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tazzygirl -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/12/2012 8:42:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

In an experiment apparently aimed at keeping down the cost of health-care reform, Orlando-based Darden Restaurants has stopped offering full-time schedules to many hourly workers in at least a few Olive Gardens, Red Lobsters and LongHorn Steakhouses.

Darden said the test is taking place in “a select number” of restaurants in four markets, including Central Florida, but would not give details. The company said there has been no decision made about expanding it.


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-10-07/business/os-darden-part-time-workers-20121007_1_darden-restaurants-health-insurance-olive-gardens




Which is what I said.

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My dear....it is in ALL markets.


No, its not.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/12/2012 8:49:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Unless you're thrilled with paying 2 bucks more a meal.


You do realize their cost of meals isnt even 2 bucks.



Uhmmmm....yeah (if I recall, the average meal ticket at Darden restaurants, depending on the venue, runs between $16.00 and $43.00 a plate).

The cost of food at the plate....I haven't a clue.

That's really beside the point isn't it because we're not discussing the increased cost of broccoli here....we're discussing the increased cost of running their business....which is generally for a restaurant, deemed to be...per plate.

And your point is?




LookieNoNookie -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/12/2012 8:52:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

In an experiment apparently aimed at keeping down the cost of health-care reform, Orlando-based Darden Restaurants has stopped offering full-time schedules to many hourly workers in at least a few Olive Gardens, Red Lobsters and LongHorn Steakhouses.

Darden said the test is taking place in “a select number” of restaurants in four markets, including Central Florida, but would not give details. The company said there has been no decision made about expanding it.


http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-10-07/business/os-darden-part-time-workers-20121007_1_darden-restaurants-health-insurance-olive-gardens




Which is what I said.

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My dear....it is in ALL markets.


No, its not.


It's all good kiddo....if you think the way to prosperity in our country is with more part time jobs....this is a great start.




tazzygirl -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/12/2012 8:56:13 PM)

Didnt you say you have a background in restaurants? I do know that at RT's, the cost of the Salab bar is so negligiuble that its less than 50 cents... which is why its free. The cost of a steak dinner... around 2 bucks. Deserts and bar was the expense tab there... which is where it is in most restaurants, unless they make their own deserts.

For a pasta dish? they make a 6 to 10 times on mark up.

A pizza place charges 10 bucks a pie.. no extras... and it will cost them an extra 14 cents to cover employees benefits.

In other words.... its not about cost here... its not about profit margin. Most customers wouldnt notice the extra 20 cents at Papa Johns.... and most wouldnt care knowing the reason why.

All this is doing is giving them a bad rep.

Corporations are tossing a temper tantrum that they will have to do something they dont want too, so they will make their own bottom line hurt. Who do these people think they are fooling? Cutting their noses off to spite their faces when the people they employee live in the communities where the job loses are going to be felt.




thompsonx -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 5:58:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie



It's AMAZING how you leftists find it so easy to tell others how they should run their businesses. No one should be surprised though, as you also so easily tell others how their money should be spent and even help them do it[8D]


I am wondering what planet you live on. The government sets all sorts of parameters for being in business. You know like business license, osha regulations like having hand rails on stairs, lights in work areas, air quality standards in work areas. Why is it that you want to limit how little and how much a worker can be paid but do not seem to apply the same standards to management/ownership?




thompsonx -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 6:02:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy


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I feel like labor should just organize and refuse to work for conservative businesses.



You mean like in Greece?


Don't you think you should at least acquaint yourself with the topic before you post about it?




thompsonx -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 6:03:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I'll type slowly.

If you hire no new workers and people leave, you will have fewer and fewer employees. replacement workers are. by definition, new unless you had them stored in a warehouse someplace waiting for their battery backs.



ROFLMFAO... Only you would parse what he said that way. Just goes to show, leftists have a wiring problem.


I find it interesting how you call anyone who disagrees with your moronic post a leftist.




thompsonx -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 6:06:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
I am in business for myself and do quite fine, thank you very much. And when I did employ people, I paid them what they were legally entitled to be paid.



