Aswad
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
The Palestinians as a people are in no danger from Israel.
~lol~
Thanks, Domken, I needed a good laugh.
I take it, then, that it's at least equally clear that the Israeli are in no danger from the Palestinians.
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After 45 years of occupation it should be clear to everyone that if Israel's intent was to wipe out the Palestinians they could have.
They could have.
But it's more cost effective, politically speaking, to retain them as slave labor, target practice and election props.
If they actually did wipe out the Palestinians, I would complain a lot less (but I would still complain, as conducting optional genocides is less than spectacularly polite behavior). The fact of the matter is, though, that the international community would revert to pre-30's views on Jews in short order if a predominantly Jewish population with a strong racist streak in their politics were to start a campaign of ethnic cleansing (Israel itself has, after all, been habitually conflating "Jew" and "Israeli" in the public mind worldwide so as to be able to discount criticisms of Israel the state by pretending that's the same as antisemitism), and that even the USA would probably cut financial and political support for the Israeli state itself if they were to do such a thing. Both would be seriously bad news for the Israeli state and people, to the point where it's absolutely worthwhile for Hamas to try to make that the only alternative to the liberation of Palestine.
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The fact is many Palestinians live fully integrated inside Israel which is surpassing odd if the Palestinian "struggle" was really one of survival.
A simple litmus test of integration is whether they consider themselves Israeli. Most do not. In fact, this is so well established that most academic literature consistently refers to them as Palestinians, which is what they tend to identify as. Most consider themselves to be de facto second class citizens, and want no part of the Israeli state itself, to the point of Israeli politics having been shaped by Arab boycotts of the elections leading to the far right getting an even stronger foothold in politics. Israel is defined as a Jewish state, despite the Jews in Israel being a minority in a short while, if you count the areas under Israeli occupation. Family reunions are being clamped down on to slow the growth of the ethnically Arab (i.e. Palestinian) population in Israel. Arabs are not drafted in the usual 3 year compulsory military service in the IDF, as the only group singled out this way, and very few voluntarily serve in the IDF, even when we confine the question to those with citizenship; because most don't want the state of Israel to even exist, let alone live with the Jewish Star of David on their flag.
Racism against Palestinians is institutionalized according to the UN and the Supreme Court (the main counterweight to Zionism in Israel), and Israeli police only kill Arab protesters, not Jewish protesters. Half the Jews there believe intermarriage with a Palestinian is treason to the State of Israel, and several places have vigilante groups trying to prevent any intermingling and thus reduction of the "purity" of the Jewish people, much like the USA with blacks during the segregation period, and highly reminiscent of Nazi Germany (like most things about Israel).
Mind explaining to me how there's fully integrated living going on?
By your standards, Jews were well integrated in Nazi Germany, sounds like.
IWYW,
— Aswad.
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"If God saw what any of us did that night, he didn't seem to mind.
From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.
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