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Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 9:03:19 AM   
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There are a great many Dominant profiles on this site where the person is clearly a Dominant of high standards and offers what many sub males would see as the "life" of their dreams and yet these people are still looking after years and years.  I should hasten to add their profiles are active on a daily basis, so they are not dormant.  I know of many profiles here that I first noticed on Alt or B.com long before Collarme arrived...and those profiles have been up for a considerable time there as well.
 
Is it really that hard to find one man who would serve you the way you wish?  There are plenty of threads discussing why males are so inept and/or disingenuous as the reason but I think it's a big mistake to cite this as the principle cause.  What about you the Dominant?  What could be the salient flaws that Dominants are making?  This seems a valid question to be discussed here.
 
I will add that many of these profiles never post on the boards...not sure why but I bet they do lurk here and read the threads from time to time.  So how about it?  Care to level the playing field on a humanistic basis to give everyone some insights?
 
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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 10:48:11 AM   
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Well, I can say that some of us are not looking for "one man" at all so we probably don't feel like we have failed in any search.

But there are multiple reasons why tops don't succeed that mirror or are exactly the same as bottoms in my opinion.

Very specific fantasy to fulfill.
Location.
Lack of meatlife realities to offer.
Attitude.
etc.....

I think finding partners is pretty much the same whether you are dom or sub, top or bottom, or switch.

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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 10:58:52 AM   
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Thanks for your thoughts...by "one man" I mean as in, "there must be at least one person out there that fills the bill."
 
I should add that part of why I'm asking the question is it occurred to me that just as there are many frustrated males, there are certainly many frustrated females and wondered if talking about it couldn't help reveal some similarities as well as issues specific to either side of the fence.  I know this could be viewed as an, "Emperor's New Clothes" discussion but that doesn't mean it's taboo.
 
I think it would be great if everyone could hold off dressing up like Domme and sub to start playing castle...and instead just talk about issues as people.  Particularly those who's profiles come right out of the gate with demands and expectations...again, Domme or sub.
 
anthrosub
 
P.S.  I mispelled "Successful."  I hate that. 

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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 11:14:15 AM   
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I met/dated many submissive men when I was single and I ended up marrying a vanilla man who was only semi "kink curious."  The reason the dozens of submissive men did not connect with me --

* They were not what they said they were online (often they pretended to be things they were not, just to try to get a foot in the door -- falking interests, age, ambitions)
* They lacked relationship skills and were poor daters
* They focussed so much on kink compatibility or submission that I got burnt out
* They were too passive/submissive in day to day activities. "I don't care, what do you want to eat?"
* They were not someone I could take home to meet my parents or co workers because they were too shy, embarassed, awkward
* Or, most importantly, we just didn't "click."

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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 11:24:00 AM   
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*nods* What Akasha said.

There are many reasons - from lack of day to day compatability, to lying and cheating ... End result is that we have one that fits what we want/need, and still need another - we know that what we are looking for exists, we just have to sort through everyone that doesn't fit.

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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 11:24:51 AM   
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I think I have been successful over the years but also as thetammyjo stated, I am not looking for only ONE man.  So, I have some come and go but my profile itself has generated reasonable success.  Any difficulties I have are weeding down specifics.  For example, I only consider local subs.  There goes one giant piece of the pie in the world.  Next, I'm married and have children, there goes another.  I'm poly, whittled down more.  I don't want live in, whittled down more.  I am sadistic and like service, down again.  The you have this smaller pool of hopefuls and it starts coming down to personalities and play preferences until you are left with just a few. 

This process can take awhile but in the end, it's good because everyone is getting what they want. 

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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 11:27:52 AM   
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Dear anthrosub, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Success is in the one's who define what success is.
 
That said, I am picky as to whom I want in my life, as I prefer a 'slave'  over submissive; as well as a gentleman who has mileage as much as I, so that the fantasy phase, the lifestyle 24/7 is no longer an experiment but an experience.  I am also looking for someone who is willing to appear publicly and privately, such as groups, presentations, demonstrations, lectures, gatherings like munches, parties and teas.  I also look for slaves who don't think about sex as the "end" all of service.  It is also hard to find men who wish to serve domesticly and personally, that do not add 'sex' as the most important thing of 'submission.'   Perhaps this is why I enjoy being served by Gay males, as sex is not even a remote thought and what heterosexual men and or bi-sexual men do not understand this mindset that Gay men have, is what I seek - service, submission, respect and protocols. 
 
