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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 6:42:20 PM   
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Hello,
Thanks for your input. First, not knowing about the life style, he was calling and conversating 3 or 4 x a day because of the distance and interested in me and discussing life, I listened and looked for any tales signs. I had cpu issues during the beginning but switched to a new cpu so my cam wasn't working, so we exchanged pics. Then it was his cam wasn't working and it was his busy season -- so for several months while I was emerged in school work he was hammered at his job .. it made sense based on his occupation.

There were instances that I did ask questions but was informed that the dom makes the decisions for various things and it was part of the mental aspect of the lifestyle. It didn't all necessarily make sense but he was very attentive for the most part and then we were both busy. I couldn't travel until at this point and I wasn't concerned that much but during the time we both shared thoughts of the present // thoughts of what we saw the future (each of our selves-directions of life/work) and what we both enjoyed on the vanilla side. he educated me on the BDSM lifestyle and I tried to learn from what he was stating. I am not in love with him or anything like that. But I have grown to care about the person that he portrayed himself to be. The picture that was on my phone. When his ring tone went off it was always a pleasing mental trigger.

So for whomever has read or following the posting trail. He got me at a vulnerable time, he has an awesome personality (from what I experienced) he is a broker (so I guess you could say a salesman), and I wanted to believe everything he was selling. I even brought up why me, and out of state -- I was sure there were plenty of blue/blondes in FL that would jump at the opportunity to be with the guy in the pics -- his response was my personality, looks and willingness to learn. Guess I was the fish waiting for the baited hook. I feel better after writing and reading the responses.

I figure that god pays his debts without money and eventually he will take on the wrong person and a rich house or fancy footwork won't get him out of the glue. It is definitely his loss in the long run ... I also wanted to ensure that any subs that are reading my trail will know to beware of him on this site. I won't hurt him, I am not like that but I also won't just quietly back away... Other females should know so they are not caught unawares. happy holidays to you.....




Why are you making excuses? Yes, doms do make the decisions, but at this point he should just be some guy you are talking on the phone to. He shouldn't be YOUR dom.

Without honesty you have nothing. He isn't honest.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 6:46:29 PM   
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I am sure that he will read the threads and understand that while I won't hurt him personally or professionally, I won't sit quietly so some other female will see his beautiful smile and body and believe that it is really him.


As he has never posted on the forums, it is unlikely that he will read this thread.

You should be aware that blacklisting is against the rules here, so do continue to not mention him by name here or negatively on your profile.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 6:53:29 PM   
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Hello,

I appreciate your comments but I have never done the internet dating scene. Also, I haven't done much interacting on line. This was a bit knew to me and I was ripe for the picking.... I had to be in FL, so yeah (as one of the other responses said about who's word is true), I wanted to validate the information. I am not used to folks that would create bogus profiles et al and lead folks on. Sorry if that sounds naive, but it's not like I have been in this scene or the on line scenes....

Second, while I was researching to ensure I "did" have my facts straight I utilized google to confirm that I knew what I was reading/learning. I did the research to ensure that all the information matched up so I was correct in forming my opinions. I looked at everything that popped up.

I will go to bed tonight knowing that my conscience is clear and he no longer exists. It will be weird no hearing his ring tone and the great conversations but hey, I will throw myself into classes to keep occupied..... By Friday it will be like he didn't exist. It's like dieting, you go 7 days without something and you don't really miss it ....

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 6:58:44 PM   
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For me it was closure -- as the other post said (confirming -- not the he said/he said). For me once the trust is gone, there is nothing left. He can be the best salesman in the world and I wouldn't buy... I will be fine by Friday and this will be a blip on the radar. A lesson learned on the internet. I have several friends who have met folks and they were always positive so I tried something that isn't for me.....

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 7:02:14 PM   
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Why not? I wld rather post and have someone know and if it gives someone else a heads up so they don't experience the
same situation. Clearly he is going to stay on the site. He will find someone else. Maybe someone will read this and word
will travel off the site and someone else won't get played. I am not too proud to say I was a fool my first time on the site.


