. Frankly, clip has been directed to have the same writing style (in reverse, of course) because I want the same from him. In our dynamic, that's a command and a ritual that he will partake in for *any* postings related to his submission/slavery.

Ever have a dynamic that has a half a ritual? It doesn't tend to work very well. The half that's doing it eventually gives up because it doesn't seem important to the other. No matter what post My boy reads on these boards, he knows that isn't the case. It doesn't matter who I'm talking to. He KNOWS this dynamic is in the forefront of My mind.

Why don't I do it for we? (We?) That's because I have a poly household and I have two relationships in My life. If I didn't cap 'we' for MP and I where there is no dynamic and capped 'We' for clip and I, at some point, that's going to confuse the heck out of people. As a point of interest, you might be interested in some of MasterFireMaam's old posts, as that's an example of a Master who uses "We" in the hierarchy sense. You can also find her book over on the BDSM book list thread, "Manual Creation: Defining the Structure of an M/s Household" by Machele Kindle.

Speaking of authors, you may also find it interesting that Dr Robert Rubel writes all of his books in the third person. In "Protocol Handbook for the Leather Slave: Theory and Practice," he even makes a specific mention of it on page 19. Here's the quote: "Having started my career as a high school English teacher, I know I can get away with it."






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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/12/2012 4:13:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: plushiecat

Punctuation is everything! One of my favourite examples of that is this famous one:

A professor wrote the words, “Woman without her man is nothing” on the blackboard and directed his students to punctuate it correctly.

The men wrote: “Woman, without her man, is nothing.”

The women wrote: “Woman: Without her, man is nothing.”


Classic!!!

Just goes to show that something written properly will convey the correct meaning, other wise it could mean just the opposite depending how you read it.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/12/2012 10:05:30 AM   
Darkfeather


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Status: offline 		Why do so many make the assumption that capitalizing their nickname or personal pronouns has any significance whatsoever. It has been repeatedly stated, by those who actually do this, that it is merely a practice learned, and has NO malefic purpose. I have been doing this for a long time, and I have yet to see, in a public forum, someone give two rat's asses if their name was capitalized when being referred to. I myself have been called all manner of names, from dark, feather, df, hell even colorful metaphors. Some people have capitalized them, others have not. Does it bother me, not in the slightest. Why? As I have said I simply learned to capitalize my nickname to easily identify myself as dominant. Do I make assumptions based on others and their nicknames, sure. But do I act on them, treating people differently, based on this, not at all. Maybe some have been berated when they have lower-cased a dominant in public, and that is why all these misconceptions arise. But coming from someone who learned to do it, I can say from personal experience it is not true

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/12/2012 10:15:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: trelaford

I merely called the practice silly - and I was, of course, thoroughly and undeniably correct in doing so.

Actually, you were thoroughly and undeniably something else for doing so. This is not the place to ridicule the practices and customs of other kinksters' lifestyles. Get over yourself.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/12/2012 10:27:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: trelaford
Now, now. Let's be clear here - my intent was to poke fun, not to impose my will. After all, I didn't move that those who capitalize personal pronouns be banned - that, in contrast, would indeed represent an attempt to impose my will.

No, I merely called the practice silly - and I was, of course, thoroughly and undeniably correct in doing so.


I wonder if you can see how some people might have interpreted your remark as somewhat jackassed?

To begin with, we belong to an eclectic mix of people that enjoy a very broad range of kinks, preferences, protocols and scenes.

There are people that fucking love having cold custard poured into their pants or all over them, for example.

You might think that "sploshing" isn't for you, but to say it was "silly" is to show a pretty poor level of acceptance of other people's kinks and preferences.

Many of us try hard to encourage open mindedness, so a bald statement that "X is silly" can strike some of us as a pretty fucking stupid thing to say.

Personally speaking... capitalisation of pronouns isn't for me. I would never ask someone to capitalise a certain way, just as I'd never ask someone to call me "Master". They don't work for me.

But some subs, perhaps because they've a background in "online" prefer to, and some do it automatically, it would be rude and ungracious of me to say "oh that's silly", and if I did put someone down like this they'd be entitled to say "well you can fuck off then you stupid little arsehole".

If a sub wants to do it, either out of habit, or because they feel that it's appropriate as a mark of respect then, since I am not a churlish oaf, I accept the compliment that it implies.

So, it's ok if you think it's not for you, it's even ok if you personally think it's silly.

But to say things like "Really, it's just silly." is... well it's fucking silly.

And as for...

"No, I merely called the practice silly - and I was, of course, thoroughly and undeniably correct in doing so. " well, there's a good chance that some of the people reading that line will conclude that you're an arrogant asshat - Something that I'm sure would be an inaccurate impression of you.

