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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 2:50:41 AM   
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Now we know that atheists get their panties in a bunch over Christmas, but shouldn't a holiday established specifically to give thanks to the Divine bother them even more?



The athiests I know have no problems sitting down and enjoying the turkey feast. They just don't pray first. Of course they also have no problems with christmas when it comes to the gifts so I am not sure what that says.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 2:56:36 AM   
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Actually both Thanksgiving and Christmas were Pagan holidays - Harvest Feast and Samhain, or yule, respectively. Like everything else, the Christers filed the serial numbers off and claimed them as part of their show in their effort to suppress competing beliefs. Ya gotta love religious fanaticism, eh?





Christmas was not a pagan holiday. It is on the same day as a pagan holiday. Big difference. What I find ammusing is the ones who whine and cry about it. I guess in their mind people are only allowed to celebrate one thing on one day. Kinda reminds me of the next door neighbor who used to spend his whole birthday crying because his sister was born on the same day and he hated to share anything with anybody.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 3:37:11 AM   
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Actually both Thanksgiving and Christmas were Pagan holidays - Harvest Feast and Samhain, or yule, respectively. Like everything else, the Christers filed the serial numbers off and claimed them as part of their show in their effort to suppress competing beliefs. Ya gotta love religious fanaticism, eh?



Ummm, errrrr, no

No, samhain was never never an original holiday for christmas.
You are thinking perhaps solstice?

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 3:37:39 AM   
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Christmas is specifically to remember the birth of Jesus but this country (which some believe has a seperation of church and state) has celebrated a day devoted to giving thanks to a divine being for 200+ years.

Rich, more to your OP, for a lot of people, this holiday has become about eating like pigs and watching football. It's sad but true. This is the first year in over a decade that I won't be volunteering my time on Thanksgiving because the place I usually do so doesn't have the funding to do so, this year.

Four more years of this shit might just see a lot more disease and death right at our front door. Who needs a combat war on foreign shores. This socialist in the Whitehouse has brought a war of attrition right to our front doors.



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You have spent four yeard getting bent out of shape about government handouts, now complain about a lack of funding.....

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 3:40:00 AM   
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Actually both Thanksgiving and Christmas were Pagan holidays - Harvest Feast and Samhain, or yule, respectively. Like everything else, the Christers filed the serial numbers off and claimed them as part of their show in their effort to suppress competing beliefs. Ya gotta love religious fanaticism, eh?





Christmas was not a pagan holiday. It is on the same day as a pagan holiday. Big difference. What I find ammusing is the ones who whine and cry about it. I guess in their mind people are only allowed to celebrate one thing on one day. Kinda reminds me of the next door neighbor who used to spend his whole birthday crying because his sister was born on the same day and he hated to share anything with anybody.


Actually many things we consider Christmas customs are pagan, "Christmas" trees and lights for instance are carried over from pagan Festival of Lights. (the lights used to be candles...I still haven't figured that one out yet).

Don't forget EASTER, which gets its name from Eostre, Pagen goddess of spring and rebirth. The Easter egg tradition is carried over from that as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%92ostre

Oh, and will someone please explain the CHRISTMAS PICKLE?

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 3:43:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Christmas trees used to be decorated with candles ..... string lights are a safer solution to that.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 3:47:10 AM   
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Christmas trees used to be decorated with candles ..... string lights are a safer solution to that.

I understand the safety concerns, but just once I'd love to see a tree aglow by candlelight.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 3:58:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		My mother used to do one of hers every year.... just on Christmas eve

(yes, I said one.. she had three)

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 4:13:43 AM   
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My mother used to do one of hers every year.... just on Christmas eve

Wow! Was it as beautiful as it sounds?


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(yes, I said one.. she had three)

Our families may share the same Christmas chromosome.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 4:15:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is an argument that thanksgiving should be exclusively for atheists.

As an atheist I give thanks to all of the wonderful people in my life that have made the previous year bearable.

I celebrate thanksgiving by telling my friends and family how much they mean to me. God has nothing to do with my reason for giving thanks - they do.

If you want to pray to your imaginary friend, fill your boots. But I believe, deeply, that your thanks are going in the wrong direction.

And as for Christmas 2012 having anything to fucking do with the birth of Jesus... get a fucking grip. These days the religious significance of Christmas is buried deep beneath an orgy of deeply irreligious consumerism.

Which is, of course, what makes it so fucking awesome, and why as an Atheist I have no bother celebrating it.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 4:56:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I identify myself as a Christian, but I assume people of any or no religion can find things to be thankful for, whether they are thankful TO anyone specific or not. Just like, as someone said upthread, for most people Christmas is about Santa, presents, and the day off anyway, so the fact that Christians celebrate the birth of Christ in addition to that really shouldn't be a big deal.

When my kids were in the "snarky preteen stage" and liked getting in a wad over EVERYTHING, I used to ask them, "Compared to war, famine, and pestilence is that REALLY that big of a deal???" That is kind of how I feel about people who get in a wad over who or how holidays are celebrated. If you don;t like people saying Merry Christmas, just smile and say "happy Holidays" back like a grown up. If the reverse is true, just say "Happy Holidays" or "Merry Christmas" and drop the Bible thumping rant. The first amendment doesn't specify any particular religion when it talks about freedom of religion, so Christians do not have a corner on that market....and it certainly doesn't say anything about freedom FROM religion.

