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Nelee -> RE: Stand you rground ..again in FL (11/28/2012 11:31:25 PM)
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC
You know you've mentioned this before but you were more even-handed in your previous post. You, of course, will do as you will. But personally I think it ill-suits ANY cause to denigrate those people who are already on-board. Driving away actual supporters is seldom wise. You can damned well bet that if I start to feel like I'm the enemy in black's eyes then I will treat them as the enemy also -- much like has happened with myself and feminism. Personally, I'd prefer to not be the enemy and not draw those particular battle lines.
Have you ever heard the phrase, "If you don't speak out against it, you're a part of the problem?" That's basically what I'm saying.
If an inability to recognize the reality of a situation and take into consideration the faults of a society makes a few turn of their noses, they can do as they will. They aren't people that I would particularly call "allies", in that case. Color blindness usually implies that race is a "social construct", and uses that to say that the people who talk about race/ism are the ones who keep it alive (ie. "omg Why does everything have to be about race?!") Because, my race is my identity. It is literally what makes me, me. People who push to ignore the race differences in crimes like this are the main reasons that it continues to happen. If you really think in a "color blind" way, you WON'T recognize the racism that occurs to others daily (or that you could even be inflicting on other, because you simply don't recognize your trespass).
I'm not driving away "supporters" by pointing this out. I'm making you come to terms with how the real world is, at the sake of the "security" of your ignorance. But by the fourth sentence, I can kind of tell the person I'm dealing with, so I don't feel the need to waste anymore of my time trying to explain. You would just complain about how I'm some type of radical and how I'm threatening your position in life or something.
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ORIGINAL: MstSebastian
So, because I don't think someone's race matters in how I treat them, because I don't look at the race of people in a story and assume that it was motivation, I am a racist myself?
Is that your claim?
No. My claim is, "If you don't speak out against it, you're a part of the problem." I'm saying that you're being an enabler, which in term is harming the people that you claim you are not hostile to. You say you aren't racist, but allow ideologies which would not criminalize racism to thrive. The actions and the words do not match up.
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC
[...]she has an unfortunate tendency to conflate "color blind" at the interpersonal level with "blind to the issues of minorities in the culture".
Not quite. Read what I wrote above. And it's not an "unfortunate tendency", but if you wish to misuse words to try and manipulate your point, then continue as you were.
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC
I cannot, myself, understand the wisdom of taking what should have been a positive label and perverting it in that way but it isn't my viewpoint. She kind of reminds me of the militant feminists. In her case.. "All white people are bad, even those who are on-side."
...But it's not a positive label, and that is what you don't seem to want to understand. Also, you're quite the hypocrite. I am perverting your "positive label", while you falsely summarizing my message as, "All white people are bad, even those who are on-side," is not?
Again, you show that you're unable to interpret my meaning. You're taking what I'm saying as personal attack on your position, rather than what it really is. Black people not trying to play King of the Mountain with you. Realizing that our problems are not the same as your own won't endanger your territory.
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