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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 7:03:35 PM   
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We've all been a fool at some point. Don't take it too hard.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 7:18:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: stormy66

The irony was I had a friend check him by his name and nothing bad popped up -- Hell it isn't even his name. His profile is bogus. Again, I don't want to hurt him personally, he has money so should have no problem re-inventing himself again ... but to use someone else's face and body to portray himself -- All this is new, but to mix all the information and deceive folks. I want him to look me in the eye and explain it all to me. Thank you for allowing me to vent.


*Sighs*

When I first discovered the world of on-line dating, the women, at least, represented themselves for who they were. When you met them, they looked like their photos, and behaved the way they described themselves as behaving. That was a little over a decade ago. When I returned to on-line dating about eight years ago, that had changed. The worst example I had was a woman, who when I met her, weighed about 350 lbs. Her profile descriprion said about average, and I came to find out that her photos were twelve years old. I'm a gentleman, so I went through with treating her to dinner, during which she said that due to her having her stomach stapled, she'd already lost 100 lbs.

The fact that she lied to me resulted in me not even bothering to talk to her again. Since then, there have been quite a few surprises in meeting people. Untold disabilities among the most common, but lies about everything from height to weight..... stolen pictures that aren't even of the person, and look nothing like the person.

Women I have spoken to have shared their horror stories as well. Men claiming to be over six feet tall, and turn out to be 5' 2. In fact, most women who meet me now are shocked to find that I actually am 6'2, and look just like my pictures. They also seem surprised that I'm so relaxed and easy to talk to.

Why?

The most common excuse given is "you wouldn't have wanted to meet me if I'd told you the truth."

Really? In some perverse reality you have shaped for yourself, it makes sense that I would ever trust anything you say, when everything you've told me thus far has been a lie? Really?

*Shakes head*

People accuse me of being cynical. I'm not cynical ~ I'm dealing with how things are. I'm skeptical until what a person says is matched up with something concrete. Their looks, their actions, their behavior, the facts about their life.

I was becoming intimate with a woman on her couch on one third date, when someone started banging on the door. Turns out her husband came home, and wanted to come inside ~ she told him to come back later. Husband? You're married? Really?

She e-mailed me later and said I had mental issues for just leaving the way I did. I have issues? I think saying you're divorced, and waiting to tell me that you're still married until the third date, and he's ready to break down the door to come into his house..... is perfectly deserving of having your date walk out on you.

I've about scene it all, at this point. It's sad to say, but you CANNOT take anyone's word at face value. I don't care if you have cammed with them, spoke on the phone with them, IM'd with them, texted..... until they have the opportunity to PROVE that they are sincere..... I don't know what else to tell you. Not with as little experience as you have with meeting people on the internet.

Over time, due to experience, you do get better at sensing when someone is being sincere or not. There's a lot of instinct which is based upon experience that goes into that, though. There's nothing I can tell you that will help you develop it. Even then, you can make slight err's in judgment. It comes out much more quickly, for me, now however.

I avoid profiles that feel suspect to me. I watch for certain signs in how a person contacts me. There are small details that paint a much clearer picture, if you know to look for them. Unfortunately, it all requires experience, and learning from your experiences.

That's about all I can tell you. Use caution and discretion, and don't allow anyone to rush you forward. Use skepticism and allow them the opportunity to remove that skepticism. If they are sincere, they will ultimately show themselves to be sincere. If they're too good to be true ~ then they are simply telling you what they believe you want to hear.

A sincere person is going to be themselves, and there should always be something with one another that doesn't match up 100 percent..... the question becomes, is what doesn't match up, between the two of you, significant or insignificant. Nobody is going to be perfect in every way. You aren't designing your own potential partner from scratch. There SHOULD be something between you that slightly differs. That's life. That's reality. Everything you want - it's probably an illusion.

Just some advice to consider.....

