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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/15/2012 3:48:31 PM   
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ah. and lol. catering to them. its kinda like teasing them out of their money


That is the other half of my problem.......I haven't the patience.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing the whole deal. It falls under the whole, it's a great gig if you can get it, kinda thing. It's just not my personality to do the gig.


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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/15/2012 3:54:57 PM   
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What I'd really be interested to see is people buying goats for impoverished families in Uganda in order to prove their seriousness to a domme.

You might enjoy this thread, Athena.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4109170/mpage_1/tm.htm#4109170

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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/16/2012 11:37:49 AM   
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Silly me, I must not be a weal and twue dominant woman.........I just don't care if the sub 'get's off' on my love of books!


Nope, you're doing it right, I'm the same way. I don't care what they get off on, buy Me what I want. And they do. I love books, and have gotten quite a few. Well I technically wanted Barnes and Noble gift cards and gotten them. I picked what I wanted. LOL.

Everyone has ways they do their Domming. I like to go for the "cater to Me" style.

UniqueJust, you should read the thread: is findomme a legit form of D/s
I think it will answer some of your questions. Even though I am quite sure I understand that you aren't one for finDommes. Still a good read.

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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/17/2012 2:20:14 PM   
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I imagine it's similar to why some straight people hate homosexuals.
They assume if someone is after dick they most certainly after their dick.
And if someone is looking for money, they much be after your wallet.

That or they've been scammed.
It's really not that hard to imagine.
Just block anyone who is bothering you.

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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/23/2012 6:46:58 AM   
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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/23/2012 7:01:42 AM   
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the big deal is that most men come to collarme for a free kinky nsa fuck & nothing more.once they see that
a)there are more men than women here
&
b)most of the young, beautiful women are prodommes or findoms,

the entitled get angry.

i wouldnt worry about any of it, you are young. you will learn.i'd just keep it moving. haters will hate, as the kids would say.




I love what u said here u kept it 100%

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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/23/2012 11:34:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fetisheden

the big deal is that most men come to collarme for a free kinky nsa fuck & nothing more.once they see that
a)there are more men than women here
&
b)most of the young, beautiful women are prodommes or findoms,

the entitled get angry.

i wouldnt worry about any of it, you are young. you will learn.i'd just keep it moving. haters will hate, as the kids would say.



I love what u said here u kept it 100%

Why? It's hateful and biased against men and dead off on the "beautiful young women" part.
Take a peek at the profile side-the vast majority of the "beautiful young" female dommes are fake. And frankly, I question what exactly makes the vast majority of these gals worthy of the title dominant, much less hard cash, other than a stolen picture of a pretty young thing and a desire for easy money.

My case:

First off, having been parts of many many scenes for years, I've gotta say that it's my overall observation that many more women lean toward the sub side than dominant. Dunno why, but I suspect it's just the way gals are wired...well that and reading waaaay to many Harlequin romances as kids.

Second-I would wager that almost 50% of the female profiles here between a 18-40 are femme dommes, cash only, and that doesn't correlate even remotely with any dungeon I've played in. You'll see an occasional young femme domme, but they are far more the exception than the rule. So what brings all these "beautiful young women" here as "findommes?"
Oh yeah, a chance for easy cash, and personally, I find that repulsive and reprehensible.
And don't come giving me shit here, not when there are all sorts of sites out there named things like "How to be a collarme findomme."

Third, again, what have these gals done to qualify themselves as a dominant? I have this irrational, perhaps outdated idea that being a dominant involves more than providing phone sex style wank fodder and an amazon wish list. It involves things like the ability to take charge, integrity, insight, honor, good judgement, consideration-not just hurling invectives at some "cash piggies." Hell, do these chicas even have a clue how to handle a cane, much less a bullwhip?

Fourth,ever heard the saying, "He who provides the cash makes the rules?" Or how about that old cliche about gifts and strings being attached.

Fifth, and this is just a personal thing-yeah, I understand the, I don't wanna say need, so let's say usefulness/purpose, of a fin domme and the role they play in fetish, but there's a helluva difference between providing a service and what most of the "findommes" on here do. Call me old-fashioned, call me over the hill, but I do what I do for fun and for free, no cash changes hands. It keeps this thing (Oh dear God, I'm starting to sound like Michael, shoot me now (Just teasing SM)) pure, maintains it's and mine own integrity. I'm in this thing for control/power/sex, not loot. And to me, and this IJMHO, that makes all the difference in the world.

Query-why is it acceptable to bash men on here but its verboten to say nary a word against a gal? Can't you see the double standard?


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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/23/2012 12:24:16 PM   
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Query-why is it acceptable to bash men on here but its verboten to say nary a word against a gal? Can't you see the double standard?