I do believe those seeking, find dominants like me are extremely firm on certain things, to the point there is no compromise.  Knowing me best, I rather be without a slave than to have a slave that does not please me the way I wish to be pleased.  When I over compensate as to feed the needs of a slave, I loose my authenticity and my nature of an unfettered dominant and that will not feed me.
 
I do want more than one male slave.  The one male slave in serving me will work hard and I need to make sure slaves have their fun also.  If two, at least there will be two men to work and get it over with and done faster.  I also cite cost of living is higher, so pooling resources is an attraction.  I want my slaves to have money, to save and grow so they don't have to work when they're 65 or older.  I also want my slaves to be more than labor but, family to me as well as to their brother slaves.  I also want them to love each other as brother slaves.  If Gay or Bi-sexual, wonderful - as they can sexually pleasure each other.  If heterosexual, I would have to consider a female slave into the household to sexually address the slave's needs.
 
So, as you can see-- It just isn't simple.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 11:45:23 AM   
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All of the previous replies are absolutely fabulous and I couldn't agree more.

I will add that some other things factor into the equation for me:

1) I've had great success and have reached a number of plateaus where yes, it's now for "the experience" and not "the experimentation."  My involvement with BDSM is a very internal, emotional and spiritual journey.  Not everyone, especially not males, wants their SM feelings on the inside, rather, they want their SM on the outside, in the form of crossdressing, pain or bondage.

2) The public factor is pretty grand for me.  I've held international leather titles and have been an educator in the "public" pansexual BDSM community for a number of years.  You can't find a carpenter to put me back in the SM closet at this point.  While my relationship will primarily be "life" and that's nothing special for anyone to see through the glass side of the house, I intend to continue to teach and educate and more importantly, I want to attend and enjoy these events that I've been running around to WITH the partner/slave.  I can't likely do that with someone who needs or expects to be kept in the closet, or with someone who for whatever reason, feels he cannot be a part of the public side of the SM and leather world.

3) While I'm on that subject, I seem to see life a little differently.  I enjoy an alpha slave who is my compliment in intelligence, in the business world, etc....and he submits only to me.  He's by my side in life and at my feet when I choose.  He need not see me as one of the many women who are supreme -- as I am his one and only woman supreme.  I'm not a subscriber to the female supremacy genre and feel that those males who are will be sadly disappointed in service to me.  I run across many men who cannot imagine being at the side of a woman and who at least claim that they need to feel themself below me at all times.....it is not *MY* kink but theirs.  I seem to turn MANY of them away.

4) Physically, I'm not everyone's cup of tea.  I accept that as a fact.  I'm not looking for a greek god, myself.  I have a preference towards a masculine male, and one who is well groomed and of neat appearance.  I don't think that's hard to ask for.

5) As a dominant, I'm not everyone's cup of tea either.  I'm not a loud, screaming, demanding bitch.  I am a tender but brutal sadist when I have that hunger. I enjoy making men cry for me.  I don't care for crossdressing or alot of anal play or things that many men clamor for. 

Just by the nature of what I seek (a kinky masochistic single adult who wants SM as a part of his life with a woman, with certain parameters)  I accept that I am essentially looking for a needle in a haystack.  But, I should not be expected to cede my wishes in the interest of placating someone else or expanding their experience only to have them move on and find another "hobby" to get their dick wet.

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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 11:46:56 AM   
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It takes a bit of self-reflection to find some of the answers. Of course I can only speak for myself.

My geographical area simply sucks. I’m on the Ohio/WV border. The pickins here are a bit slim. I left the local munch group in the area about 3 years ago due to the politics and cliques. I’m looking at a 2-3 hour drive just to go to a munch with a different crowd of people. The nearest one doesn’t have any sort of play parties. I think the nearest dungeon is about a 4 – 6 hour drive. I just can’t convince myself that it’s worth that much driving and that much expense every 2 weeks to get to know a group of people that might or might not include a potential partner for me.

