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Kana -> RE: Just curious (11/25/2012 1:53:36 PM)

1-I've met scads...and more than a few messaged me first, and that was way before I hit the forums. As for LTR, sure, I met the lilone here, and we've been kicking it in a 24/7 TPE for seven years now. Couldn't be happier.
So yeah, it happens, all the time.
Now, there are lots more fakes on here now than back in the day, but there are still lots and lots of real women out there seeking. I can guarantee that-I'm friends with some, others are here in the forums. I still stick with my initial assertion that it's easier for a real dom to find a slave gal here than the other way around.
Why?
Because
2-Yep, your gals experience is exactly what happens. Tons and tons of messages, most rude, most oneliners, misogynistic, most written by wanker wannabes and neverwills. Trust me on this, as hard as you think it may be to find someone real, at least you don't have to(If you'll excuse me going all Shawshank for a second) "crawl through five hundred yards of shit smelling foulness I can't even imagine, or maybe I just don't want to. Five hundred yards... that's the length of five football fields, just shy of half a mile," to find a mate like they do.


Now, if you're looking for a 20 year old piece of eyecandy, that's a different deal. Then the fakes and scammer ratio goes through the roof, But they're out there too, you just gotta sort through the haystack to find the needle. Then find some way to catch her attention. But it can be done. I've met pornstars and internet models off of here, escorts and pro subs (Who didn't charge Kana, instead crawled and begged for more-Hah!).
So yeah, it happens. But, like the lilone says, if you're not the sort of guy who can date a model in nilla, you ain't gonna get her here!




DesFIP -> RE: Just curious (11/25/2012 6:16:49 PM)

We met on b.com years ago, but had he said he wanted a TPE I wouldn't even have responded with a no thanks.

We started as friends who shared a mutual kink. We became lovers. Over time I saw him make decisions and discovered he makes damn good ones. As a result, I gave him a bit of power feeling confident he would use it wisely. The more he handled things well, the more I was willing to give him. But it was three years ldr and two living together before I felt confident handing over a lot of power. And even then, it wasn't TPE. That last 20% took several more years.

My point is that by demanding this from someone you've never even laid eyes on, you're guaranteeing that any real woman is going to flee from you believing you to be unsafe. Which means the only ones who will talk to you are the scammers. You are causing the problem that you are complaining about.




Kerjin -> RE: Just curious (11/25/2012 7:13:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lizi

I have to agree with what JeffBC for the most part OP. You seem to be putting down everyone else except for yourself. It seems that you are dictating what a true slave is, and what Dominance is without taking into account that people are a world of differences. Something you look down on is perfect for another. Why set yourself up in the first profile paragraph as better than every other person on this site? If I were looking for a partner, I'd never read any farther before shaking my head and moving on to the next profile. If putting down others is not what you intended to convey, I ask you to reread your profile with objectivity and see how it comes off.

As far as finding someone, I've met several people from this site. They've all been real people who were who they said they were. I have been in a relationship with the first man I met here 3 1/2 years ago. There are many people who have met their partners here. Yes, there are scammers, most social sites have them. It's part of the scenery. Yes, the women here get inundated with mail- much of it is unpleasant. None of those things are revelations to the users of this site, it's all pretty standard fare to any adult site, this place is not special or exempt.

For the record, the Dominant in my life is mannerly, polite, and very socially adept while managing to be Dominant. The fact that you aren't getting the person that you want makes me offer the suggestion to you to not to excuse yourself on social graces, how about getting some? It doesn't make you less Dominant to be able to function effectively with others.


Thank you for your insightful and well thought words lizi, I appreciated them very much.

Based on inputs from here and from one person in particular I am in the process of rewriting my profile. I'm completed the first re-write, please feel free to critique it for me.




Kerjin -> RE: Just curious (11/25/2012 7:15:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

1-I've met scads...and more than a few messaged me first, and that was way before I hit the forums. As for LTR, sure, I met the lilone here, and we've been kicking it in a 24/7 TPE for seven years now. Couldn't be happier.
So yeah, it happens, all the time.
Now, there are lots more fakes on here now than back in the day, but there are still lots and lots of real women out there seeking. I can guarantee that-I'm friends with some, others are here in the forums. I still stick with my initial assertion that it's easier for a real dom to find a slave gal here than the other way around.
Why?
Because
2-Yep, your gals experience is exactly what happens. Tons and tons of messages, most rude, most oneliners, misogynistic, most written by wanker wannabes and neverwills. Trust me on this, as hard as you think it may be to find someone real, at least you don't have to(If you'll excuse me going all Shawshank for a second) "crawl through five hundred yards of shit smelling foulness I can't even imagine, or maybe I just don't want to. Five hundred yards... that's the length of five football fields, just shy of half a mile," to find a mate like they do.


