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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 2:39:47 PM   
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We didn't meet -- I couldn't' get to FL. We yahoo'd I'm a bit and when he said his cpu was jacked I believed him, mine has done that repeatedly. We had a lot of conversations. He knew the lingo and jargon of the trade he professed and he was very persuasive about life and experiences.... He knew to much about things to not be credible. I know that it isn't real -- based on the name he gave does not exist in "any" data base. The company he works for/owns does exist but with a different name as the owner. The only reason I know any of this is because when his phone butt dialed (hate when that happens) my suspicious went up (female voice in background) and so I was speaking with a good friend and they took it upon themselves to have an "extensive" search done on the company et al. sun biz.or amazing what you can learn. i.e. the phone number with his name and company name comes back to another person. a yahoo search revealed the actual person with a picture and it was the wrong race. The search was in-depth enough that I know he is very successful, but he doesn't do the job he claimed, nor is he black. Again the name he gave is not his. For me closure would be to physically see from a distance that I am write and the paperwork is correct. He bailed so he knows the gig is up. I won't hurt him as a person because we all have to work. I guess I will never have the answers as to the why... but I wanted the closure of seeing that all the reports/docs were real. He won't talk on the phone and the text was limited and defensive, attempting to dom me into backing down the path. Can't close the door once the horse is out of the stable.. The house/car/phone all match - as well as amended data twisted just enough to be real.

i just want to see for myself what a fool I was. It is part of that whole closure thing. I won't confront, not my style but I will confirm. I even found his Facebook under his real name. Matches all the stuff he said ... have to study. Thank you all for the thoughts.... For a first experience this was a doosie. if he was who he said he was he could have settled it easily with a pic .. he wouldn't send one. He grabbed someone's pics -- they are beautiful..... happy holidays all....

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 2:39:53 PM   
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Call me a cynic, but I'm with everhope on this. The op not only references race often, but the little
dig about the white man being jealous of the Big Black Cock and the reference to the Fl Mandingos
is just a little bit fishy.

OP, in the event this isn't an attempt at creative writing, please learn to research anyone you come
in contact with online, prior to becoming compelled to submit to them. Google is a great tool,
and tinyeye can be used to verify if his images are posted elsewhere, and often times, will link directly
to the person who actually owns them.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 2:47:52 PM   
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Let's see. He shows a lot of signs of not being on the up and up and you fall for it and he is the bad guy?

You just set yourself up and need someone to blame because you can't admit your own role in this. Wake up... or do it again, many that do this must do it repeatedly, but don't blame it on d/s relationships.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 2:49:12 PM   
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I understand what you are saying and I was cautious to begin with. I did have someone do a "brief"check to make sure he wasn't a bad guy. I just started and through some months we have grown closer. I am never walking down the isle and for the past months was wrapped up in studying so the distance wasn't an issue. I can't relocate for a few years due to my job/career but we spoke a lot about the future and what we both want.

Did I connect with him absolutely -- now that I am in the position to meet -- I got the push off a bit and was advised that was the "dom/sub" relationship, when the dom sets the pace and makes the decision of when/where. Still have things going on here so it wasn't the worst thing. I am at fault for trusting him. Still would have if hadn't had the phone issue alert.

I am mentally hurt because I believed that we connected and now I see/learn that I was just easily played by an expert. I am a pretty savvy person but it is easier to be on the outside looking at something than on the inside/involved. Big businessmen have an ability to read and he may actually be in this life style and have a very good working knowledge of it all. Don't know, but when I did raise questions, he always had plausible answers. Alas, I had no reason to suspect. I was not planning to jump tomorrow but was lining up time to spend with him. To learn that when I was finally in a position to meet that it was all a sham -- that is the hardest part. Clearly you don't want to have to research every person you meet......

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 2:52:06 PM   
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This wasn't a scam and if you view my website you will see what I was referring to. Again, I won't hurt anyone 'do unto other what you want done onto you." I did have someone check the name and nothing popped. So thought was legit. I couldn't find then company on line but it is legit just a different named owner -- the real named owner! He adv he was a member of the FL mandingos and seemed to have inside knowledge of workings et al. I am new so didn't know and not an easy thing to research..... I am going to write the websites you referenced -- won't make this mistake in the future.....

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 2:53:34 PM   
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An expert? Honey, come on. An expert con man online would find a way to make sure he called you at some point even if it were when he was going to the store to get baby food. This wasn't an expert. This was a guy player that found a gullible, unrealistic girl that would lie to herself that rushed into dynamics before she should have.

Just stop it. Nobody is falling for the innocent victim story.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 2:54:41 PM   
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What website?  'CHOCOLATE'?

This is the most long winded, torturous pitch to hit a website to date.  When will the website be revealed?  Tune in in another 100 pages and find out.........

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 2:58:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: stormy66
Again, I won't hurt anyone 'do unto other what you want done onto you."


So, basically, you'll just let him do it to somebody else.....


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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 4:50:12 PM   
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quote:

I got the push off a bit and was advised that was the "dom/sub" relationship, when the dom sets the pace and makes the decision of when/where.


