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RE: ask the Masters - 11/16/2012 1:17:06 AM   
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The whole 'warning other women' is a waste of time. Unless the woman you are warning happens to be a good friend of yours and knows you well enough to take you at face value, why would she care?

Actually, Carol's entire circle of friends warned her strongly about me when we first met. And lo! They were right! I've clapped a cold steel collar around her neck and enslaved her. Oh wait. That wasn't their worry. They were concerned I was a player.

So there you had an entire group of her closest friends vs. me... the new guy she had met yesterday. I won. I'm skeptical that such warnings work out even in real world encounters and with real close friends much less over the internet.

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I think once you have calmed down you will realise this warning is more about revenge than helping others.

And THIS is why I like you. Damn you for being married, 20 years my junior, and on the other side of the globe *shakes fist angrily*



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RE: ask the Masters - 11/16/2012 3:58:07 AM   
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Hey everyone -- all the information was noted and I won't say the shock has worn off but reality has set in .... I do believe things happen for a reason and I learned a very valuable lesson without investing money et al. I had something "similar" to what Boundslave4life stated but now I am wiser. Pride, ego and feeling can all heal with time. Again -- I don't care enough to waste my time wanting revenge ... frustrated that the view shown wasn't real but I do believe that we all receive the bad we have done to others so that being said, someone will do the same to him.

I guess my posting and dialogue was to see if others had seen or gone thru similar -- I wasn't the only gullible person out there. Thru listening to everyone I have a better understanding of the site and the interactions of D/S vice just what he spouted/slanted/educated me with.

I do thank everyone for the responses and hope you all have a wonderful holiday season....


No, you are not the only person that has ever been lied to via the net. In fact, I would say that over 90% of the people that contact me, on the other side, that are NOT forum participants, are lying...........in some form or another. Usually, because I don't feed their goals, they don't get past one or two emails. But yes, I've had more than I can remember with the persistence to even get beyond that. I remember one 'woman' who finally decided she would talk via phone. She had said she was in Arizona, her phone number was Canadian. "She' kept wanting to talk about kink, alternating with questions about where I worked, lived etc.... and accused me of being a fake when I wouldn't comply. 'She' was also a HE, using something/doing something to sound like a SHE. I hung up on him.

Another young woman, after multiple emails, chats, and phone conversations........admitted that she was married.......and pregnant with her second child. That I was just a cool little fantasy for her to pass time. That she had no intention of following through with our scheduled meeting the following week. I wished her luck and advised her to quit playing role playing games without letting the other person in on the game at the beginning.

And on and on........

The difference is that, the first was a good laugh for me (except for the 30 dollar charge on my cell phone bill) and the second was barely even a minor annoyance.

Until I've spent real physical time with a person, I am simply not emotionally invested. I KNOW that there is a HUGE possibility that they are hiding something. I had a woman turn up to a meeting, a good 10 years older than her photos, and with her husband and 4 kids, one she'd just given birth to. All facts she had neglected to mention. I wished them luck and walked away humming a little tune, shaking my head.

Not to say I haven't had great meetings with fabulous women. Because I have. One would possibly be here, mine, if other life issues for her hadn't gotten in the way. We remain friends.

You handle your life, your way. But the best advice I can give is to sloooooooowwwwwwww down. Take the time to get to know them. Be very cautiously optimistic and don't get emotionally invested until you've gotten to know the man, more than a character that he, and YOU have created with your fantasies.


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RE: ask the Masters - 11/16/2012 4:08:39 AM   
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And THIS is why I like you. Damn you for being married, 20 years my junior, and on the other side of the globe *shakes fist angrily*




No amount of flattery is going to get me into your harem Jeff! Do carry on though, I enjoy it.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/17/2012 3:52:38 PM   
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A guy I went out with on a dating site wasn't using a real picture. I gave him a chance because:
He told me BEFORE we met after we talked a bit
He explained why he used it (embarrassed to be using a dating site)
He used his own race >.>
He was local
It was a picture of a celebrity and not a random lol