A) Both fetisheden and THESCANDALOUS1 are findommes. Both make a habit of putting men down. It's not that surprising to see male bashing in their posts.
B) Society as a whole doesn't protect males in the way females are protected. It's always perfectly acceptable to say "men are pigs".

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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/23/2012 12:33:01 PM   
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And that is sad. I feel sorry for a lot of men when I see the man hating taking place here and it happens a lot more than I think most realize on here. I understand why. The girls have been burned, they get cheated on, they are now hurt and no longer trust anyone at all. They are now jaded and bitter and instead of realizing life is full of risks and makes you grow, they decide to stay the way they are because for some reason it's easier to do than to work on yourself.


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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/23/2012 12:55:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana
Query-why is it acceptable to bash men on here but its verboten to say nary a word against a gal? Can't you see the double standard?

A) Both fetisheden and THESCANDALOUS1 are findommes. Both make a habit of putting men down. It's not that surprising to see male bashing in their posts.
B) Society as a whole doesn't protect males in the way females are protected. It's always perfectly acceptable to say "men are pigs".

And again, why does either of those excuses make it acceptable. Not to mention that such comments are obviously implicitly condoned, not just by general consensus of the unwashed masses (by which I mean the vast majority of CM forum regulars, myself included)who fail to deride such hatred, but also the powers that be.

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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/23/2012 1:04:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kana


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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

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ORIGINAL: Kana
Query-why is it acceptable to bash men on here but its verboten to say nary a word against a gal? Can't you see the double standard?

A) Both fetisheden and THESCANDALOUS1 are findommes. Both make a habit of putting men down. It's not that surprising to see male bashing in their posts.
B) Society as a whole doesn't protect males in the way females are protected. It's always perfectly acceptable to say "men are pigs".

And again, why does either of those excuses make it acceptable. Not to mention that such comments are obviously implicitly condoned, not just by general consensus of the unwashed masses (by which I mean the vast majority of CM forum regulars, myself included)who fail to deride such hatred, but also the powers that be.


I see the double standard and it's not acceptable in my eyes. Nobody should be tossing around insults just to toss around insults.

I'm a finDomme and I do not make a habit of putting down a man just because he's a man. Put-downs are reserved for those that are mine and crave these kinds of relationships, even then they (insults and putdowns) have their place.

Also, I just want to say that in my opinion, subs are not worthless pigs. Without submissives there can be no dominants.



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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/23/2012 1:30:01 PM   
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Yeah Allison... my apologies. I should've been a little more clear with the "findommes" part. But it doesn't strike me as implausible to say that if someone came to this site and their head was all focused around "pay pigs" and the like then ... well ... that thought pattern would leak out even if the findomme in question didn't actually think "men are pigs" as a general rule.

And to answer Kana's question, it is accepted at the societal level because we never had men's lib. At the personal level it's a personal decision for each male (and I suppose women also if they happen to notice and care) whether they tolerate that sort of thinking or not. I don't and my circle of friends reflects that. I personally don't expect "the powers that be" here at CM to fix a societal level issue so I don't hold them responsible for acting in accordance with the standards of the society they operate in.

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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/23/2012 1:58:58 PM   
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Third, again, what have these gals done to qualify themselves as a dominant? I have this irrational, perhaps outdated idea that being a dominant involves more than providing phone sex style wank fodder and an amazon wish list. It involves things like the ability to take charge, integrity, insight, honor, good judgement, consideration-not just hurling invectives at some "cash piggies." Hell, do these chicas even have a clue how to handle a cane, much less a bullwhip?


I'd say "being a dominant" means whatever works for the people who are in the relationship. I've known plenty of dominants who don't know a thing about a bullwhip, and plenty of dommes and subs who have no interest in incorporating such things into their relationship.

I am not into findom myself, but they don't bother me, because I don't really care much what other people choose to do. To each his own. But the notion that there is some criteria of what a dominant "should be" strikes me as silly. BDSM is a spectrum. As long as you find someone on the spectrum that works for you that's all that matters. If that's a findom, knock yourself out.

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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/23/2012 2:06:27 PM   
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I'd say "being a dominant" means whatever works for the people who are in the relationship.

Down any other path is madness. Were I to apply my own standards there'd be damned few dominants on CM. I pretty much assume the same would happen to everyone else. So then we'd all be standing around pointing at each other and saying "fake". What's the point?

I understand the temptation to say, "But man... that is just SOOOooooooo different that surely it cannot be authentic" but I just don't think it gets anywhere useful.

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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/23/2012 2:22:50 PM   
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Third, again, what have these gals done to qualify themselves as a dominant? I have this irrational, perhaps outdated idea that being a dominant involves more than providing phone sex style wank fodder and an amazon wish list. It involves things like the ability to take charge, integrity, insight, honor, good judgement, consideration-not just hurling invectives at some "cash piggies." Hell, do these chicas even have a clue how to handle a cane, much less a bullwhip?


