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LookieNoNookie -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 4:29:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Plop a restaurant down in the middle of a community then stop hiring from that community. Where are your customers going to come from? Three towns over?


You completely missed the point.

But here's one for you -

Hostess Brands Inc. is permanently closing three bakeries following a nationwide strike by its bakers union.

The maker of Twinkies, Ding Dongs and Wonder Bread said Monday that the strike has prevented it from producing and delivering products, and it is closing bakeries in Seattle, St. Louis and Cincinnati. The facilities employ 627 workers.

“We deeply regret this decision, but we have repeatedly explained that we will close facilities that are no longer able to produce and deliver products because of a work stoppage — and that we will close the entire company if widespread strikes cripple our business,” Hostess Brands CEO Gregory F. Rayburn said.


The Union sure does have the communities interests at heart, doesn't it.[8|]

The left does not realize that The Community shall lose when it butts heads hard enough with The Market.


Unbelievably well said.




tazzygirl -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 5:03:52 PM)

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Honey the clue store is open....I'll hold the damned door for you.


I suggest you hurry in, you need one badly.

I have worked in restaurants most of my life... waiting tables has been a source of income for me since I was 15.

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They'll stand in line in the rain. Hell, they'll pay people to stand in line for them.

They'll fly in.


I live in a foodie town. I have seen more than one restaurant close because of bad reviews. People who spend more than 6.99 a plate want to be catered to.... Those restaurants only keep the best of servers.

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Kiddo....this is NOT a 27 restaurant trial to make 27 restaurants more profitable, this is a 27 (or 100) restaurant trial to see how well it will work in all 10,000 (or 5,000....however many they have) restaurants across their entire spectrum.


Bubba, this isnt a trial... its a threat. One that isnt going to work. It has nothing to do with making them more profitable. They throw more than that out nightly in the trash.

And the number of restaurants is ...

Through subsidiaries, we own and operate more than 2,000 restaurants, employ 185,000 people and serve more than 400 million meals a year.

We have been through the numbers. Those actually losing insurance is somewhere around 10% or less of their work force. Again... this is not a test... its a threat.

Ya'll were freaking out that if the Republicans got in power, women were going to lose their rights across the country, even as that discussion has been happening since 1972 and NOTHING has changed.....yet you think this outlier is simply a basic test of how to improve results at 0.000173% of a major corporations assets?

Again, this has nothing to do with "improving"... this is all a threat. They very well could go through with it to all their stores.... and it may cripple the company as competitors implement the health care laws instead of trying to dodge them.

Bad service, no matter how good the food, results in no repeat business.




tazzygirl -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 5:05:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Hostess has argued that workers must make concessions as it tries to improve its financial position. The privately-held food maker filed for Chapter 11 protection in January, its second trip through bankruptcy court in less than a decade. Hostess cited increasing pension and medical costs for employees as one of the drivers behind its latest filing.

The company, founded in 1930, is fighting battles beyond labor costs, however. Competition is increasing in the snack space and Americans are increasingly conscious about healthy eating.


And Hostess may feel the brunt of that decision as well.


Yeah....you're right....Hostess is gonna close their doors.

(I'm sorry....possibly I missed something.....who exactly are the winners here?)


Pst.. Hostess has been in bankruptcy proceedings for a while.




Hillwilliam -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 5:07:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Hostess has argued that workers must make concessions as it tries to improve its financial position. The privately-held food maker filed for Chapter 11 protection in January, its second trip through bankruptcy court in less than a decade. Hostess cited increasing pension and medical costs for employees as one of the drivers behind its latest filing.

The company, founded in 1930, is fighting battles beyond labor costs, however. Competition is increasing in the snack space and Americans are increasingly conscious about healthy eating.


And Hostess may feel the brunt of that decision as well.


Yeah....you're right....Hostess is gonna close their doors.

(I'm sorry....possibly I missed something.....who exactly are the winners here?)


Pst.. Hostess has been in bankruptcy proceedings for a while.

Maybe they were behind the Colorado "Get out the pot" vote.




tazzygirl -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 5:13:54 PM)

hahahaha.... could be!




SilverMark -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 5:42:43 PM)

Funny thing about almost every one of the businesses mentioned, Dardens for example, how many full time employees per unit do they have?

WalMart, their healthcare plan has been complained about sine about 1997 or so, CONTINUOUSLY!...How many present employees qualify for health insurance?

