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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 7:09:41 AM   
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OTOH, being that you're so intent on this native tradition actually being a 'christian' thing, you are welcome to educate the audience concerning that particular chapter and verse in the bible wherein this particular tradition was so decreed as a christian rite.

I take it, by your sudden interest and promotion of the notion, here, that you, being the god-fearing citizen that you apparently are, will fill us in on the details of that one.

Was it Mathew, Luke, or John that came up with the concept of Thanksgiving?


It's been so long for some of us, and, even those who read up on the good book, every day, might be quite interested in your enlightenment on the subject, here.





You should pay more attention, Edwynn.


I actually did; unlike yourself, in coming up with yet another cockamamie ankle-biter yapping point, as befits the gross miscalculation on the part of breeders of tiny dogs that produced you in attempting something like a breed worthy of even the smallest dog bowl.

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My own particular religious leanings are thumbnailed in to the thread, and aren't anything like what you are popping off with. You'll also find a quote that establishes the intent of the holiday.



Your attempt at a cop-out is, as always, completely lame. You started an anti-atheist flame war as proxy to the intended anti-('liberal,' whatever) war, in your ongoing Jihad against anything resembling sensible thought process.


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Just a thought here, but the next time you exercise your squish fetish


Glad you are so well acquainted with such things as to know the name of that particular item, but the fact of the matter is that I merely was responding to your fetish, ergo, 'speaking to the audience,' in response to;


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Now we know that atheists get their panties in a bunch over Christmas, but shouldn't a holiday established specifically to give thanks to the Divine bother them even more?


It is quite in the nature of people such as yourself to toss a brick at a truck driving down the street, then blame the truck driver for smashing the truck into whatever you thereby blinded him to.



You are quite stupid as to think that so many witnesses to the actual event are going to do anything other than slap you down repeatedly when you are so idiotic as to tell them (not even ask them), what they are supposed to see from such event, and expect everyone to accept your innate belligerence and your Jr. High School boys locker room towel slapping persona as anything to consider seriously in any way.

Dude.

Please.


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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 7:21:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		As someone who is often confused for an atheist (I'm not, I'm a Deist), let me say this. In my personal opinion, and in my life and the life of my family, Thanksgiving has exactly fuck all to do with the Divine/God. It is about feeling thankful for what you have, not necessarily thanking some divine being for giving it to you. I am thankful for a lot of things this year, and I will be celebrating those things today. But, I don't believe for a second that any of them came from the Divine/God.

So, should atheists celebrate Thanksgiving? Sure. Everyone should if they feel they have something, no matter how big or small, to be thankful for. Even if all they are thankful for is a plate of turkey with friends and family, they should celebrate!

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 7:48:49 AM   
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You should pay more attention, Edwynn.


I actually did


No, you didn't. Your previous post shows that to be a lie, but it's funnier than hell to watch you try to squirm away from yet again exposing your utter ignorance of the wide world beyond your bubble.

Thanks for the laughs.

To all, a happy Thanksgiving, even if you have no higher power in your life to express that gratitude to.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 7:57:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I looked at the thread title (which was all that was actually needed to see what would follow, but we like entertainment), read the OP, read the following lame cop-outs, etc.

Just more antagonistic brick throwing, no input from that corner ever amounting to anything more than that.


PS

If it makes you feel any better, I think that previous line is going to be my standard response to at least 60% of the 'standard liberals' here too. I don't like their understanding of the term (as from that percentage), or especially not their constant childish and imminently useless antagonism anymore than yours.



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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 8:13:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, the subject came from a conversation with my brother, an atheist, and he takes today as Turkey Day, rather than Thanksgiving, and is happy to rant about government telling us to thank God, if you get him started.

Of course, he isn't a hyper-sensitive little bitch, either.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 8:13:34 AM   
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Rich, athiests should be able to enjoy Thanksgiving too; hell, we all have something to be grateful for.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 8:19:54 AM   
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Actually, the subject came from a conversation with my brother, an atheist, and he takes today as Turkey Day, rather than Thanksgiving, and is happy to rant about government telling us to thank God, if you get him started.

Of course, he isn't a hyper-sensitive little bitch, either.



Blaming it on others, lame cop-out, etc.

Your brother probably put gun to your head and forced you to start the thread, too.

As wacko as some of my posts can be, I at least have enough sense of personal responsibility to not blame it on others.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 8:22:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually thanksgiving was started after the slaughter of a tribe celebrating the Green Corn Celebration. These people were shot and clubbed to death. The women and children that huddled in the long house were burned alive. The next day the Governor of the Massachussets Bay Colony declared a day of thanksgiving because over 700 people had been slaughtered. Days of thanksgiving where held after each massacre. George Washington finally said only 1 day of Thanksgiving per year should be held. Later Lincoln declared a national holiday to lift moral during the Civil War.

There is no religious basis for thanksgiving, nor moral basis for it either IMO.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 8:32:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Blame, Edwynn? What an awful place it must be, inside your head, if that's how you read what I posted.

Whatever. I'm thankful that the Universe has provided me with an excellent set of in-laws who host a great get-together, even if it does mean a drive all the way across Los Angeles County.

Toodles.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 10:01:20 AM   
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You should pay more attention, Edwynn.


I actually did


No, you didn't. Your previous post shows that to be a lie, but it's funnier than hell to watch you try to squirm away from yet again exposing your utter ignorance of the wide world beyond your bubble.

Thanks for the laughs.

To all, a happy Thanksgiving, even if you have no higher power in your life to express that gratitude to.



