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TreasureKY -> RE: The White Female Vote in America (11/12/2012 2:16:33 PM)
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
Fine. My OP is searching for the reasons why white married women voted the way you do. Obviously equal pay is not a big issue for you as you are a business owner (so you fit some of the other categories of people that I mentioned earlier to - you are probably better off than the average woman, too). So nothing about you doesn't fit my analysis. You are conservative, you are well off, and you don't care about women's economic issues such as equal pay. So no one's arguing with you. Why would someone like you vote with people who actually care about others? You are voting EXACTLY how someone like you would be predicted to vote.
And as you've expressed interest in knowing why, I've tried to explain it to you from my particular circumstances. What I find interesting is you say you don't understand why, yet you claim that our behavior is so predictable. If we're that predictable, then why on earth are you searching for reasons? Or are you just being obtuse?
With regard to your snide comment that I've bolded above, it is this particular attitude that I (and many other conservatives) find absolutely abhorrent. How dare you judge me as not caring about others! It is this blanket demonization that makes the Democratic party so completely distasteful to me. I don't agree exactly with how you prioritize your concerns, so I must not actually care about people. [8|]
While Firm and I bring in a very lucrative income, it has not always been that way and may not always stay that way. I care about everyone's economic issues... not just those belonging to women. In the grand scheme of economics, fair pay for women... while noteworthy... is NOT at the top of my list. There are a great many more issues that I consider much more important to consider.
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
Your posts about equal pay indicate a lack of understanding of what the term means. You can do your own research on that.
My career prior to owning a business (2008) was in Human Resource management. I'm fully aware of what equal pay means, and, unless you've also spent over 20 years in the Human Resources field, I suspect have a deeper understanding than you.
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
Your statement that it does not matter what others earn is one of the singlemost ridiculous things I have heard about pay and discrimination. I guess you don't believe in minimum wage laws, or anything like that either. (Not surprising as you are a business owner, but how very telling). And it is interesting that you don't think equal/fair pay affects you as a business owner. I guess you feel entitled to discriminate and pay women/men/whoever less than others doing the same job should you hire them, because as you've stated, "what others earn is irrelevant". Fair pay does affect employers. Because they are supposed to follow the law (or do you believe you are above the law?)
The idea of refraining from complaining if your own pay that you agreed to is not equal to that of others is not a new notion. I'm sorry if you find that ridiculous.
It is your own assumption that I don't believe in minimum wage. I said nothing of the sort. Again... the "if you're not in total agreement with me, you must be totally against me" mentality. While I do believe that the market should regulate itself, I do recognize that it is unlikely to happen in all cases. I see nothing wrong with the Government setting a minimum wage.
And whether you find it interesting or not, fair pay issues do NOT affect me as a business owner. I was speaking from my own particular circumstances. If I employed any people, I would not feel entitled to discriminate against them with regard to pay or any other issue. But I wouldn't regardless of whether or not there were a Federal law against it. By the way, my comment, "it makes no difference what the person next to you is making" was referring to a worker's point of view... not an employer's.
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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
Republicans have have not been supportive of equal pay initiatives that enable people to sue for discrimination (the only possible redress that women have). For Republicans to support the idea that the Statute of Limitations runs from the first moment of the discriminatory act, and not from the discovery of the unequal pay, essentially takes away any real recourse for women. One might as well not have a law that prohibits pay discrimination, because if it is so difficult to sue then what is the point of it.
Do you know why the Republicans who opposed that law, did so?
I find it interesting that the Democrats (who actually care so very much about the poor women in the US) didn't actually take the steps necessary to make an effective and enforceable law. If they were so very interested in making sure that pay was equal, rather than simply adjust the time that lawsuits could be filed (which might never happen at any rate if women aren't aware discrimination has taken place... and require women to have the financial resources to bring a civil lawsuit), they could have written a law that required full disclosure of compensation rates by companies (both to the public AND in annual reports to the Government), as well as made non-compliance of equal pay an offense prosecutable by the Department of Labor.
But I guess the Democrats don't actually care about equal pay for women, either.
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