Papa John's...their Pizza sucks and once again, how many full time employees really work in one of those cracker boxes? Somehow I doubt the Papa will have to sell his mote surrounded Castle!
maybe we should take up a collection for him?

The highest percentage of part-time workers work in Restaraunts and retail....Might be able to find some of this info on WalMart, Papa John's is privately held, and made up of franchises.

I would doubt many franchisees employ 50 people...

I think there is a lot posturing going on in most cases, and with WalMart, we'll they have proven over and over to be the least loyal shark in the water. I hope I live long enough to see them crash and burn! They sell very little from domestic sources, they treat people pretty horribly, they kill small town retailers, and they enrich themselves in doing harm. ( I really dis-like WalMart, could you tell?)







tazzygirl -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 6:00:41 PM)

1/4 is full time, including management




LookieNoNookie -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 6:30:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Honey the clue store is open....I'll hold the damned door for you.


I suggest you hurry in, you need one badly.

I have worked in restaurants most of my life... waiting tables has been a source of income for me since I was 15.



I guess I missed the part about how many 2,000 unit restaurant chains you've owned.




tazzygirl -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 6:31:10 PM)

I dont need to own any to understand how they work.

How many have you worked? We already know you havent owned any.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:08:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I dont need to own any to understand how they work.

How many have you worked? We already know you havent owned any.


That's correct, I've never owned a restaurant (and I never said or even suggested I did)....but I do own 3 other business, 1 is 36 years old (construction), 1 is 18 years old (licensing of patented products and procedures) and the last one is 5 years old (retail).

I don't need to own a restaurant to know that when Darden's annual corporate filings show their profit fell by 17% 2 years ago and the biggest issue for them was food wastage (one of your earlier comments as to where restaurants drop the ball) which they have largely resolved and profits came in around 5.2% (about double what most restaurants make on average) in the most recent quarter, which works out to approx. $675.00 per employee for the quarter, assuming extrapolation (which is always a fallacious way of determining year over year margins), comes to $2,700.00 per employee, and knowing that health care (at least at my firm) runs approx. $7,000.00 per employee annually....it's not rocket science to discern that doing anything they can to minimize their exposure to medical costs (knowing that it's essentially 2.6 times their profits) is probably something the Board wants the CEO to consider.

You don't have to be a baker to run a bakery. You do, however, have to have a basic knowledge of how a bakery runs.

Kneading dough and topping the pie off with cheese and salami however, doesn't quite measure up to that skill set.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:11:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Hostess has argued that workers must make concessions as it tries to improve its financial position. The privately-held food maker filed for Chapter 11 protection in January, its second trip through bankruptcy court in less than a decade. Hostess cited increasing pension and medical costs for employees as one of the drivers behind its latest filing.

The company, founded in 1930, is fighting battles beyond labor costs, however. Competition is increasing in the snack space and Americans are increasingly conscious about healthy eating.


And Hostess may feel the brunt of that decision as well.


Yeah....you're right....Hostess is gonna close their doors.

(I'm sorry....possibly I missed something.....who exactly are the winners here?)


Pst.. Hostess has been in bankruptcy proceedings for a while.


And?




thishereboi -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:24:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoundSlave4Life


I could be wrong, which I said I could be, but I'm pretty sure it's Illegal to fire someone for voting for who they wanted as president. Immoral? Absolutely!

Republicans are the first ones to talk about rights and blah blah blah, but when someone utilizes their right to vote, it makes them a slut, and gets them fired. Hypocrisy at it's finest.



Yes it is illegal to fire someone and I hope they can prove he did it and go after him. I am curious as to why you used the papa johns as the main example rather than that idiot. You might have gotten different responses. And as far as I know it is not illegal to say that you don't think you will have enough money to hire new people and may actually have to cut hours.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:27:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I dont need to own any to understand how they work.

How many have you worked? We already know you havent owned any.


By the way....just as an assist to help you with the math here...if Darden's profit was 5.2% (and it is) and they were essentially short by $4,300.00 per employee (based on their current profit, and they are) to pay the medical costs for their employees, then they'd clearly need (at the rate I pay for medical costs at my firm) an additional $4,300.00 per employee to pay said costs....and then....having done so....they'd have broken even.