Now, if you're looking for a 20 year old piece of eyecandy, that's a different deal. Then the fakes and scammer ratio goes through the roof, But they're out there too, you just gotta sort through the haystack to find the needle. Then find some way to catch her attention. But it can be done. I've met pornstars and internet models off of here, escorts and pro subs (Who didn't charge Kana, instead crawled and begged for more-Hah!).
So yeah, it happens. But, like the lilone says, if you're not the sort of guy who can date a model in nilla, you ain't gonna get her here!


Thank you for the candid response Kana and no I don't mind you going all Shawshank for a sec, it made a very good reference.




Kerjin -> RE: Just curious (11/25/2012 7:17:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

We met on b.com years ago, but had he said he wanted a TPE I wouldn't even have responded with a no thanks.

We started as friends who shared a mutual kink. We became lovers. Over time I saw him make decisions and discovered he makes damn good ones. As a result, I gave him a bit of power feeling confident he would use it wisely. The more he handled things well, the more I was willing to give him. But it was three years ldr and two living together before I felt confident handing over a lot of power. And even then, it wasn't TPE. That last 20% took several more years.

My point is that by demanding this from someone you've never even laid eyes on, you're guaranteeing that any real woman is going to flee from you believing you to be unsafe. Which means the only ones who will talk to you are the scammers. You are causing the problem that you are complaining about.


Thank you very much for your response DesFIP, I appreciate the candor of the reply. I have recently rewritten my profile, please feel free to view id and critique it if you wish.




SeekingTrinity -> RE: Just curious (11/25/2012 7:59:25 PM)

quote:

Has anyone met a person online (Here or elsewhere) that turned out to be a real person and then was able to bring that person into their off line life for a 24/7 relationship?


Yes, I met my male partner here almost a year ago and we have been slowly evolving and growing ever since. We are not 24/7, but I am sure its entirely possible to meet someone that you click with on here. But Ill be the first to tell you that it took me over 5 years to find him and I had to dig through a whole mess of dirt before finding my diamond. Best advice I can give is to have a ton of patience. It can happen though.

quote:

Concerning the girl who started a profile here and was overwhelmed by messages, is this the norm?


Good God, yes! Ive had a single profile here for a number of years and I get the gamut of messages. From the genuine and sincere to the filthy and disgusting. Unfortunately the anonymity of the internet is pretty much a green light for general jackassery for some individuals out there. Its just the nature of the beast. Now that I currently spend more time using the current couple profile, I noticed that messages have slowed somewhat. Probably because there is a male involved in the picture. Just my thoughts though.

Ill be honest, I really think that the whole "Im still married" thing is going to be a sticking point in your search. Dont get me wrong, its great to be honest and straightforward with people. But I personally never get involved with anyone who is married or otherwise attached unless I speak personally with the significant other to get their OK. Lots can say "oh yeah, Im married but she knows I am involved with others"...only to have the truth be that the wife had no idea that the husband was creeping around behind her back. Just a thought...how comfortable is a potential slave going to be with the situation that she would face? You are wanting someone to devote herself to you, but what could happen if or when you and your wife get back together? You may find that this is going to limit the pool of potential partners. Just a thought. Good luck to you on your search.




Kerjin -> RE: Just curious (11/26/2012 1:11:12 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity
Ill be honest, I really think that the whole "Im still married" thing is going to be a sticking point in your search. Dont get me wrong, its great to be honest and straightforward with people. But I personally never get involved with anyone who is married or otherwise attached unless I speak personally with the significant other to get their OK. Lots can say "oh yeah, Im married but she knows I am involved with others"...only to have the truth be that the wife had no idea that the husband was creeping around behind her back. Just a thought...how comfortable is a potential slave going to be with the situation that she would face? You are wanting someone to devote herself to you, but what could happen if or when you and your wife get back together? You may find that this is going to limit the pool of potential partners. Just a thought. Good luck to you on your search.


Thank you very much for the insight SeekingTrinity. nadira has updated her profile (KnadiraK) here and is available to anyone wishing to contact her concerning us. AS far as what would the slave do if/when my wife returns. She would still be mine. nadira is submissive and her and I have spoken about me having another in the house, we just hadn't been actively seeking in the past few years.




kalikshama -> RE: Just curious (11/26/2012 2:44:24 PM)

quote:

I have recently rewritten my profile, please feel free to view id and critique it if you wish.