I'd say "being a dominant" means whatever works for the people who are in the relationship. I've known plenty of dominants who don't know a thing about a bullwhip, and plenty of dommes and subs who have no interest in incorporating such things into their relationship.

I am not into findom myself, but they don't bother me, because I don't really care much what other people choose to do. To each his own. But the notion that there is some criteria of what a dominant "should be" strikes me as silly. BDSM is a spectrum. As long as you find someone on the spectrum that works for you that's all that matters. If that's a findom, knock yourself out.

So saying "Send me your money," makes one a dominant?
Alrighty then. Guess that makes every cashier in America a dom/domme.

And generally speaking I agree with you. One of the things I like best about BDSM is that there are no rules, and no one way to do it right, or wrong.
And again, maybe I'm being old school, maybe I'm sliding into Simply Michael/Lady Pact side of things, but I think there's a wee bit more to being a dominant than demanding cash.
And that applies for men, women, german shepherds, aliens, whatever. I think at some point there should be some leadership involved, some control, crazy things like that.
So yeah,call me crazy, label me deluded, IMHO it takes more than the capacity to fill out an amazon wishlist to be dominant

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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/23/2012 2:30:49 PM   
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And again, why does either of those excuses make it acceptable. Not to mention that such comments are obviously implicitly condoned, not just by general consensus of the unwashed masses (by which I mean the vast majority of CM forum regulars, myself included)who fail to deride such hatred, but also the powers that be.
It might be that certain CM regulars have so little stock in the sources of such statements that it doesn't warrant the keystrokes to continually tell folks that their 'fin domme personna' only works on those that are their target audience.

It's very much the same reason that you'll read a number of femdoms opinions of lousy BDSM porn. Also full of the 'worthless worm' shit that most of us can't stand. However, porn producers know what sells and what men will pay for. I would have to think the method is similar.




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ORIGINAL: Kana
And again, maybe I'm being old school, maybe I'm sliding into Simply Michael/Lady Pact side of things.......
I have the feeling I'd laugh My tail off should I have the opportunity to see the reaction on Michael's face when he reads that one.





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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/23/2012 2:30:55 PM   
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So yeah,call me crazy, label me deluded, IMHO it takes more than the capacity to fill out an amazon wishlist to be dominant

Heh... given that you'd be one of my "damned few dominants on CM" list you might imagine I agree with you. It sure as hell isn't anything like the thing I call "dominance". I just don't think I own the definition of that word. I already track 3 substantially different meanings for that word. Adding in a 4th doesn't harsh my vibe.

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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/23/2012 2:32:54 PM   
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My issue with pro-domms and cash bitches is that the cheat people, their whole deal is most often a scam.

There is integrity in offereing to simulate kink for a married guy who cant do it for real.

But to act like they are an accepted part of "us" and that what they offer isnt just a pale substitute but the real thing OFFENDS me and robs some people of the chance to discover what we do.

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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/23/2012 2:49:41 PM   
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None of us like to see people taken advantage of. It is the "underdog" thing. Granted, when you have two consenting adults, it is their own business but many of us see a charlatan making promises, putting up a good show...manipulating and taking advantage of someone weaker. I guess if I saw the FinDomme (& I know there are some on the boards who do just this) making conversations with "non-pigs" and talking about things other than money, I see them different then the ones who run around hurling insults and demanding stuff. The findommes who act like people first, are easier to view as having a "kink" or "satisfying another kink". Like Kana said, there is so much more to being a Dom than barking orders and most of the ones running around here seem to do nothing but issue edicts.

The other issue is that, it is one thing if they are abusing, using someone who knows "the score" but it often seems that the ones being used are not familiar with all the rules.

IMO, I would have no beef with them if they, like the rest of us, posted a profile saying what they are looking for, asked questions &got to know the sub a little before entering a D/s dynamic and then progressed. The problem I see is that many want to demand and accept tributes immediately and many subs want to get as much for free as possible or be "special" & have a FinDomme care so much about them that she doesn't want tributes. Yes, the wannabe subs are just as bad which is why I think the real findommes should spell out exactly what is expected, how soon payment must be made, what services will be and will not be provided..so there are no misunderstandings.

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RE: What's the big deal about FinDoms? - 12/23/2012 2:51:24 PM   
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My issue with pro-domms and cash bitches is that the cheat people, their whole deal is most often a scam.

There is integrity in offereing to simulate kink for a married guy who cant do it for real.

But to act like they are an accepted part of "us" and that what they offer isnt just a pale substitute but the real thing OFFENDS me and robs some people of the chance to discover what we do.


So essentially what you're saying here is that your real issue is not with pro-dommes and 'cash bitches' it's with the ones that are strictly here (or anywhere on any site) to make a buck.

There are MANY of us that live the lifestyle that are finDommes on the side. I am the real thing and I am not a pale substitute. That is horribly offensive to me.

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