If I look at the available pool of submissives near me, there’s always something that doesn’t mesh. This may be because I am too picky. I really don’t know.
It seems like most of the submissive males in my area are dead set on cross-dressing, and that’s just something I can’t get into. Academically guessing, I have a theory that the high propensity for cross-dressing males in this area is because I live in a region where sexism is taught from birth. When someone starts noticing their ‘deviant inclinations’, breaking the gender molds is probably the easiest and most natural route in doing so. But I digress…
It also seems that the majority of submissives in my area are college age guys. I don’t particularly have a problem with this age group, but when it’s the only option available, it becomes mundane. I’m a 32 year old woman with a teenage son and a lot of life experience. I don’t want to feel like all my BDSM encounters are with boys only a few years older than my son. I’d like to find some subs who can share in conversations about parenting, and the work-force, and aging, and a plethora of other things. I grow tired of hearing about how they have to hide their lifestyle from their Mommy and Daddy (who half the time they are still living with), and the constant reflecting back on how things were in high school… 2 years ago. High school is long gone for me and it’s difficult to relate. I don’t think I’ve ever had a conversation about a sub’s ex-wife. None of them have ever been married. None of them have kids. Half of them are still virgins. They don’t possess basic life skills like managing finances, home maintenance, and coordinating/planning. It’s difficult to delegate duties to people who have no experience in the world.
Along with lacking life experience, they also tend to lack experience in the lifestyle. Most of them are still very wrapped up in the media portrayed Dominatrix/slave dynamic. When they realize I’m not rich, I’m not tall, I’m not thin, I don’t dress up daily in a latex cat suit, their interest declines. They still believe that they will be naked (or sissified) and shackled, dusting vases while wearing a butt plug all day, and then flogged every night. I’m so sick of dispelling the myth, that when I meet a new person with preconceived notions, I write them off rather quickly.
Quite frankly, I come to learn that every time I "dispel the myth", I’m also being rejected. And rejection never feels good to anyone. It becomes damaging to one’s self-esteem after a while to constantly have to repeat "I’m short. I’m fat. I’m not wealthy. I get sick. I have problems. I make mistakes." and on and on. It would really be nice to find a group of people who understand the human dynamic so I could occasionally stroke my ego instead of constantly pointing out my "flaws".
Once I eliminate the cross-dressers, and the college kids, and the myth-holding fetishists, all I’m really left with around here is a few scattered married guys who are getting their kink on via cheating on their wives. Another line I won’t cross.

Having eliminated the local pool, I turn to online. I really suck at this whole online dating/matchmaking thing. I don’t "get it". I’m not used to writing my conversations. I’m used to talking to people face-to-face, watching their reactions, hearing their tone of voice, reading their body language. I’m absolutely inept at trying to chat someone up in an email. It seems to take 6 weeks to accomplish the same amount of conversation I could have in a day with someone in person. I can’t ask the cutie in New York to join me for a cup of coffee on his lunch hour. I run out of things to say online, when in person I can seem to ramble on for hours.

Then I have this whole asexuality thing that really drives down the twitterpated population immensely. I know there are other Dominant women out there who don’t want sexual service. I wonder how well they are doing in their searches. Because for the life of me, I cannot find a submissive who isn’t in some way, shape or form, talking about strap-ons, face-sitting, queening, chastity belts, orgasm control, cuckolding, oral servicing, rimming, CBT, milking, anal training, anal plugs, pussy worship, enemas, rape fantasies, fisting, etc. etc. etc. I get to the point where I just roll my eyes and quit listening. And on bad days, I become flippant and sarcastic.

All of this is a look at the sub pool.
To be honest with myself I need to look at me too.
And here’s what I find as my own "faults" in the search.

I’m not proactive. I typically don’t message submissives. For a few reasons. Like I already said, I kind of suck at this whole written conversation thing. I’m not sure exactly what steps I’m supposed to be taking. I try small talk "So, what do you do for a living?" and I’m met with "I can’t talk about it. I need discretion." or "So, how old are your kids?" and I’m met with "I won’t give out personal information for the safety of my family." I feel like I’m trying to chat up an FBI informant in the witness protection program.
Even when I find someone compatible, they’re usually in the same boat I’m in. They’re content for the time being (and the next 5 years or so) where they’re at. They aren’t willing to quit their job, uproot their kids, and move to podunk nowhere West Virginia to start a relationship based on some online chit-chat. Neither of us can afford to start buying monthly round trip plane tickets for the sake of getting to know each other on a deeper level. I kind of get to the point where I give up on it. In my head, I’m thinking "It’s been interesting chit-chatting with you, but since you’re 3000 miles away and we’re not meeting anytime in the next 5 – 10 years, why should we pretend this "relationship" is going to go anywhere?"
A few other reasons I don’t message subs…. I don’t want to risk finding yet another wanker or married guy. I don’t really have the time or inclination to sit and weed through profiles when I could spend that time on the forums instead. Their interests aren’t compatible in the first place.