I wonder if you'd consider saying something like "Yeah, thanks for the feedback, I can see how I might have come over as a bit of a tosser, I understand now that while it's not for me, other people like it and that's perfectly ok"?

[Ed to remove the word "community"]

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/12/2012 10:52:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Also, if he finds the practice of capitalization silly, he must have a field-day with hard core Goreans. But no one in their right mind would go into their forum and start that firestorm

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/12/2012 11:09:44 AM   
AAkasha


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ORIGINAL: plushiecat

Punctuation is everything! One of my favourite examples of that is this famous one:

A professor wrote the words, “Woman without her man is nothing” on the blackboard and directed his students to punctuate it correctly.

The men wrote: “Woman, without her man, is nothing.”

The women wrote: “Woman: Without her, man is nothing.”



Good punctuation and grammar will never be out of fashion.

People can make the decision to use incorrect grammar in a public message board like this one in favor of their own protocol. There are no rules anyway. Most people "get it" when they read it, and know what it means. People aren't offended, no one really cares, no one needs an explanation, it's just accepted. Not everyone will agree with the reasons why.

My personal opinion is that the possible negatives do outweigh the positives. We send mixed messages to the "newbies" the come here who we tell "this is just a place for conversation," yet there are people who are in a sense "active roleplaying" their roles by using honorifics in the way they refer to themselves. If someone can use slashy speak to talk about themselves, why can't joe new sub start his posts with "curtsies to all" without getting flamed for roleplaying with a group of unwilling strangers? Or laughed out of the building?

Will new subs think this is the way they should write? Or that way? Is this the reason a total stranger is writing to me, referring to me as "You" instead of 'you' (I prefer proper grammar and punctuation and no protocol unless I'm in a relationship with someone.)

If this forum "conversation" was - instead - a "munch" (not a play party) - would we be forced to listen to people talk in third person because "that's the way they communicate all the time" (including at work and at home and with friends? I find that hard to believe).

I come here for conversation about BDSM, not roleplaying. I get that a lot of the protocols developed out of BBSes, chatrooms, etc. I can understand some subs may have rules they have to follow online, but I wish their dominants would tell them to follow the protocol that is respected by a group. I can't get my head around dominants that need to capitalize their own personal pronouns. Why reinforce bad grammar to a bunch of youthful people reading message boards, or confuse protocol for newbies who come here and then think this is a roleplaying discussion group.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/12/2012 11:14:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: trelaford

I merely called the practice silly - and I was, of course, thoroughly and undeniably correct in doing so.

Actually, you were thoroughly and undeniably something else for doing so. This is not the place to ridicule the practices and customs of other kinksters' lifestyles. Get over yourself.

K.



To play devil's advocate, one could argue that this message board is not a "play space," and when people use their grammar kinks and special pronouns if this is their protocol, they are doing it in front of a group that does not wish to engage in their play. If you want to go down that route of argument. I didn't sign up here to "watch" people get their jollies by making me painfully watch their grammatically incorrect keystrokes (I am being sarcastic here).

Akasha



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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/12/2012 11:34:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		It seems like a very small potato's thrill to me. Therefore, your faux-outrage about it seems a little petty. Unless you're going for a piquant/provocative thing, which I see going nowhere.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/12/2012 12:11:51 PM   
absolutchocolat


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Status: offline 		i'm sure folks find my laid-back style of writing awful. in my case, after writing stuffy business e-mails all day and leaving the world of academia behind, it's refreshing to write in a more relaxed manner. i use text speak and abbreviations, sometimes i don't properly quote outside sources. shoot me.

i'm not annoyed by how other people communicate in this medium if i can get the gist of what they're saying. we're all different and i expect our writing styles to reflect that.

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RE: Capitalization of personal pronouns - 11/12/2012 12:24:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AAkasha


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: trelaford

I merely called the practice silly - and I was, of course, thoroughly and undeniably correct in doing so.

Actually, you were thoroughly and undeniably something else for doing so. This is not the place to ridicule the practices and customs of other kinksters' lifestyles. Get over yourself.

K.



To play devil's advocate, one could argue that this message board is not a "play space," and when people use their grammar kinks and special pronouns if this is their protocol, they are doing it in front of a group that does not wish to engage in their play. If you want to go down that route of argument. I didn't sign up here to "watch" people get their jollies by making me painfully watch their grammatically incorrect keystrokes (I am being sarcastic here).

Akasha



I must be the devil here, as this is exactly my sentiment. No sarcasm.

Other people's internal play protocol is not to be flaunted in public places, just as nudity.

Public place, public rules. Private place, private rules.

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