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 11:03:17 PM   
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quote:

I won't engage in anything in MA due to my job.


Who are you kidding? Unless you're the governor, get over yourself, you really aren't that important.

Munches and other local events are known for being discreet. Stop making excuses, and stop thinking it's a good idea to engage with him in any way.

quote:

while I won't hurt him personally or professionally, I won't sit quietly so some other female will see his beautiful smile and body and believe that it is really him.


I understand why you feel this way, but holding on to the anger and plotting revenge just hurts YOU.

Grieve for a few days, then pick yourself up and move on.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/14/2012 11:19:52 PM   
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Im sorry you were hurt. But now its time to grow up. You ratting him out gives him two advantages.

One, he can simply change nics and disappear.

Two, you are waving a red flag over him that other women (ok, granted, not smart women) will take as a challenge. Why give him a head start with the next one?

After that, he can merely point to your post and play the victim about how you slandered him after rejecting him....

We have all heard the stories.

Dont let him have a moment more of your time than you can possibly help.

He simply isnt worth even posting about. The next girl on his list isnt your problem... most wont care what you say about him until after the fact anyways.

Good luck

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/15/2012 4:52:25 AM   
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Fast reply

The whole 'warning other women' is a waste of time. Unless the woman you are warning happens to be a good friend of yours and knows you well enough to take you at face value, why would she care?

Anyone can say anything online - as you have just learned. He could just as easily put up a 'warning' about you. He could say you are actually a hairy male My Little Pony fanatic who likes to tie people up and rob their house. At the point when both you and he are strangers, why would any woman take your word over his? Either one of you could be making things up. He could easily explain things away. Especially if he is such an expert liar as you say. Added to that, the chances that a woman interested in him would even see your warning is slim. If I'm looking for male doms in Florida, I'm probably not going to spend much time conversing with female subs in MA. And lastly, what's to stop him making up a new name, new profile, new set of lies?

I think once you have calmed down you will realise this warning is more about revenge than helping others. You feel frustrated, disappointed and foolish. No one will say you can't feel that way. But the advice here is sound - learn from it. Once the wreckage has cooled down, retreive the black box and look long and hard about what you could do differently next time. You say you weren't emotionally invested but clearly you were - I've had people spout all sorts of nonsense online and it didn't matter because I didn't care about them.

Do start meeting people as soon as you are interested. People lie in real life too, but lies are harder to maintain in the flesh and unattractive personality traits will come to light more quickly.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/15/2012 7:31:21 AM   
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Yanno OP. At the beginning of this thread I was feeling kinda bad for you. You were ignorant and naive and got shit on by a douche canoe.

However, as this thread has progressed, my sympathy has waned.

You were lied to. If you are smart, you will shut the door on the mother fucker (literally and figuratively) and move on. A little bruised but wiser. Don't make the same mistake again.

Instead, you are blathering on and on, still stuck on a fantasy person that in reality DOES NOT EXIST!!!!!!!!!!!!

Get that through your thick skull. The person you are fixating on is a figment of some douche canoe's imagination. Only an idiot would give him another moment of their time. You are making yourself out to be THAT IDIOT! Stop it.


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RE: ask the Masters - 11/15/2012 8:02:52 AM   
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I Want to share a lil story that happened to me years ago. I met a man who shared pictures and location that both turned out to be untrue. The savvy sexy guy with the to good to be true personality was just that. He was not only in a different country, he was a different race. He had knowledge of streets, clubs, etc. He had did his research.
When I found all this out I was livid! not to mention terribly disappointed. Oh and felt like the biggest fool EVER.
Did I immediately stop talking? Nope I did not, because I wanted to know why! He was basically a man who had to pretend he was someone else, who had very little self esteem and lived a life of fantasy. He could not deal with who he was, and because of that, he figured no one else would accept him either. I felt great pity for him in the end. He basically was setting himself up for failure from the beginning. He didnt believe in himself, so most likely he was right, no one else was going to either. On the internet, he could play this game of being confident and all these things he couldnt muster in real life.