Another "fault" of my own is that I haven’t done what I need to do, in order to get what I’m looking for. Ultimately, I’d like a Dominant male partner. I kind of assume Dominant men want submissive women, so I don’t even pursue them. I don’t really even make myself available to them. Ultimately, I’d like a poly household. However, I live in a small apartment and for now, my kids are my priority when it comes to food, shelter, bedrooms, clothing expenses, etc. Since I can’t really accommodate a poly household on my income alone, I don’t actively seek out poly people. Ultimately, I’d like someone who understands the unique dynamics I want. However, I don’t take the time to spell it out on my profile. My profile is a bulleted list that weeds out what I’m not looking for. It’s set up that way because it helps immensely in cutting down on high volumes of senseless mail. "Edit collarme profile to more accurately portray what you are seeking while still maintaining a direct element to eliminate what you’re not seeking" is on my list of things to do. I consistently put off doing it. It seems like a headache with very little payoff.
As long as I continue to do what I’m doing, I’ll continue to get what I’m getting.
However, for one reason or another, doing things differently either isn’t possible, probable, or practical for now.

For the most part, I put a little profile up here and there, attend one or two munches a year, and let people know I’m available. And then I’m content to go about living my life. I’m not feeling any deep longing for a significant other. I’m not pining away with loneliness. I don’t cry in my pillow at night because I feel unwanted. I have an on-again-off-again boy who would probably accommodate me if I seriously needed to beat someone’s butt. I have a busy household with all the kids coming and going. I have hobbies. I have friends. Life isn’t perfect and it isn’t what I ultimately hope it to be. But it’s ok for now. When the kids move out, or when I meet someone I’m all mushy over, or when I move, or change careers, or lose a family member, or go through some sort of life change, or become bored or lonely, I might more actively pursue people.
But for now, I’m for-the-most-part content, and really have priorities other than finding mates. If one walks into my life, or for some reason there’s an immediate attraction and click, then I would assume it’s meant to be, and would move forward with it. In the meantime, I dismiss what I don’t want and leave the door open for what I do want. And that’s about the extent of my "looking".


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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 11:58:37 AM   
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MsKatHouston... you think as i do.  i've looked at the men, taken off the top most that are not in the lifestyle, not into women, married (a hard limit for me) and others for various reasons, then remove the smokers and cat owners for allergy reasons and then see what's left... there are 2 i think... one doesn't want anything to do with me and so far, i cannot seem to find the 2nd one... anyone knowing where he is please let me know as i'm getting very very old and he might die before he finds me!  (this was said tongue-in-cheek not in negativity)

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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 12:08:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Proprietrix
Once I eliminate the cross-dressers, and the college kids, and the myth-holding fetishists, all I’m really left with around here is a few scattered married guys who are getting their kink on via cheating on their wives. Another line I won’t cross.


Wow, the pool really isn't that different around the east coast, is it? LOL

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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 12:17:11 PM   
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Why Haven't I been successful?
 
1) Distance most of those that I connect with live so far away.
2) Fantasy vs real life. I've run into those that are just wanting to play and fulfill fantasy where as I live my lifestyle as a dominant woman with a kinky side. I'm not into playing with someone for fun.
3) Being a whats the term being used BBW or rather 5'11" 230lbs black woman I'm not everyone's cup of tea.
4) I wont break out the Domme gear and toys on the first few meeting because I'm actually trying to get to know a person. And the very few times that I've done they have disappeared after the session.
5) Because I'm after long termed relationship its important that we have common interest outside of BDSM.
6) As mentioned before I need someone that I can introduce to family and take to company functions.
7) Kinks dont line up. I know what I want and when submissives or slaves demand that I do things to them or do them a certain way, Its the deal breaker.
8) Upon finally meeting someone for coffee they are not what they presented themselves as online. And there is no chemistry.
9) They are just playing games trying to talk to as many women and men as possible and just set up contacts to get free sex and sessions, no intention of being owned by one.
10) Ultimately is that I'm just damned picky. I know what fits my needs and I will keep looking until I find someone that is a close as possible to that or at least trainable. I dont have to settle for someone that is totally dysfunctional to my life.