On sites like this it might make sense to use a fake pic to avoid identification or even just being shy. I can even understand a day or two of fibbing.
But this guy was never going to tell you and never panned on meeting.
And even if he did, how would he go about telling you?
Stop talking to this guy asap. You're just causing yourself problems.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/17/2012 3:59:22 PM   
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A guy I went out with on a dating site wasn't using a real picture. I gave him a chance because:
He told me BEFORE we met after we talked a bit
He explained why he used it (embarrassed to be using a dating site)
He used his own race >.>
He was local
It was a picture of a celebrity and not a random lol

On sites like this it might make sense to use a fake pic to avoid identification or even just being shy. I can even understand a day or two of fibbing.
But this guy was never going to tell you and never panned on meeting.
And even if he did, how would he go about telling you?
Stop talking to this guy asap. You're just causing yourself problems.


I would rather that someone used no picture or a landscape rather than doing the bait and switch. The bait and switch would have been a deal breaker for me.


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RE: ask the Masters - 11/17/2012 6:55:44 PM   
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Hello,
I stopped texting after I said what I had to say that night. He didn't have the umph to talk on the phone, which had told me more than I needed to know and made me angry that he had no b's to comforth when confronted. I was "paranoid, impatient and acting like a child." I thought those were quiet ironic but during that text session, since he hadn't been willing to speak, I asked him who was i being paranoid about the name he gave me or the name that was actually his? After writing about it, I got it out of my system. If he pops into my thoughts now it is with feeling sadness for someone who thinks so little of themselves that they have to pass themselves off as another. You really have to feel bad for someone who is so lacking in the areas of self-confidence and character-- that their life is a living lie.

Again, lesson learned and it's his loss, not mine!!!

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/18/2012 12:06:34 AM   
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It sounds like you are doing better already, I'm glad to hear it.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/19/2012 4:07:52 PM   
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LOL I talked to a 'black' guy in South Florida and the first thing I said to him was, "You sound white." He asked what does, "Black sound like?" LOL. I have been dating black men for years and normally they have a different accent...there have been a few who do not have that accent and the response from them is always, "Nope I don't have that brown sound," so they know exactly what I am talking about. Needless to say, he immediately got hung up on because I hate those who lie about stuff like that....he did keep texting me offering to send more pictures LOL like that was going to help until I blocked him from calling or texting. If he happens to be the same guy, don't worry about hurting his feelings if he is 'man' enough to lie, he is 'man' enough to take hard rejection.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/20/2012 5:55:29 AM   
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Morning,
He sounded it to me, I have worked with a lot of various cultures -- if his profile began with a "d" then it is probably the same individual. Over, his loss. You figure he will get his in time .... someone will play him at his own game. Happy Thanksgiving.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/20/2012 5:57:49 AM   
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I made a typo ... if it began with an "h."

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/20/2012 5:58:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders


quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

And THIS is why I like you. Damn you for being married, 20 years my junior, and on the other side of the globe *shakes fist angrily*




No amount of flattery is going to get me into your harem Jeff! Do carry on though, I enjoy it.


I agree. Jeff is really awful to try to pull this stuff on you. Please feel free to tell me about it. Can I get you something while you do? Are you comfortable?



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RE: ask the Masters - 11/20/2012 7:42:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lilcracker

LOL I talked to a 'black' guy in South Florida and the first thing I said to him was, "You sound white." He asked what does, "Black sound like?" LOL. I have been dating black men for years and normally they have a different accent...there have been a few who do not have that accent and the response from them is always, "Nope I don't have that brown sound," so they know exactly what I am talking about. Needless to say, he immediately got hung up on because I hate those who lie about stuff like that....he did keep texting me offering to send more pictures LOL like that was going to help until I blocked him from calling or texting. If he happens to be the same guy, don't worry about hurting his feelings if he is 'man' enough to lie, he is 'man' enough to take hard rejection.


Wait. I'm confused. Because a guy didn't sound the way you assume a black man should sound, and because he didn't respond to your "you sound white" comment the way you think a black man should respond, you instantly assume he was a liar?

Wow. I'm sorry, but I don't follow your logic.

