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freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Welfare scrounging - about as low as it gets (12/11/2012 1:42:16 AM)
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ORIGINAL: stellauk
If you read the Daily Mail you would be under the impression that we have all these asylum seekers and refugees jumping the housing list and getting flats and handouts. This isn't how it is in reality, it's more like asylum seekers and refugees being trapped in hostels and bed and breakfast hotels for years so various charities and non-profits can milk the local authorities for housing benefit, with full cooperation of... the local authorities.
This is why you have people stuck on welfare benefits for so long. They aren't scrounging but are genuinely trapped in a situation they cannot easily get out of usually in a system of government agencies, charities and non-profits only too eager and too willing to make a tidy profit from their misfortune.
I disagree with that premise stella - from direct personal experience.
Here's an email I sent to my local MP about 6 months ago -
There are a number of discrepancies in the benefits system where housing is concerned and some people, myself included, are very peeved at how some people are able to jump the housing queues simply because of some idiotic rule or other that really needs to be sorted out. The example I am quoting here (and it’s quite a long one dealing with several issues) happened to me a while ago but is still very relevant today and all of this information wasn’t guesswork, it was what I gleaned from chatting to the people involved. Let’s take the situation of four groups of people, all trying to claim housing allocation and the various benefits that go with it….
1) The “average” couple with 2.4 kids (we’ll round it down to 2 for this example). Been waiting on the housing list for over 4 years and not been offered anywhere to date.
2) A young girl (under 20), visibly pregnant with 6 kids and a new boyfriend. Been waiting about 6 months for somewhere to live because her mum was fed up with all the kids living at home. She openly admitted that she wants as many kids as possible so the council will provide a decent home for her and her boyfriend and lots of money in benefits.
3) Myself with a nearly 7-month pregnant wife about to have a baby with a note from the doctor about a weak amniotic bag having already lost 1 child at 3 days old that was born at 27 weeks. We had been waiting for a couple of years but nothing was forthcoming as we didn’t have any living children to help boost our points allocation.
4) A Pakistani immigrant with 3 wives and 15 kids (or was it 16? I can’t remember) and only been in the country for one week and seeking asylum. He was living with his brother’s family but was ordered out by the local council for causing overcrowding. Not been on the housing list at all.
We were all waiting at our respective windows at the housing office (not here I might add) being attended to by our housing officers dealing with our housing claims.
The first couple, Mr & Mrs average with 2 youngish kids both going to school was told they didn’t have any suitable housing and they would have to continue waiting.
The young girl was told that her boyfriend didn’t count unless she could prove he was living with her permanently but there was a 3-bed unfurnished council house coming up in the next few weeks in a local village if she wanted it but she would have to wait until the family living there had moved out and the council had inspected it and done any fixing necessary. She was given a grant for almost £2,000 to buy furnishings for the house she had just been allocated.
I was very bluntly told there was a 7 year waiting list and the best they could do was a B&B 3 miles outside of town for up to 3 months on ‘emergency housing’ – take it or leave it. With my wife being 7 months pregnant and very likely to drop the baby any day soon, we took it.
The Pakistani immigrant was waiting for the housing officer to locate the keys for a fully-furnished 6-bedroomed house (two 3-bed houses knocked together into a single dwelling) that the council would pay for – rent and council tax. He was also given a giro for just over £1,000 for immediate expenses for his family.
It is obvious that the result from the four housing applications is very unfair and it’s no wonder that British people are unsympathetic towards immigrants and young girls who can’t keep their legs shut and refuse to go on the pill.
The average couple complained bitterly that the young girl was given a house before they were even though they had been waiting a long time. The housing officer just shut the window on them and they left the building very disgruntled.
The young girl was very happy and started filling in a form to accept the house that she had been offered.
The Pakistani man was absolutely beaming and rubbing his hands together.
I was so furious about the whole situation that I shouted at the housing officer and was bodily escorted from the building by security guards with the threat of being arrested for disorderly conduct.
So there is an actual real-life scenario that I actually lived through.
My step-daughter, who is 23 and single, has been told she'll have to wait until she's at least 25 before she will be accepted to go on the housing list and there is a minimum 6 year waiting time.
She sees this type of scenario almost every week with immigrants and assylum seekers that haven't been in the country five minutes.
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
I suspect the problem here is counting illiteracy as a disability and not as a failure in the education system.
Can someone tell me why parents are paid a cheque because their children can't read? Socialism isn't this generous or stupid with money, a socialist government would put the money into the education system to improve it.
You don't get a disability payment just because your child is illiterate.
You have to prove that there is some medical condition that makes that child illiterate or unable to learn in mainstream schools.
Though I do take issue with so many parents that can't be assed to raise their kids in a sensible manner and end up with unrully kids that run riot and stick the label of ADD or ADHD on them to get the disability payments.
Our immediate neighbour is one of such parents. It makes me sick that she's fooled the 'system' into paying disability payments for her kids.
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