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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 12:29:08 PM   
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Dear anthrosub, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I will have to agree with Proprietrix and Pandora; as it is very difficult to find men who don't want to cross-dress, as to explore and experience their vunerable selves.  Men have difficulty in opening up their souls and be vunerable to a female dominant, such as I.
 
Men seem to wish to 'fix' me, as in a re-inventing me into their standards of what fixed is.  Some men want to make a competition out of the lifestyle by saying that they can please me better in this or that, which mainly is 'sex.'  I seem to hear it as a similar problem with other female dominants who are happy as is but, lack the slave to feed into that happiness.
 
Location is also a real problem for some.  Others may have relatives to care for.  I have no kids, unless a parent counts.  (The parent has health and Alzheimer's and I'm sole custodian).  So, until that parent is dispatched one way or the other--I can't relocate if I wanted to.  But, honestly, my roots are buried here.  I have so many leather family roots here.  Washington, DC has many places to enjoy like minded individuals.
 
Attitude and behavior is also a factor in all of this.  It just isn't as easy to go to "Slaves R Us," and pick out a few lads.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 12:59:13 PM   
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Since you asked, I may have to air a little dirty laundry.
I have been looking for a while now, and have had some success, but I have not achieved collar level success yet, and my reasons are as follows:

1)My first D/s experience was with a man who has the qualities physically and intellectually to be my counterpart, but he lacked in gentleman manners on occasion, ran away when things got too emotionally heavy, and is only trully submissive when he needs a domme fix (until he cums).
2) Chemistry: Something hard to place my finger on, because knowing what I like is no exact indicator of whether I will feel that certain something (that makes me want to shed mine/order him to shed his clothes) when in his presence.  Physically I'm not attracted to everyone and everyone isn't attracted to me.  I've met a few perfectly decent men with whom I had no chemistry.   
3) I cringe when some submissive men approach me wanting to shove the cuckoldry with black man down my throat.
4) I had a nice long distance relationship with a man who called himself a slave, but he was rather bratty; not so much resistant as he was whiny, passive aggressive, and underhanded in his resistance. 
I have since decided that I much prefer a man who speaks up respectfully when he has an issue bothering him. 
There were also physical reasons we weren't compatible, but that is not important here.  
On the up side, he was the most chivalrous submissive gentleman I've met to date.  If not for the physical incompatibilities between myself and the first slave I had a relationship with, I would still be with him, because he was a gentleman and knew how to treat me in public/private.  The brattyness I could have dealt with with time and discipline.
5) My second long term attempt was with an older gentleman who turned out to be in a long term committed relationship with a vanilla...  Broke my heart actually.
6) I have encountered a multitude of male bottoms with whom I could have a relationship, but I would much prefer to have a relationship with a vanilla or dominant man than a man who is only a bottom to me in the bedroom. 
7) My shortcomings: there are so many, lol.   I'm imperfect and humbled by many things, among which is a slight lack of experience within this lifestyle.  I looooooove intellectual people who have something to teach and make the world a better place, but cannot stand elitist/snobbish folks. 
8) I also have zero tolerance for men who are cheap, disrespectful/hateful to women in general (while suggesting he can love/respect me), emotionally unavailable, married/lying to their wives, whiny, or are lazy about putting in effort into seeking/maintaining a relationship so choosing submission as a passive approach to getting a woman.
9) I like men who respect themselves, are aware of other human beings and connects with them in respect/consideration (you know, doing onto others as you'd have them do onto you), are kind, and mostly I love a man who knows that being strong and submissive to his lady are not contradictions.  
10) Last but hardly least, what other women have mentioned: imcompatible kinks.   I tend to be fairly open to trying some new things, but there are those things which literally shut me down sexually and changes the way I see a man, and they are those things listed as probably limits on my profile.   M

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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 1:35:45 PM   
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I feel I have to go back and point out more of MY flaws and theories as to why I'm not further along than I should be at this stage:

-- I took 2+ years out of my personal life to pursue the Ms World Leather title.  It ended with a close friend finally receiving a kidney transplant as a result of my work.  It was gratifying, but in the end, I don't necessarily think that those things helped me attain what I was seeking personally.