This is mr.happy-happy-joy-joy`s way of celebrating the holidays.....

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 10:28:08 AM   
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Oh, and will someone please explain the CHRISTMAS PICKLE?


maybe what people find themselves in when they dont shop for prezzies until the very last shopping day???

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 10:53:38 AM   
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Actually thanksgiving was started after the slaughter of a tribe celebrating the Green Corn Celebration. These people were shot and clubbed to death. The women and children that huddled in the long house were burned alive. The next day the Governor of the Massachussets Bay Colony declared a day of thanksgiving because over 700 people had been slaughtered. Days of thanksgiving where held after each massacre. George Washington finally said only 1 day of Thanksgiving per year should be held. Later Lincoln declared a national holiday to lift moral during the Civil War.

There is no religious basis for thanksgiving, nor moral basis for it either IMO.


No it wasnt. That incident didnt happen until 1637. Virginia was holding that celebration quite frequently by that point.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 3:19:35 PM   
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The liberals will not like two words. ' Almighty God '...

I'm a liberal and I am quite sure that if there is a God he would be,by definition,"Almighty"

Of course you folks haven't exactly established that there is,in fact,a God

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 3:26:51 PM   
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Christmas is specifically to remember the birth of Jesus but this country (which some believe has a seperation of church and state) has celebrated a day devoted to giving thanks to a divine being for 200+ years.

Rich, more to your OP, for a lot of people, this holiday has become about eating like pigs and watching football. It's sad but true. This is the first year in over a decade that I won't be volunteering my time on Thanksgiving because the place I usually do so doesn't have the funding to do so, this year.

Four more years of this shit might just see a lot more disease and death right at our front door. Who needs a combat war on foreign shores. This socialist in the Whitehouse has brought a war of attrition right to our front doors.



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Michael

Another fucking ray of sunshine,eh Michael ?
Talk about having one's "knickers in a bunch"lol.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 5:12:56 PM   
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Christmas is specifically to remember the birth of Jesus but this country (which some believe has a seperation of church and state) has celebrated a day devoted to giving thanks to a divine being for 200+ years.

Rich, more to your OP, for a lot of people, this holiday has become about eating like pigs and watching football. It's sad but true. This is the first year in over a decade that I won't be volunteering my time on Thanksgiving because the place I usually do so doesn't have the funding to do so, this year.

Four more years of this shit might just see a lot more disease and death right at our front door. Who needs a combat war on foreign shores. This socialist in the Whitehouse has brought a war of attrition right to our front doors.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

Another fucking ray of sunshine,eh Michael ?
Talk about having one's "knickers in a bunch"lol.


Not forgetting that Decmber 25th isnt even Jesus`s birthday, specifically.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 5:15:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Christmas is specifically to remember the birth of Jesus but this country (which some believe has a seperation of church and state) has celebrated a day devoted to giving thanks to a divine being for 200+ years.

Rich, more to your OP, for a lot of people, this holiday has become about eating like pigs and watching football. It's sad but true. This is the first year in over a decade that I won't be volunteering my time on Thanksgiving because the place I usually do so doesn't have the funding to do so, this year.

Four more years of this shit might just see a lot more disease and death right at our front door. Who needs a combat war on foreign shores. This socialist in the Whitehouse has brought a war of attrition right to our front doors.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

Another fucking ray of sunshine,eh Michael ?
Talk about having one's "knickers in a bunch"lol.


Not forgetting that Decmber 25th isnt even Jesus`s birthday, specifically.


Not even close.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 5:41:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		(CNN) –It's Christmas, but not as you know it: a new book by released this week by Pope Benedict VI looks at the early life of Jesus - and debunks several myths about how the Nativity really unfolded.

In "Jesus of Nazareth - The Infancy Narratives," the pope says the Christian calendar is actually based on a blunder by a 6th century monk, who Benedict says was several years off in his calculation of Jesus' birth date.

According to the pope's research, there is also no evidence in the Gospels that the cattle and other animals traditionally pictured gathered around the manger were actually present.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 5:52:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Regarding the OP.
There have been harvest festivals as long as there has been agriculture.

Saying that only christians Should support the celebration of Thanksgiving makes about as much sense as saying that no Christians live anywhere but the US and Canada. (Yaknow, the ONLY 2 places where it is celebrated?)

I mean if you think about it, it's really a nonsensical question.

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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 6:06:57 PM   
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RE: Should atheists participate in Thanksgiving? - 11/22/2012 8:02:26 PM   
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Regarding the OP.
There have been harvest festivals as long as there has been agriculture.

Saying that only christians Should support the celebration of Thanksgiving makes about as much sense as saying that no Christians live anywhere but the US and Canada. (Yaknow, the ONLY 2 places where it is celebrated?)

I mean if you think about it, it's really a nonsensical question.



What's nonsensical, Hill, is claiming that the original post made any mention of Christianity. Are you defining atheism strictly according to a rejection of Christian belief? Then by your standard, I would be one, because while my grandfather being a preacher, and a couple teenage years incarcerated in a baptist school, left some lingering marks (or scars), I don't consider myself to be a Christian. I'm a casual Deist, who will lift what works for me from any system of belief that speaks to me. I was an atheist only briefly, and found it be incompatible with the spiritual aspect of my character.

The question is; should atheists, those who disbelieve the existence of ANY God, in ANY form, partake in a holiday created by the government specifically to recognize and give thanks to Almighty God?

Please see the following post, where I'll be adding Lincoln's Proclamation on the subject.

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