I thought it was well written. Kudos for you for being honest about the married-but-separated - this will be a big sticking point for many women.

You could mention your interest in going to MAsT.




noellesdestiny -> RE: Just curious (11/26/2012 2:54:35 PM)

I have met good people off here and also deal with the ridiculous mail I get at times. I hope you meet someone. You sound very nice.




NuevaVida -> RE: Just curious (11/26/2012 6:06:49 PM)

Yes, I met the Mister here 3 1/2 years ago. We're holding off on living together until after his daughter graduates high school.

You say you are looking for someone who wants to be owned. For what it's worth, I did NOT want to be owned when we met. I was quite happy with my life the way it was. But what can I say, as our relationship was developing, I realized he was someone I could not help but give myself to. Life is funny like that. [;)]




poise -> RE: Just curious (11/26/2012 6:17:33 PM)

Hi Kerjin. I also like the profile rewrite, as it makes you appear more approachable.
However, the one thing that made me raise an eyebrow in both versions is the second
paragraph, where you say "I am looking for slaves". While there is no mention of an
interest in poly relationships, this could turn off many who are strictly monogamous.

Continued good luck in your search.




Regweld -> RE: Just curious (11/26/2012 6:21:40 PM)

I was a member for quite a while and found a few local folks/groups that weren't a bad starting place but the fitting in can sometimes be a little stressful for folks to get into.

The groups tend to be a lifelong clicky type group and you can really see the different segments. Some folks want social hour, others want a play party...most just want to meet new folks and blow off some steam.

Finding the one...or the next one, can be a matter of just being social and meeting new people and before I knew it, several folks fell into my lap. A few of them were decent and one even tried to play match maker before I fell for her...and lucky me too! 5 years later I'm looking at marrying the match maker rather then one of the matches she tried to help me find.




Kerjin -> RE: Just curious (11/26/2012 6:22:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

I have recently rewritten my profile, please feel free to view id and critique it if you wish.


I thought it was well written. Kudos for you for being honest about the married-but-separated - this will be a big sticking point for many women.

You could mention your interest in going to MAsT.


Thank you kalikshama, I have added the info concerning MAsT




angelikaJ -> RE: Just curious (11/26/2012 6:25:52 PM)

I think part of your 'problem' may be the fact that you already have a slave/wife, even if she is currently on a "walkabout" sorting things out for herself.

1) The majority of women do not seem to desire sharing.
2) It is a huge risk: to begin a relationship and then primary partner comes home.
3) Many people just do not manage their poly-relationships well.

There are notable exceptions, here on the forums to that last point, but it seems that most people aren't able do all that is required to have a happy triad (or more). Communication is often a failing point along with rigorous honesty; the lack of those 2 necessities seem to derail things fairly often.

You have actually been on CM longer than you think: you joined in October in 2005.
Time flies.




Kerjin -> RE: Just curious (11/26/2012 6:25:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: poise

Hi Kerjin. I also like the profile rewrite, as it makes you appear more approachable.
However, the one thing that made me raise an eyebrow in both versions is the second
paragraph, where you say "I am looking for slaves". While there is no mention of an
interest in poly relationships, this could turn off many who are strictly monogamous.

Continued good luck in your search.


Thank you poise, I have added a few sentences concerning the poly lifestyle.




SeekingLTR40 -> RE: Just curious (11/27/2012 5:47:47 PM)

quote:

What I am curious about is this:

Has anyone met a person online (Here or elsewhere) that turned out to be a real person and then was able to bring that person into their off line life for a 24/7 relationship?

Concerning the girl who started a profile here and was overwhelmed by messages, is this the norm?



I have had a number of wonderful relationships with women I have met on-line. Though none have as yet developed from here, I also haven't been on this site very long; I do, however have a number of friends from previous sites I've been on who are here ~ and in very committed, successful relationships.
Your observations as to the number of people who are not actually seeking relationships are, unfortunately, accurate. It requires a bit of patience, and it also requires you to learn how to distinguish unique, thought-out profiles from the copy-n-paste profiles with downloaded pictures from the on-line universe. Key number one, the photos have the name of a website or a notation as to where the picture came from ~ professional, posed photos. You'll rarely ever meet up with anyone with such photos on their profile. Another thing I have seen are profiles all created at the same time, with the same exact pictures on them, with almost identical profiles ~ but with differing locations.
The profiles, however, are the real clue. 99.9 percent of women "slaves" on-line are nothing of the sort. They'll carry on about wanting to be treated in totally degrading manners, and "forced" to do everything completely against their will. No-limits are very high on their claims. If their ONLY focus is on the activities they want to experience - they're role-playing. If they want an M/s relationship, they focus upon the character of the Master they are seeking, and that which is most important if forging an actual relationship.