The government has established the legal entitlement of pay. It's called the minimum wage. [8D]

You seem to be in favor of limiting the maximum wage.




thompsonx -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 6:23:36 AM)

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sure, unions were part of the reason.. unions at one time were good but not any longer, imo..


Would you happen to have any validation for the moronic drivil in your post?




Yachtie -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 6:24:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Didnt you say you have a background in restaurants? I do know that at RT's, the cost of the Salab bar is so negligiuble that its less than 50 cents... which is why its free. The cost of a steak dinner... around 2 bucks. Deserts and bar was the expense tab there... which is where it is in most restaurants, unless they make their own deserts.

For a pasta dish? they make a 6 to 10 times on mark up.

A pizza place charges 10 bucks a pie.. no extras... and it will cost them an extra 14 cents to cover employees benefits.

In other words.... its not about cost here... its not about profit margin. Most customers wouldnt notice the extra 20 cents at Papa Johns.... and most wouldnt care knowing the reason why.

All this is doing is giving them a bad rep.

Corporations are tossing a temper tantrum that they will have to do something they dont want too, so they will make their own bottom line hurt. Who do these people think they are fooling? Cutting their noses off to spite their faces when the people they employee live in the communities where the job loses are going to be felt.



So it's not about cost or profit margin. It's not about business. It's not about government's hand in the marketplace. So just what is it about?

It's about communities. Business should absorb anything and everything in the name of community. Business should not look after itself but after the community.

Whine, scream, cajole, berate, whatever... There is an goal to what the liberal wants. They shall achieve it by any means. It's the liberal mantra, like waves upon the rocks pounding and pounding till the bedrock becomes sand.

The most destructive force the world has ever known is the modern Liberal.







tazzygirl -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 6:34:32 AM)

Plop a restaurant down in the middle of a community then stop hiring from that community. Where are your customers going to come from? Three towns over?




mnottertail -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 6:36:05 AM)

And I would say from the way our world actually is put together the most destructive force is the drooling imbeciles who style themselves 'conservatives'.

Businesses should be very interested in communities, since that is what they are in business for, is to provide a product or service to that community.   If it is not a strong and vibrant community, and the business is not concerned with promulgating that, the business dies.





ShadowMasterTX -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 6:59:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Didnt you say you have a background in restaurants? I do know that at RT's, the cost of the Salab bar is so negligiuble that its less than 50 cents... which is why its free. The cost of a steak dinner... around 2 bucks. Deserts and bar was the expense tab there... which is where it is in most restaurants, unless they make their own deserts.

For a pasta dish? they make a 6 to 10 times on mark up.

A pizza place charges 10 bucks a pie.. no extras... and it will cost them an extra 14 cents to cover employees benefits.

In other words.... its not about cost here... its not about profit margin. Most customers wouldnt notice the extra 20 cents at Papa Johns.... and most wouldnt care knowing the reason why.

All this is doing is giving them a bad rep.

Corporations are tossing a temper tantrum that they will have to do something they dont want too, so they will make their own bottom line hurt. Who do these people think they are fooling? Cutting their noses off to spite their faces when the people they employee live in the communities where the job loses are going to be felt.



So it's not about cost or profit margin. It's not about business. It's not about government's hand in the marketplace. So just what is it about?

It's about communities. Business should absorb anything and everything in the name of community. Business should not look after itself but after the community.

Whine, scream, cajole, berate, whatever... There is an goal to what the liberal wants. They shall achieve it by any means. It's the liberal mantra, like waves upon the rocks pounding and pounding till the bedrock becomes sand.

The most destructive force the world has ever known is the modern Liberal.



But your right. In many ways, it is about community. When the pizza place sends a car out to deliver that pizza, the car travels on roads, and stops at traffic lights. These are things provided by the community. When the police arrive to protect your business from being broken into in the middle of the night, that is your community protecting you.

Business should not absorb the entire cost, but nor should the employees. The "left" point of view is simply that the better off in life you are, the greater your civic responsibility.

