Aswad
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Perhaps it should occur to you to stop slapping her if she's going to slap you 500 times with a spiked glove in retaliation. I mean, if you ask nicely, I'm sure she'd consider smacking you 500 times with a spiked glove for your mutual pleasure. lol
Sure, there's lots of things that should occur to people, but if you've paid attention, you know humans rarely use logic, and usually don't have a whole lot of logic to use when they do, anyway. This goes double for uneducated teenagers living on $900 a year or less. What it comes down to, though, is that if Alice slaps Bob, and Bob then slaps Charlie 500 times with a spiked glove, Charlie is probably going to slap Bob, because that's what humans do. The optimal solution might be for Charlie to take a step back, figure out why Bob slapped him, discover that Bob is responding to the slap from Alice, then work with Bob to stop Alice, and educate Bob on porportional responses and responding to the right person.
Honestly, if you had been a teenager, without schooling, living in poverty, and I had killed your parents or girlfriend or offspring, and you knew it was me and assumed a race or nation based motive, what would your response be, if there was no police force and no prospect of justice, compensation or even an apology, but possibly a shot at revenge in the offering?
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At some point, the Palestinians are going to have to figure out that Israel is going to continue to batter them if they continue to launch attacks into Israel.
It seems they've figured out that it doesn't seem to matter what they do: Israel will always keep battering them anyway.
To the average Palestinian, that's how the world seems to work: no matter what you do, you will always be bombed occasionally by Israel, and if it doesn't kill you, it will certainly kill some of your friends and family every now and then; you won't know why, and you won't have any influence over it. You're powerless, and you will randomly suffer at their hands until you die.
Try to imagine for a moment what it's like to live that way, and realize over a million children have been raised in that hell.
In fact, this is essentially how sedative, anxiolytic and antidepressant medications are tested, by subjecting the animals to the sort of conditions under which most Palestinian children are raised, then administering the drugs to see how much longer it takes before they give up and just stop trying to live, or how much it outwardly calms them, depending on the class of medication in question. Of course, none of the families there could possibly afford treatment for even one child, ever.
At this point, if the Israeli do kill them all, it would probably be fair to call it euthanasia. As such, each and every missile is a testament to the resillience of the human spirit, which Israel is trying to prove can always and reliably be broken with violence. One might admire their dedication to debasing humanity, if so inclined, but I'm not. I say get it over with, or act human.
How do you expect them to act in such circumstances?
How would you?
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Atsome point, Israel is going to have to figure out that the Palestinians are a people and they should not be exterminated with the responses.
Actually, I doubt they have to. The UN thing was a signal in that direction, but they're showing no signs of taking it. Rather, they're trying to provoke an escalation they can use to keep the support of the Zionist hardliners abroad while they're inching ever closer to the Final Solution to the araberproblem.
Don't get me wrong, it sucks to live with the air raid sirens, too.
Full stop.
Perspective matters, though, and when our reporters in Gaza can't take anymore, they go back into Israel to relax and recharge for their next tour in Gaza. The Palestinians don't have that option. Ever. You know what I would like to see? An average Israeli citizen, voluntarily living with the Palestinians through the next Israeli attack on Gaza, with no helmet, no vest and no option of leaving until it's done (which is still better than the natives get), just the exact same living conditions and possessions as the Palestinians, then coming back to Israel afterwards to report on it. I bet we'd see a thousand yard stare and not a whole lot of coherence out of the guy/gal for the first while after returning, no matter how many times he'd heard the air raid sirens in Israel before. And he would still be better off on all points.
You have to have something to give to give and take. This conflict is pretty onesided now; as the solution will be, whatever it is; that Hamas even tries, that's the symbol of hope right there, but they don't have the options, hold the cards or call the shots. You'll need an Israeli solution to this problem, in the end. And then, maybe some decades later, Israel can earn some respect again in this world. Jews will, of course, be tarred with the same brush by then, and the pendulum will be back to pre-Holocaust levels, but we can hope they will shed the stain eventually.
Sheesh... Israel is effin' depressing... a brown stain in the pants of humanity.
Kinda glad DomKen is attributing the Oslo I Accords entirely to the USA, really, like he's absolving Norway of appeasement.
IWYW,
— Aswad.
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"If God saw what any of us did that night, he didn't seem to mind.
From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.
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