Which comes to an additional 8.3%...if they opted to make a profit (which I would strongly encourage if they wanted to stay in business), and assuming they opted for a profit commensurate with the one they now enjoy (5.2%), prices would have to rise approx. 14% (or $2.38 per plate....not the 14 cents (1.40%) on a ten dollar purchase you submit.




tazzygirl -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:31:53 PM)

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I don't need to own a restaurant to know that when Darden's annual corporate filings show their profit fell by 17% 2 years ago and the biggest issue for them was food wastage (one of your earlier comments as to where restaurants drop the ball) which they have largely resolved and profits came in around 5.2% (about double what most restaurants make on average) in the most recent quarter, which works out to approx. $675.00 per employee for the quarter, assuming extrapolation (which is always a fallacious way of determining year over year margins), comes to $2,700.00 per employee, and knowing that health care (at least at my firm) runs approx. $7,000.00 per employee annually....it's not rocket science to discern that doing anything they can to minimize their exposure to medical costs (knowing that it's essentially 2.6 times their profits) is probably something the Board wants the CEO to consider.


Consider? Something I said.

You said its a done deal. Are you sure you have your mind made up yet?

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NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Darden Restaurants Inc.'s DRI -0.23% fiscal first-quarter earnings fell 5.8% as the casual-dining company continues to face the same problems of fiscal 2011: higher commodity costs, declining guests at Olive Garden and increasingly cost-conscious consumers.


Just what they need, higher food costs due to inaccurate service.... more disgruntled guests due to poor service....

Higher employee turnover results in higher food costs... did you know that?

So, let them do exactly what you claim they will do.

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You don't have to be a baker to run a bakery. You do, however, have to have a basic knowledge of how a bakery runs.


Knowing how to read doesnt make you an expert at how to run a specific business. There are many, many variables that balance sheet wont tell you. [;)]




LookieNoNookie -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:34:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Honey the clue store is open....I'll hold the damned door for you.


I suggest you hurry in, you need one badly.

I have worked in restaurants most of my life... waiting tables has been a source of income for me since I was 15.

quote:

They'll stand in line in the rain. Hell, they'll pay people to stand in line for them.

They'll fly in.


I live in a foodie town. I have seen more than one restaurant close because of bad reviews. People who spend more than 6.99 a plate want to be catered to.... Those restaurants only keep the best of servers.

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Kiddo....this is NOT a 27 restaurant trial to make 27 restaurants more profitable, this is a 27 (or 100) restaurant trial to see how well it will work in all 10,000 (or 5,000....however many they have) restaurants across their entire spectrum.


Bubba, this isnt a trial... its a threat. One that isnt going to work. It has nothing to do with making them more profitable. They throw more than that out nightly in the trash.

And the number of restaurants is ...

Through subsidiaries, we own and operate more than 2,000 restaurants, employ 185,000 people and serve more than 400 million meals a year.

We have been through the numbers. Those actually losing insurance is somewhere around 10% or less of their work force. Again... this is not a test... its a threat.

Ya'll were freaking out that if the Republicans got in power, women were going to lose their rights across the country, even as that discussion has been happening since 1972 and NOTHING has changed.....yet you think this outlier is simply a basic test of how to improve results at 0.000173% of a major corporations assets?

Again, this has nothing to do with "improving"... this is all a threat. They very well could go through with it to all their stores.... and it may cripple the company as competitors implement the health care laws instead of trying to dodge them.

Bad service, no matter how good the food, results in no repeat business.


hahahahahahaha....now THAT's funny.

I love how you combined "$6.99 a plate" and "best" (of anything) in the same sentence.

I'm going to hook you up with a friend of mine who hires comedians. You have a future.




tazzygirl -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:36:00 PM)

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Which comes to an additional 8.3%...if they opted to make a profit (which I would strongly encourage if they wanted to stay in business), and assuming they opted for a profit commensurate with the one they now enjoy (5.2%), prices would have to rise approx. 14% (or $2.38 per plate....not the 14 cents (1.40%) on a ten dollar purchase you submit.


Do try to read with a bit more comprehension. The 14 cents was Papa Johns.

The pizza chain head has made his views on the Affordable Care Act clear in recent months, claiming the new health care law will cost his business about $5 to $8 million per year. To compensate Schnatter's said he will likely raise pizza prices and cut back some workers’ hours so he doesn’t have to insure them.