Women, by far, have it the worst in seeking to meet people on-line. They get a stampede of horny, desperate, impatient men flocking to their profiles, and burying them under an avalanche of e-mails. I've known women who'd get nothing short of 150 e-mails per day. It reaches the point that many of them hurriedly browse through the list of e-mails just to see if anything catches their eye; and the likelihood that they overlook a sincere e-mail is quite probable.

What I can tell you is this, almost every single relationship I have ever had that started by meeting someone on-line ~ the woman contacted me with a sincere, well thought-out e-mail. They actually read my profile, and discussed precisely what about my profile captured their interest. For every e-mail I get as such, I get a dozen e-mails that are nothing more than a single sentence - and when I look, the person hasn't even viewed my profile.

Certain profiles I can read, and know that the person is sincere and "real." Not as in being a real (insert title here); but a real person. A thinking, feeling, rational human being. When I contact those, I always get a reply. It helps, however, that I type up an e-mail that speaks from one person to another. I don't even focus on the whole dynamic in the first e-mails. I need to know the woman first. If she's not very attractive to me as a woman, then she'll never be someone I want to form a relationship with.

Again, patience is the key. Placing thought into everything you say, everywhere you say it is going to go much further than spitting out the tired, old, coockie-cutter dribble that everyone has read on some website or another. Defining things, demanding things, speaking down to a complete stranger; as though they're some sort of child. If you're going to connect with someone, it's going to HAVE to be on an adult/adult level. The whole parent/child form of communication which has become so prevelant on-line just isn't going to net you very much. If they come across to you as a child speaks to an adult..... chances are they're wanting nothing more than on-line interactions, or they're just playing games or scams.

That has been every single experience I've had on-line. I've yet to find a single exception to any of that. If you're going to bring your real-life successes to the on-line sites for meeting people, you need to approach it the same way you did in real life. Gain her attention, earn her respect and trust, allow her the opportunity to get to know you, and see if you complement one another. There are no shortcuts, because of all the game-players on-line. You, and her, both get lost in a virtual sea of obscurity. You have to figure out a way to rise above it, and stand out.




OsideGirl -> RE: Just curious (11/28/2012 6:52:39 AM)

I'm going to add:

You're married and not only looking for a Unicorn....you're looking for more than one Unicorn.....and you expect them to relocate.

Your potential pool of prospects is extremely small.




JeffBC -> RE: Just curious (11/28/2012 7:50:20 AM)

... and not just two unicorns... two slave unicorns which I assume means some sort of TPE-ish like thing. That's a whole lot of looking.

<rest of post removed because the OP addressed the concern in the last sentence>




OsideGirl -> RE: Just curious (11/28/2012 9:14:29 AM)

And beyond the multiple TPE Unicorns, he's treating the issue of his wife like it's a non-issue, when it's a huge issue.

He wants someone to come into his life with no idea where they will fit in. If the wife comes back, it changes the dynamic. I'm assuming that a wife is more important than a Unicorn, so what happens if the wife is unhappy with the situation? The Unicorn is at the mercy of someone they've never met and at the mercy of a situation that doesn't work 99% of the time. And then expect them to relocate for something so uncertain. It's not an attractive situation when looked at from the view of the Unicorn.




Kerjin -> RE: Just curious (11/28/2012 9:36:56 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

I'm going to add:

You're married and not only looking for a Unicorn....you're looking for more than one Unicorn.....and you expect them to relocate.

Your potential pool of prospects is extremely small.


Thanks you for your thoughts OsideGirl.

Truthfully I am not looking for more than one Unicorn. I use the plural because, if my wife/submissive decides to return, I will not toss the girl that I have out on her ear. I kn ow that's hard to believe but nadira and I have a long history together that spans almost 20 years. She needs time to be by herself and find herself and I'm good with that. If she decides to return, I'm good with that as well. Anyone is free to speak to her to get her perspective, her handle here is KnadiaK. It was her suggestion that I look to bringing another into the house while she is gone and she has committed to accepting that girl, should she return.

As far as relocation, that is something that the future holds. I don't do cybersex or cybercollars if there is no chance that the girl will, if the relationship grows, what top be with me full time. Perhaps I need to make that clearer in my profile.

Again, thank you OsideGirl.




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