-- Life experiences have taught me what generally does not work.  I kick many to the curb simply because they "look" like a previous situation that turned out less than optimal.  Perhaps I'm shunning away Slave Right?  Who knows?

-- My availability isn't all that great right now either.  I work as an organ transplant coordinator, and often either rotate an odd night schedule, or am out on extended call, sometimes even out of town.  I also have teaching and event obligations in the leather community, most recently, being on the production team of a local men's leather contest. On the flip side, I keep my phone on 24/7 and have access to email almost around the clock.  I believe communication in those times when you're apart is key to making things work.  I don't see so many men facing me that reciprocate.

-- And probably worst of all, I see myself as a rather intolerant, impatient Taurean woman who knows what she wants and gets downright mad when it's suggested that she take something less.  I am slow to stir yet once infuriated, there is really nothing that will get you back in my good graces.  That's unfortunate for someone who makes a catastrophic first approach and hopes for a redo.

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Ms Philadelphia Leather 2004

"Simply put, if you want a real femdom to love you, give her reasons to love you." Gloria Brame

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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 1:48:55 PM   
MsCameron


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Why Haven't You been Sucessful?

For most of the reasons already posted by the lovely ladies above :)

The most important being that I won't settle for less. I'm 48 years old and I know what it is that I want. For instance, I'm attracted to a masculine man.. and a sissy boy just won't do it for me.
It's also not the end of the world that I'm "subless in Toronto". I have a full life with my friends and keep myself in the lifestyle as much as I can.

In the meantime, I keep a somewhat quiet search going.

MsCameron

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And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
Spiral out. Keep going, going...
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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 2:07:24 PM   
MysticFireTopaz


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Interesting question....
 
Many of these have already been mentioned, but I will focus on the reasons that apply in My case.
  1. Fortunately or unfortunately, I have owned some absolutely wonderful submissive males in the past.  Therefore, the bar is set pretty high.
  2. I am seeking a submissive or slave who will also be My life partner for a long-term, commited relationship.  It is therefore essential that W/we connect on many levels, not just in bdsm.  I am also looking for a person in My general age range, which rules out the dozens of 20 something's who write to Me each week.  I also will not consider married or separated men, women, couples, transgendered individuals, switches, dominants, adult babies, or cuckolds, which narrows the pool further. 
  3. Having been in the lifestyle awhile, I am pretty clear on what does and does not work for Me.  Hence, My requirements are fairly stringent.  I am not going to knowingly enter into situations that did not work for Me in the past.
  4. I am not in any big hurry.  I am basically happy with My life.  Having a sub or slave would be wonderful, but I will not settle for just anyone for the sake of having a sub or a slave.  Also, I have quite a few sub friends that are very happy to oblige Me if I want to play casually or be served in some way.  They are not people I would consider for life partners, and some of them aren't even looking for a serious relationship.
  5. Some submissives are not willing to attend public lifestyle events.  That happens to be something very important to Me and has been a deal killer with more than one sub.
  6. I need a person who is presentable at business functions.  Someone I can introduce to business associates without embarassment.  Therefore, I need a clean-cut business type look.  I met one gentleman with hair longer than mine who has become a good friend, but wouldn't work in a business setting.
  7. Being full-figured, I realize that I don't appeal to everyone.  I have come across ads from submissive males that seemed like a good fit, then read something that made it clear they were not interested in My physical type, so I never contacted them.  I have also had submissive males who apparently can't read (as I am honest in My ad) contact Me, then lose interest when they found out that I don't have a Barbie-like figure.
  8. On a few occasions, I have had to suspend My search for months at a time due to working seven days a week, illness, test-driving a new relationship that ultimately did not succeed, etc.
  9. I have actually had a few aborted relationships that looked promising in the beginning, but only lasted a few months.  While I don't normally consider separated men, there was a male I met at a real-time event and saw for a while who assured Me he would be filing for divorce shortly.  Well, he never did, so he is history.  Another one started dating Me while he was on disability for an injured leg.  Once he recovered from that, I realized he was a workaholic and was actually out of town more than he was in town on top of that.  Didn't work for Me.
  10. Many submissives have a fantasy image of the lifestyle.  They expect Me to wear leather and be a sadistic bitch 100% of the time.  It just doesn't work that way.
  11. Many submissive males have very poor relationship skills.  For example, one I met at a local organization would corner Me whenever he saw Me and beg to be My 24/7 slave.  How about getting to know Me first?  Others make dates to have coffee, lunch, etc., then cancel out shortly before the meeting.  Another one that I was introduced to at a public function but didn't know at all took it upon himself send Me mail inviting himself over to My house to clean.  Like I am going to let a person I hardly know into My home?  All of these things make a very, very poor impression.
  12. Like Akasha mentioned, sometimes the sub and I just didn't click.  A few times I got a response from a promising submissive, W/we corresponded by e-mail, chatted on-line, and then talked on the phone.  I don't think it was a particularly physical thing, as I got photos of them before W/we met and they ranged from average to very good- looking.  However, in person, there just wasn't any chemistry.


