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crazyml -> RE: So are we a bunch of meanies? (11/10/2012 9:08:35 PM)
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Alrighty, I'm going to chime in on this one.
To the first bit..
I'll begin with the "CCC" - I love this accusation. It always makes me laugh. For starters, it's completely absurd to create the notion of a single over-arching clique, unless "clique" is defined as "regular posters". If it's defined any other way then I'd have to say that there could be dozens and dozens of groupings that might (with varying degrees of accuracy) be described as "cliques".
But if CCC means "regular posters" then I'm part of that grouping - But I simply reject the idea that I'm participating in a "clique". Sure, I've made plenty of friends here, and there are a few I flirt with quite openly, there are a few people I wouldn't say I knew well enough to class as "friends". There are some I dislike.
But that really has very little to do with whether I agree or disagree with them, or whether I'm snarky or not.
There are plenty of posters here with whom I do disagree at times, in some cases pretty emphatically - But I still find their point of view interesting, and I still respect them, and in many cases I am even capable of liking them too.
There are a few posters I actually dislike, but who post interesting and provocative things - some of which I actually agree with... and when I do, I try to acknowledge that.
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It has been accused that the CCC are:
Chasing people off - and by doing this they are keeping new ideas from being brought into our community.
I do see some people being effectively chased off. They tend to be asshats.
I see a lot of robust scepticism towards new ideas (although new ideas and topics are pretty fucking few and far between in practice), but actually I'd maintain that the opposite is true in that new comers with an interesting perspective really thrive here.
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By chasing people off - you will effectively damage the experience for others.
I think the warm welcome that so many newcomers receive, I don't think that this board's tendency to be a tough audience for out and out asshats is damaging the experience, in fact I think the opposite is true.
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It has been asserted that: This place will become (if it hasn't already) a cesspool of "right-thinking" where no one is allowed to state an opinion that doesn't past muster with the CCC which prefers to act like a group of angry high school girls than to help people find their way. And why? Because these people are a little bit different.
This accusation is utter horse-shit.
You only have to look at the breadth of views, opinions, lifestyles and attitudes of the regular posters to see what nonsense the idea that there is some defined "right think" going on here.
Again, in practice I see the opposite being true.
The people that get the hardest time tend to be the ones that rock up and start claiming that there is some kind of right way... the ones that claim to be "true masters" or "true slaves", the ones that talk shit....
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that the CCC are: making this the website you deserve.
Yup, I think that on the whole the regulars - by providing a warm welcome to people who aren't asshats and a less warm one to the jackasses are making this a better website, and yeah - we deserve it!
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that the CCC target male posters: that had this been a female poster, the CCC wouldn't have been quite so aggressive and down-right mean.
I think it could be that a larger volume of snark is directed at males than females - but I'd be willing to bet that it's not the gender but the attitude that causes it.
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The way that the CCC targets, a consequence will be: It's detrimental and it will lead to no new information coming onto these boards because instead of feeling like we're a bunch of friends they just haven't met yet, they'll feel scared that they'll be the next one to be fed upon.
On the whole I think this board can be hugely helpful and very welcoming to newcomers.
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