I think Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter, Halloween...are just red herrings people use when they want to be elitist or obnoxious jerks

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 5:12:05 AM   
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Now we know that atheists get their panties in a bunch over Christmas, but shouldn't a holiday established specifically to give thanks to the Divine bother them even more?



Whomever the native peoples gave thanks to, of whose tradition the Western world glommed for their own purpose (yeah, like that hasn't happened hundreds of times before already), it likely was not the christian god of Europe.

Sorry to make you cry, but I don't think your already wet panties will not help you dry your tears, here.

OTOH, being that you're so intent on this native tradition actually being a 'christian' thing, you are welcome to educate the audience concerning that particular chapter and verse in the bible wherein this particular tradition was so decreed as a christian rite.

I take it, by your sudden interest and promotion of the notion, here, that you, being the god-fearing citizen that you apparently are, will fill us in on the details of that one.

Was it Mathew, Luke, or John that came up with the concept of Thanksgiving?


It's been so long for some of us, and, even those who read up on the good book, every day, might be quite interested in your enlightenment on the subject, here.







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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 5:26:09 AM   
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Christmas is specifically to remember the birth of Jesus but this country (which some believe has a seperation of church and state) has celebrated a day devoted to giving thanks to a divine being for 200+ years.

Rich, more to your OP, for a lot of people, this holiday has become about eating like pigs and watching football. It's sad but true. This is the first year in over a decade that I won't be volunteering my time on Thanksgiving because the place I usually do so doesn't have the funding to do so, this year.

Four more years of this shit might just see a lot more disease and death right at our front door. Who needs a combat war on foreign shores. This socialist in the Whitehouse has brought a war of attrition right to our front doors.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



You have spent four yeard getting bent out of shape about government handouts, now complain about a lack of funding.....

Irony at its finest.

I think he's trying to replace our friend from Idaho.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 5:58:37 AM   
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Now we know that atheists get their panties in a bunch over Christmas, but shouldn't a holiday established specifically to give thanks to the Divine bother them even more?


Once again your ignorance is overwhelming. Harvest celebrations have been going on since before christ was a crossing guard.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 5:59:50 AM   
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Most of them sre probably liberal anyway, so they are out for a free dinner paid for by the 1 percenters..


The 1% paid for what?

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 6:01:03 AM   
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The liberals will not like two words. ' Almighty God '...


Fuck your imaginary friend and almighty god and the three legged horse she rode in on.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 6:02:24 AM   
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I never considered Thanksgiving a religious holiday.

Christmas celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ, is another kettle of fish.




Now that's an odd thing, Mari. Christmas as a Christian holiday is an overlay on a much older tradition, and the US cultural holiday bears little relationship to anything faith-based, beyond the faith in Santa.

Thanksgiving, on the other hand, is a creation of the government, instead of the church, devoted to recognizing the role and importance of God in our lives.

You'd think the atheists would have an issue with that, woudn't you?



Only you would think that athiest would have an issue with your moronic post.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 6:04:45 AM   
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Now we know that atheists get their panties in a bunch over Christmas, but shouldn't a holiday established specifically to give thanks to the Divine bother them even more?



The athiests I know have no problems sitting down and enjoying the turkey feast. They just don't pray first. Of course they also have no problems with christmas when it comes to the gifts so I am not sure what that says.


It says quite clearly that most everyone likes a good meal and presents...you do not have to believe in an imaginary friend to see that.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 6:05:34 AM   
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OTOH, being that you're so intent on this native tradition actually being a 'christian' thing, you are welcome to educate the audience concerning that particular chapter and verse in the bible wherein this particular tradition was so decreed as a christian rite.

I take it, by your sudden interest and promotion of the notion, here, that you, being the god-fearing citizen that you apparently are, will fill us in on the details of that one.

Was it Mathew, Luke, or John that came up with the concept of Thanksgiving?


It's been so long for some of us, and, even those who read up on the good book, every day, might be quite interested in your enlightenment on the subject, here.





You should pay more attention, Edwynn. My own particular religious leanings are thumbnailed in to the thread, and aren't anything like what you are popping off with. You'll also find a quote that establishes the intent of the holiday.

Just a thought here, but the next time you exercise your squish fetish down in your infested laundry room, make sure the area has had a chance to air out since the last of your neighbors who was in there used Raid to do the job.



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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 6:07:57 AM   
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Actually both Thanksgiving and Christmas were Pagan holidays - Harvest Feast and Samhain, or yule, respectively. Like everything else, the Christers filed the serial numbers off and claimed them as part of their show in their effort to suppress competing beliefs. Ya gotta love religious fanaticism, eh?





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Christmas was not a pagan holiday. It is on the same day as a pagan holiday.


Which came first the pagans or the christians?

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Big difference. What I find ammusing is the ones who whine and cry about it.


The op seems to be the one crying about it.

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I guess in their mind people are only allowed to celebrate one thing on one day. Kinda reminds me of the next door neighbor who used to spend his whole birthday crying because his sister was born on the same day and he hated to share anything with anybody.

Don't you find it more than a little presumptious to define athiest in your own terms and not theirs for the sole purpose of destroying your own creation?

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