It is good you want to believe in people, and dont beat yourself up to much, because although you were foolish, good people would never do this, it wouldnt even occur to them. So thats when gullible and niave comes in. Smart people get fooled all the time.

Dont meet this guy, come on that is just absolutely nuts. You would be chasing a ghost, the guy you want doesnt exist. This guy is a liar with some serious problems. Forget him. Move on, he was merely a dream. Meeting him will be a nightmare. It will never work and its not a good move. Convince yourself of that.


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RE: ask the Masters - 11/15/2012 9:05:07 AM   
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This seems to be a recurring problem. A good friend of mine was talking to a "Dominant" who said they were a Hypnotherapist, posted pictures of a late 20 year old attractive man on his profile among other things. They talked for a few months, she got on Skype, took orders from him and obeyed him. He saw her on Webcam, but she never saw him. He gave her a fake name which she looked up when she later on started to question things, and their interactions became inconsistent. He talked about flying to California to see her.

It ended up being that he was about 45ish (I don't recall his exact age) wasn't a Hypnotherapist, lied about his age, and the pictures weren't of him. She told him to leave her alone and she moved on.

Unfortunately, not only do the males on this site have to deal with scammers, and females have to deal with idiots, but we have to deal with scammers of our own sort too.

Moral of the story? Online is just that. Online. A lot of people are living in fantasy when it's online. You need to be extra careful and be ready to move on if/when you get screwed.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/15/2012 9:46:18 AM   
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In a general way I feel badly about your experience, on the other hand this whole thing seems to be off in the way that you had so much invested in someone you never met. Yes, people lie on the internet. Quite often. Watch this video...

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/15/2012 9:50:10 AM   
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my advice, is to always see someone on cam. see pictures and see cam. and never go with, but I dont have one. After you know someone awhile if they wont give you personal details and its going into a more serious place. THey do have something to hide.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/15/2012 3:32:36 PM   
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Hey everyone -- all the information was noted and I won't say the shock has worn off but reality has set in .... I do believe things happen for a reason and I learned a very valuable lesson without investing money et al. I had something "similar" to what Boundslave4life stated but now I am wiser. Pride, ego and feeling can all heal with time. Again -- I don't care enough to waste my time wanting revenge ... frustrated that the view shown wasn't real but I do believe that we all receive the bad we have done to others so that being said, someone will do the same to him.

I guess my posting and dialogue was to see if others had seen or gone thru similar -- I wasn't the only gullible person out there. Thru listening to everyone I have a better understanding of the site and the interactions of D/S vice just what he spouted/slanted/educated me with.

I do thank everyone for the responses and hope you all have a wonderful holiday season....

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/15/2012 3:40:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders

Fast reply

The whole 'warning other women' is a waste of time. Unless the woman you are warning happens to be a good friend of yours and knows you well enough to take you at face value, why would she care?


I have found that the "make him think twice about doing this again" approach works much better. However, it works best when that person is local to you.


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RE: ask the Masters - 11/15/2012 4:09:29 PM   
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Seeking LTR40- I agree with you completely about using skepticism. In this day and age, most people will use the Internet to meet people at some point but it is like watching TV commercials to find a new car. You can see what is available, you can get basic info to narrow down your search, but you have to suspect that the seller's aren't telling you EVERYTHING & it is up to you to find that stuff out & decide if it is important.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/15/2012 4:21:12 PM   
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You are 39 years old?

I would suggest that you have problems within you that must be dealt with before you even attempt any kind of a relationship, much less one where someone can tie you up and hurt you badly.

edit to hopefully be a bit kinder.

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RE: ask the Masters - 11/15/2012 5:12:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lizi

In a general way I feel badly about your experience, on the other hand this whole thing seems to be off in the way that you had so much invested in someone you never met. Yes, people lie on the internet. Quite often. Watch this video...


HAHAHAHAHA! The last time someone posted that link my sound (or the video's sound) wasn't working.

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