We all pay the same cost for a gallon of milk, for a gallon of gas, so you can't say that a millionaire's basic costs of living are that much greater then those of someone making minimum wage (and I do mean BASIC).. Sure, the rich living in million dollar houses, where the less fortunate live in apartments owned by the millionaires, where the rent helps pay for their million dollar homes.

No one is saying you need to pay all you make in taxes as a business owner. What they are saying is you should be paying the same percentage (or even slightly more) then those in the income bracket just below you.

Someone who makes 100,000 a year as an employee should not be paying three times more in taxes then someone who simply makes 100,000 off of his investments (including owning a business).

Lost has been the sense of civic involvement, replaced with the attitude of "What can government do for me and let someone else pay for".. This is not a left or a right issue, nor a poor or a rich one.




Yachtie -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:02:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Plop a restaurant down in the middle of a community then stop hiring from that community. Where are your customers going to come from? Three towns over?


You completely missed the point.

But here's one for you -

Hostess Brands Inc. is permanently closing three bakeries following a nationwide strike by its bakers union.

The maker of Twinkies, Ding Dongs and Wonder Bread said Monday that the strike has prevented it from producing and delivering products, and it is closing bakeries in Seattle, St. Louis and Cincinnati. The facilities employ 627 workers.

“We deeply regret this decision, but we have repeatedly explained that we will close facilities that are no longer able to produce and deliver products because of a work stoppage — and that we will close the entire company if widespread strikes cripple our business,” Hostess Brands CEO Gregory F. Rayburn said.


The Union sure does have the communities interests at heart, doesn't it.[8|]

The left does not realize that The Community shall lose when it butts heads hard enough with The Market.




tazzygirl -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:13:05 AM)

Hostess has argued that workers must make concessions as it tries to improve its financial position. The privately-held food maker filed for Chapter 11 protection in January, its second trip through bankruptcy court in less than a decade. Hostess cited increasing pension and medical costs for employees as one of the drivers behind its latest filing.

The company, founded in 1930, is fighting battles beyond labor costs, however. Competition is increasing in the snack space and Americans are increasingly conscious about healthy eating.


And Hostess may feel the brunt of that decision as well.




mnottertail -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:18:01 AM)

So, selling sugar titties is not a viable business model in this day and age, too bad the company ownership sucked all the money out instead of investing into a little R&D in carrot cakes and non toxic bread recipes.   




Yachtie -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:20:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Hostess has argued that workers must make concessions as it tries to improve its financial position. The privately-held food maker filed for Chapter 11 protection in January, its second trip through bankruptcy court in less than a decade. Hostess cited increasing pension and medical costs for employees as one of the drivers behind its latest filing.

The company, founded in 1930, is fighting battles beyond labor costs, however. Competition is increasing in the snack space and Americans are increasingly conscious about healthy eating.


And Hostess may feel the brunt of that decision as well.



As was stated - we will close the entire company if widespread strikes cripple our business





Yachtie -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:21:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

So, selling sugar titties is not a viable business model in this day and age, too bad the company ownership sucked all the money out instead of investing into a little R&D in carrot cakes and non toxic bread recipes.   



Carrot cakes hardly needs any R&D. And your point is irrelevant.




tazzygirl -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:29:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

So, selling sugar titties is not a viable business model in this day and age, too bad the company ownership sucked all the money out instead of investing into a little R&D in carrot cakes and non toxic bread recipes.   



Carrot cakes hardly needs any R&D. And your point is irrelevant.


Its actually proving my point. This is a company that expects its employees to give in because their business model is failing. Employees say no, its not worth it. Hostess will eventually close, a new company will rise or expand, and life will go on.




mnottertail -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:31:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

So, selling sugar titties is not a viable business model in this day and age, too bad the company ownership sucked all the money out instead of investing into a little R&D in carrot cakes and non toxic bread recipes.   



Carrot cakes hardly needs any R&D. And your point is irrelevant.


Since the original whinge is beyond irrelevant, and very much mispronounced, lets call mine comic relief in a sea of drooling imbecility, wilb.




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