I've had other gay men tell me that I don't sound or act gay, and instead of giving the response you seem to expect, one of "Yeah, I know, I don't sound gay," I always ask "And what does a gay man sound or act like?"

I do that because I detest stereotypes that all gay people have to act or speak a certain way. Could it be possible that he just didn't like the implication that, because he was black, he was supposed to speak the way you think he should?

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/20/2012 7:52:21 AM   
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Her logic is that she's attracted to the stereotype, rather than an actual human being.

I used to be much, much more overweight than I am now. I used to get comments all the time that I didn't "sound fat" ... I even had a guy comment that I didn't order enough food when he took me out to eat. He felt that I was eating less than I normally would to try to impress him or make myself seem thinner. (LOL?)

People get attached the the concept of dating or having sex with a stereotype and it rocks their world when actual human beings defy their preconceived notions.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/20/2012 7:57:48 AM   
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You didn't "sound fat?" Okay, that's a new one on me!

I think there are a lot of people out there like that - ones who get caught up on the notion of dating a certain "type" of person. They want a black guy who sounds like he is straight out of a Spike Lee movie. They want a gay man who acts like RuPaul. They want an overweight person who eats a bucket of chicken for breakfast. Etc, etc. They live in a world of stereotypes and self-serving interests. Sure, they want a member of their desired demographic, so long as that person reinforces all the stereotypes they love and think are so important.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/20/2012 10:53:16 AM   
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I am not overly sure about that. I have discovered of late that I enjoy the company more of a BM (when I was looking this past spring). Thru my experiences I found that they were more appreciative and sincere. Now those were my experiences and I am sure that there are others who have had different experiences.

It wasn't the stereotype for me, it was the personality I found that was attached to many BM I encountered. No more no less -- I am sure there are many who can dispute this because we are a melting pot of society and depending on what corner of the world we come from our experiences will be very different.... I find a dark body hotter than a white body at present. We all change as we get older.....

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/20/2012 11:04:46 AM   
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We all have our own preferences.

I'm not sure how many black males would want to be referred to as BM, though.

(Just sayin.)


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RE: ask the Masters - 11/20/2012 11:22:19 AM   
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Ya, BM for Black Male doesn't even appear on the first three pages of urbandictionary.com http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BM&page=3



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RE: ask the Masters - 11/20/2012 12:55:32 PM   
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Her logic is that she's attracted to the stereotype, rather than an actual human being.

I used to be much, much more overweight than I am now. I used to get comments all the time that I didn't "sound fat" ... I even had a guy comment that I didn't order enough food when he took me out to eat. He felt that I was eating less than I normally would to try to impress him or make myself seem thinner. (LOL?)

People get attached the the concept of dating or having sex with a stereotype and it rocks their world when actual human beings defy their preconceived notions.

Gee thanks for the analysis freud!

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/20/2012 12:58:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lilcracker


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ORIGINAL: rhymeswithcupid

Her logic is that she's attracted to the stereotype, rather than an actual human being.

I used to be much, much more overweight than I am now. I used to get comments all the time that I didn't "sound fat" ... I even had a guy comment that I didn't order enough food when he took me out to eat. He felt that I was eating less than I normally would to try to impress him or make myself seem thinner. (LOL?)

People get attached the the concept of dating or having sex with a stereotype and it rocks their world when actual human beings defy their preconceived notions.

Gee thanks for the analysis freud!

Based on your previous post, it seems to me that she's right.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/20/2012 1:10:57 PM   
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I find a dark body hotter than a white body at present.
That is exactly how I feel. I did date a black man long term who I did meet online, he was highly educated and had no accent. It was quite some time before we met offline...and I did used to joke that he might be white. One thing he did not do was jump right into some sort of sexual talk like the dude from Florida did and that was the biggest reason he go hung up on....but the point is people like what they like. Stormy I have no idea what his chat name was anymore it was eon's ago....and I doubt I will ever seek online again....distance sucks, wankers suck, sitting around hoping and dreaming sucks....so I am happily living with a vanilla who has Dom personality and he's a stereotype LOL.

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