Well, that's all I can think of, and it's not a short list.
 
Lady Topaz


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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 2:32:45 PM   
LadiesBladewing


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We keep our profile active, and have actually been very successful in finding quality servants. However, we welcome those who are looking to serve short-term, as well as those who are looking at working towards a long-term relationship, -and- we are willing to train newcomers in particular skill-sets, and are also a poly collective, so we are always open to finding new people who are a good fit for our situation.

If there is anything that might fill our household faster that we could do, we could probably get into the sex/kink end of things. We choose not to, though. I don't think it would make us "more successful" as a household -- it would just distract us from the things that -have- brought us success. Another thing we could do is to lower our standards and have lower expectations for ourselves and our servants. Again, we don't feel that this would be beneficial to anyone (and I personally feel that it would diminish the amazing work of the servants who have tried so hard and succeeded so well among us.)

Oh.. and we don't limit ourselves to accepting one gender or another, either. We welcome PEOPLE who desire to explore their submission fully -- male, female, or trans. It has enabled us to spend time and work with some truly amazing individuals, and both SR and I are truly grateful for the opportunities living this way has presented us with.

Zephyr WindDancer Bladewing



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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 2:34:30 PM   
DreamyLadySnow


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I can only speak for myself.
I have been on this, and other sites, for quite some time. I don't change my profile every time I find a boy. Nor do I remove it. That's nobody's business but his and mine.
That said, I believe there are reasons why it's difficult to find 'the one'.
1. In my city, rarely do sub males venture to munches or other events. Why? They're afraid to. If I can't meet them in a semi-normal setting, I have no choice but to go where they are - online.
2. Some people online lie. Yes, it's a shocker. Not everyone here is who they claim to be and it takes time and effort to weed through them.
3. I get a large volume of responses from Ontario and England. Guess what? My province has 3  million people. Toronto has more people than that, so it makes sense it has more boys. The smaller the center, the less likely you are to meet one that suits you both.
4. I don't mean to rag on sub males, I really don't, but I am worn out from boys thinking that Dommes live to fulfill their fantasies, even online. It is exhausting: Can I have a picture huh huh now please can I can I? Can I talk about my fantasy for the next hour even though you have no interest can I huh huh? Again it takes time to weed through and find some who actually know and understand that Dommes are women first.
5. I have an active social life, which includes kink activities such as munches. A boy who refuses to ever go out in public with me will not work out. Same with married guys as they can't give me what I need.
6. I take my time getting to know people. I've learned that I get so much more out of what I do if I know the person, their likes and dislikes, their triggers than I do out of complete strangers. They don't all have the patience to wait. Some do though.
7. Because of the fact that I go slowly, I've had boys stolen out from under my by other Dommes. Annoying, but it's life.
8. My life does not revolve around finding a boy. If it did, I might spend more hours in a day searching.

Lady Snow

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RE: Why Haven't You been Sucessful? - 6/17/2006 4:34:40 PM   
fergus


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Just to throw two cents in,

Honestly, I think a big factor is the paradigm factor.  Many male subs and/or Dommes are not looking for a person, but for an ideal of what they think they want.  The person can never line up with the picture in their mind, so you set up unrealistic expectations.

Another factor is that people tend NOT to lie to others, or willfully misrepresent themselves, but people often TAKE it that way!  Communication, especially on-line communication is often a VERY shakey thing to begin with.  On top of that, we often spend SO much time lieing to ourselves about who we are and what we THING we want (without even having a clue that we are doing it) that it makes the task at hand nigh impossible.

fergus

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