You are not his sub yet. You have never met him. You were considering being his sub and as such, you get to set the pace until you are comfortable.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 4:55:37 PM   
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quote:

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i am starting to think the owners of CM are paying people to write these stories.

i have been fooled a time or two online, but i had enough sense not to write a post about it.

WHO are these people?



According to the site, the OP and I are 8 miles apart and I have invited her to go to a munch or for coffee.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 5:09:01 PM   
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quote:

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i just want to see for myself what a fool I was. It is part of that whole closure thing. I won't confront, not my style but I will confirm. I even found his Facebook under his real name. Matches all the stuff he said ... have to study. Thank you all for the thoughts.... For a first experience this was a doosie. if he was who he said he was he could have settled it easily with a pic .. he wouldn't send one. He grabbed someone's pics -- they are beautiful..... happy holidays all....


Sorry, I have no patience for a grown up woman like you. If this is for real, you already know what a fool you were and still are for going on and on about this. You actually sound stalkerish and obsessed. It is scary to me.

I had a guy last year from OKCupid chat with me and we had a few nice chats, saw his photo, blah blah blah and when I said we had to meet in real life he freaked out and confessed that was not his photo, but he "could explain it". I told him to explain it to his ass, which is where is head obviously was. Did I freak out and insist on meeting him so I could yell at him? Hell no, why waste any more precious time. Next.

You already know that people LIE, hello? Internet dating is like that. You do not engage with some guy you have not met for months and months and who gets that invested that they get so disappointed in someone sending fake pics? Jeez.

I am sorry you are hurt, but lady, really...if you go to Florida for "closure" you are a bigger fool than I can give advice to.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 5:27:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

ORIGINAL: everhope

i am starting to think the owners of CM are paying people to write these stories.

i have been fooled a time or two online, but i had enough sense not to write a post about it.

WHO are these people?



According to the site, the OP and I are 8 miles apart and I have invited her to go to a munch or for coffee.


That's really nice, Kali


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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 5:30:30 PM   
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quote:

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i just want to see for myself what a fool I was. It is part of that whole closure thing. I won't confront, not my style but I will confirm. I even found his Facebook under his real name. Matches all the stuff he said ... have to study. Thank you all for the thoughts.... For a first experience this was a doosie. if he was who he said he was he could have settled it easily with a pic .. he wouldn't send one. He grabbed someone's pics -- they are beautiful..... happy holidays all....


Sorry, I have no patience for a grown up woman like you. If this is for real, you already know what a fool you were and still are for going on and on about this. You actually sound stalkerish and obsessed. It is scary to me.

I had a guy last year from OKCupid chat with me and we had a few nice chats, saw his photo, blah blah blah and when I said we had to meet in real life he freaked out and confessed that was not his photo, but he "could explain it". I told him to explain it to his ass, which is where is head obviously was. Did I freak out and insist on meeting him so I could yell at him? Hell no, why waste any more precious time. Next.

You already know that people LIE, hello? Internet dating is like that. You do not engage with some guy you have not met for months and months and who gets that invested that they get so disappointed in someone sending fake pics? Jeez.

I am sorry you are hurt, but lady, really...if you go to Florida for "closure" you are a bigger fool than I can give advice to.


I have to agree. OP, you're giving some guy you've never met way too much power over you. (You're letting him live in your head rent free)

Not to mention, wasting the money to go from Massachusetts to Florida.


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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 6:21:33 PM   
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I hate to break it to you, stormy, but you just flunked Internet Dating 101.

Here's a cheat sheet for your next final:

DO remind yourself that internet dating 'potentials' are complete and utter strangers, and you should take steps to ensure your anonymity until trust has been established. THIS TAKES TIME.

DO chat with a new 'potential' using email or instant messaging until you get a feel for the person, and have established you have some interests in common.

DO ensure that your full name is never listed in the email or IM service you plan to use for new potentials.

DO use a cell phone and block your name from appearing, once you feel comfortable enough to get to the phone stage (this should be sooner as opposed to later).

DO send a face picture, once you are comfortable doing so.

DO NOT send any picture to a stranger that you don't want spread all over the internet.

DO understand that many people lie in this venue, about their pictures, their age, their martial status, their income, etc. Pay attention to all conversations, and looks for obvious red flags, like only sending one face pic, and not being able to follow it up with another candid shot.

Do pay attention to what the person does, not merely what they say. Do they call when they say they will? Do they answer their cell phone most of the time during non working hours? Are you allowed to call late?

DO NOT become overly involved with any individual unless and until you meet. Do not give them too much of your time, or too much of your heart. Understand that until you meet, you have no idea if there will be chemistry, if they are who they say they are, or if they will even show up.

DO NOT enter into a dom/sub or master/slave dynamic with someone you have never met.

DO plan to meet ASAP once you've established they could be a potential match. Make sure the meeting is in a public place.

DO NOT give out your full name, real phone number, real email or IM nick, or anything that can be traced back to you unless and until you meet the 'potential' and have determined you have chemistry, could be a good match, and he/she is not a stalker type.