Caleb Melby of Forbes has graciously done the math on Obamacare’s cost to Papa John’s and according to his analysis, to cover the cost of Obamacare, the pizza chain would have to raise prices by 3.4 to 4.6 cents per pie -- way less than the 11 to 14 cents Schnatter claims he needs.

And there are other changes the chain could make to save some money, Melby notes, like not giving away 2 million pizzas for free at a cost of between $24 and $32 million to the company, for example.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/papa-johns-obamacare_n_2123207.html

He made the claim.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:37:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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I don't need to own a restaurant to know that when Darden's annual corporate filings show their profit fell by 17% 2 years ago and the biggest issue for them was food wastage (one of your earlier comments as to where restaurants drop the ball) which they have largely resolved and profits came in around 5.2% (about double what most restaurants make on average) in the most recent quarter, which works out to approx. $675.00 per employee for the quarter, assuming extrapolation (which is always a fallacious way of determining year over year margins), comes to $2,700.00 per employee, and knowing that health care (at least at my firm) runs approx. $7,000.00 per employee annually....it's not rocket science to discern that doing anything they can to minimize their exposure to medical costs (knowing that it's essentially 2.6 times their profits) is probably something the Board wants the CEO to consider.


Consider? Something I said.

You said its a done deal. Are you sure you have your mind made up yet?

quote:

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Darden Restaurants Inc.'s DRI -0.23% fiscal first-quarter earnings fell 5.8% as the casual-dining company continues to face the same problems of fiscal 2011: higher commodity costs, declining guests at Olive Garden and increasingly cost-conscious consumers.


Just what they need, higher food costs due to inaccurate service.... more disgruntled guests due to poor service....

Higher employee turnover results in higher food costs... did you know that?

So, let them do exactly what you claim they will do.

quote:

You don't have to be a baker to run a bakery. You do, however, have to have a basic knowledge of how a bakery runs.


Knowing how to read doesnt make you an expert at how to run a specific business. There are many, many variables that balance sheet wont tell you. [;)]


Okay Taz....you win...I accept defeat.

I've run businesses successfully for nearly 37 years, some that sell products (to date) in 17 countries.

You've waited tables at restaurants that charge the whopping charge of $6.99 a plate so they demand the "best" servers.

I bow down.

You know business.

I sit corrected.




tazzygirl -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:37:56 PM)

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I love how you combined "$6.99 a plate" and "best" (of anything) in the same sentence.


You still have problems understanding the written word.

I have seen more than one restaurant close because of bad reviews. People who spend more than 6.99 a plate want to be catered to.... Those restaurants only keep the best of servers.

Last I saw, a pasta bowl meal was 6.99 at OG.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:38:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Which comes to an additional 8.3%...if they opted to make a profit (which I would strongly encourage if they wanted to stay in business), and assuming they opted for a profit commensurate with the one they now enjoy (5.2%), prices would have to rise approx. 14% (or $2.38 per plate....not the 14 cents (1.40%) on a ten dollar purchase you submit.


Do try to read with a bit more comprehension. The 14 cents was Papa Johns.

The pizza chain head has made his views on the Affordable Care Act clear in recent months, claiming the new health care law will cost his business about $5 to $8 million per year. To compensate Schnatter's said he will likely raise pizza prices and cut back some workers’ hours so he doesn’t have to insure them.

Caleb Melby of Forbes has graciously done the math on Obamacare’s cost to Papa John’s and according to his analysis, to cover the cost of Obamacare, the pizza chain would have to raise prices by 3.4 to 4.6 cents per pie -- way less than the 11 to 14 cents Schnatter claims he needs.

And there are other changes the chain could make to save some money, Melby notes, like not giving away 2 million pizzas for free at a cost of between $24 and $32 million to the company, for example.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/papa-johns-obamacare_n_2123207.html

He made the claim.



I didn't argue your claim of 14 cents....I argued your claim of 1.4%.

It's ridiculous and absurd.




tazzygirl -> RE: How low will major companies go? (11/13/2012 7:39:23 PM)

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Okay Taz....you win...I accept defeat.

I've run businesses successfully for nearly 37 years, some that sell products (to date) in 17 countries.

You've waited tables at restaurants that charge the whopping charge of $6.99 a plate so they demand the "best" servers.

I bow down.

You know business.

I sit corrected.


My average table check is up to 200 for a couple... and thats without wine. My largest to date was over 3000 for a party of 20.

Considering your only experience is eating at one... yeah... you should listen.




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