Does everyone follow these rules? Absolutely not. I haven't always. But I have a fairly good feel for when I'm being lied to or conned.

Unless and until you can develop some internet 'street' smarts, I suggest following theses fairly simple rules.

Also, stormy you are in MASS, right? You live in a heavily populated area with a very active REAL TIME kink scene. Join in.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 6:23:36 PM   
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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 6:25:23 PM   
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Hello,
Thanks for your input. First, not knowing about the life style, he was calling and conversating 3 or 4 x a day because of the distance and interested in me and discussing life, I listened and looked for any tales signs. I had cpu issues during the beginning but switched to a new cpu so my cam wasn't working, so we exchanged pics. Then it was his cam wasn't working and it was his busy season -- so for several months while I was emerged in school work he was hammered at his job .. it made sense based on his occupation.

There were instances that I did ask questions but was informed that the dom makes the decisions for various things and it was part of the mental aspect of the lifestyle. It didn't all necessarily make sense but he was very attentive for the most part and then we were both busy. I couldn't travel until at this point and I wasn't concerned that much but during the time we both shared thoughts of the present // thoughts of what we saw the future (each of our selves-directions of life/work) and what we both enjoyed on the vanilla side. he educated me on the BDSM lifestyle and I tried to learn from what he was stating. I am not in love with him or anything like that. But I have grown to care about the person that he portrayed himself to be. The picture that was on my phone. When his ring tone went off it was always a pleasing mental trigger.

So for whomever has read or following the posting trail. He got me at a vulnerable time, he has an awesome personality (from what I experienced) he is a broker (so I guess you could say a salesman), and I wanted to believe everything he was selling. I even brought up why me, and out of state -- I was sure there were plenty of blue/blondes in FL that would jump at the opportunity to be with the guy in the pics -- his response was my personality, looks and willingness to learn. Guess I was the fish waiting for the baited hook. I feel better after writing and reading the responses.

I figure that god pays his debts without money and eventually he will take on the wrong person and a rich house or fancy footwork won't get him out of the glue. It is definitely his loss in the long run ... I also wanted to ensure that any subs that are reading my trail will know to beware of him on this site. I won't hurt him, I am not like that but I also won't just quietly back away... Other females should know so they are not caught unawares. happy holidays to you.....


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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 6:27:12 PM   
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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 6:30:48 PM   
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You need to now view EVERYTHING he has said as a lie...he lied about very basic, simple info so I wouldn't bother feeling sorry for him or thinking he really had a sub who got cancer.. And, as far as going to FL to "confront him" Why? Are you going there for vacation? Doesn't matter..I guarantee he will either give you the run around (meet me here at 12...then at 12, he will "no show" or he will spin another lie that gets money or sex out f you). You are looking at it like he is a good man who may have valid reasons for his lies but, fact is, you are probably not the only one & he is a user who sees no moral dilemma twisting the truth to get what he wants... I would cut my losses, (PS-take down that you are owned by him on your profile) also, look at his profile, he doesn't mention being involved with anyone.... Cut your losses, if you are going to FL don't even BOTHEER to look him up, talk.. (Unlike the guy who said you would end up in a body bag...I believe these guys are complete cowards & he will just run u in circles or avoid you until you are back at your computer). If you want an AA man, find one who lives locally, talk a few times online then meet in a public place for coffee or a drink..

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 6:34:16 PM   
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Hello,
Thanks for the tips. Ironically when someone checked him out no flags popped up. Everyone wants pictures right off the bat and I won't send any body shots....
I did follow some of the rules you listed. I only have myself to blame, I had met someone and he turned out to be a cad in the vanilla world so I when he was so knowledgeable and personable et al, we had quite a bit of common ground and thru time and conversations he wooed me...

I won't engage in anything in MA due to my job. Thus FL was cool because I eventually plan on heading in that direction for retirement..... I am down there for work quite a bit so that also works well for me.

It just bites that this happen before the holidays. I am sure that he will read the threads and understand that while I won't hurt him personally or professionally, I won't sit quietly so some other female will see his beautiful smile and body and believe that it is really him. Hey it's a good learning lesson and it didn't cost me anything except some nice clothes for a visit and some mental time. Again, I do believe that god pays his debts without money and he will meet up with the wrong person. A fancy expensive house won't shield you from bs.... Happy Holidays to you and thanks for the responses.

It is nice to know what the interaction is with the dom / sub vice what folks are trying to tell you it is....

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 6:40:19 PM   
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Hello
Thanks for the response. i can't and won't hurt him but just the point that folks are viewing my profile gets the word out ... girls will talk and word will spread and eventually when he attempts to plan/deceive someone else ... they may/will have heard or read and will avoid him. Maybe then he will be true to who he is and not have a cultural identity crisis.... Like I said he brought me some enjoyable mental moments of friendship (I thought) when I needed it, but also I lost a few things in that i made him the priority and the thoughts we discussed about life etc more a possibility. I didn't lose any money just my confidence in believing most people would be real. The pics look so real -- the ones he gave me even more so. Lesson learned. happy holidays to you....

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