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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 11:37:34 AM   
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Im finding it hard to feel sorry to feel sorry for the wbc despite the illegality of the hacking...
in fact my give a fuck just laughed at them.
Anon?....im sure they are willing to suffer the consequence of their "horrendous " crime.

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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 11:42:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is nothing "right" about anonymous. The fact that such an organization could arise in the form of Robin Hood speaks volumes about what is wrong with our society. In this particular case I support WBC. Personally I think our laws on both privacy and free speech need some substantial overhaul. But within the laws as they are the WBC has the right to do what they do and I support and uphold that right.

That all being said, if I was in charge of whatever law enforcement agency got handed this one I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be floating to the top of my "must rush" list.

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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 11:51:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Petition to Legally recognize Westboro Baptist Church as a hate group.

We petition the obama administration to:
Legally recognize Westboro Baptist Church as a hate group.

This group has been recognized as a hate group by organizations, such as The Southern Poverty Law Center, and has repeatedly displayed the actions typical of hate groups.

Their actions have been directed at many groups, including homosexuals, military, Jewish people and even other Christians. They pose a threat to the welfare and treatment of others and will not improve without some form of imposed regulation.

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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 12:09:09 PM   
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There is nothing "right" about anonymous. The fact that such an organization could arise in the form of Robin Hood speaks volumes about what is wrong with our society. In this particular case I support WBC. Personally I think our laws on both privacy and free speech need some substantial overhaul. But within the laws as they are the WBC has the right to do what they do and I support and uphold that right.

That all being said, if I was in charge of whatever law enforcement agency got handed this one I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be floating to the top of my "must rush" list.



You just had to be a party pooper.

Okay, I admit the group has committed criminal acts in the past. For this act I would push for a presidential pardon and a government job.

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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 12:18:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

There is nothing "right" about anonymous. The fact that such an organization could arise in the form of Robin Hood speaks volumes about what is wrong with our society. In this particular case I support WBC. Personally I think our laws on both privacy and free speech need some substantial overhaul. But within the laws as they are the WBC has the right to do what they do and I support and uphold that right.

That all being said, if I was in charge of whatever law enforcement agency got handed this one I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be floating to the top of my "must rush" list.


Hi Jeff

So would you be ok with the KKK protesting black funerals, praising God for getting rid of another... ? How about Noe-Nazis at Jewish funerals? If you're significant other died, would you be ok with them protesting her funeral because she was a sexual deviant?

Funerals are private, they are NOT a place to hold a protest. There are times that free speech has to take a back seat to common decency and the right to bury your loved one in peace.

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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 1:06:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's two parts to this. The first is whether or not the hacking is legal. No, it's not legal and if WBC wants to see that there are criminal charges are pressed, they will probably have to file a complaint. That can lead to an investigation and they can determine if there is enough evidence to bring criminal charges.

The other is personal opinion. I'm not a bit disappointed that those sites aren't functioning. It's almost like the bully who went too far and somebody finally kicked his ass. When you ask if it was right that the bully got beat up, you still have to say no because it's a physical altercation. In the meantime, you're kind of happy that the bully finally got what he deserved.


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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 1:15:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		So far, the only limitations placed on protesting at funerals are at Military funerals.

No one here is happy about WBC.

No one likes the fact that they pulls this shit.

But, the question before you doesnt have to do with Westboro's actions.

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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 1:16:27 PM   
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The other is personal opinion. I'm not a bit disappointed that those sites aren't functioning. It's almost like the bully who went too far and somebody finally kicked his ass. When you ask if it was right that the bully got beat up, you still have to say no because it's a physical altercation. In the meantime, you're kind of happy that the bully finally got what he deserved.


The bully of my bully is my friend?

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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 2:52:56 PM   
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WBC is getting this attention... and many seem to be happy about it.


There's lots of things I'm happy about, without condoning those things.

World of difference between saying "this makes me smile" and saying "this is ethically sound".

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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 2:55:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

There is nothing "right" about anonymous.


Amen.

quote:

The fact that such an organization could arise in the form of Robin Hood speaks volumes about what is wrong with our society.


By "form", I take it you mean "guise".

quote:

That all being said, if I was in charge of whatever law enforcement agency got handed this one I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be floating to the top of my "must rush" list.


It wouldn't float to the bottom, either, though.

While maintaining a functional society is a high priority for law enforcement, upholding principles where nobody else will also should be.

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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 2:59:58 PM   
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So would you be ok with the KKK protesting black funerals, praising God for getting rid of another... ? How about Noe-Nazis at Jewish funerals? If you're significant other died, would you be ok with them protesting her funeral because she was a sexual deviant?


What has one got to do with another?

Just because the WBC got what they deserved doesn't necessarily mean it got given to them in a way that makes the act right.

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Funerals are private, they are NOT a place to hold a protest. There are times that free speech has to take a back seat to common decency and the right to bury your loved one in peace.


So close, yet so far. Free speech itself should not take a back seat to decency. But there should be the option not to have that speech shoved down your throat. That's where the problem with picketing funerals is: they're disturbing the actual proceedings in a manner that is intrusive, rather than just putting their ideas out there. They should be allowed to put their ideas out there, but I don't think they should be allowed to intrude in order to do so. That's got nothing to do with common decency, which, while I agree it to be important, is a thing I don't think we should legislate.

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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 3:01:06 PM   
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"this is ethically sound".

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Which is what I asked.

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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 3:01:27 PM   
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The bully of my bully is my friend?


For a time. Occasionally. Though I think the word "ally" is infinitely more appropriate than "friend".

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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 3:02:35 PM   
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Which is what I asked.


And I answered that they "should've dropped it" and "shouldn't have done it".

Excuse me for grinning at the same time.

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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 3:04:48 PM   
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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 4:21:41 PM   
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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 5:04:46 PM   
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lol.... as if you need that from me


I don't need it. Doesn't mean I don't appreciate it.

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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 5:06:26 PM   
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Im so not a supporter of Westboro.

I just cant help but wonder, after reading this, does it make it ok because so many agree with what Anonymous has done?

For any future posts on this thread....

I am not talking about Anonymous releasing any information.. Im sure much of its available through public records.

But, if we are truly in favor of free speech, can we truly support the actions of Anonymous?


No we cant, because who voted anonymous as judge and jury.

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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/17/2012 7:43:58 PM   
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Yes, our favorite bone of contention is also making the most of this tragedy.

Hackers target Westboro Baptist Church after Newtown threat

After church leaders announce plans to protest at site of school massacre, Anonymous posts the personal information for dozens of members of the extremist group, including names, e-mail addresses, and phone numbers.

That is so not their normal way of sending out a message.

And the site is down.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/?COLLCC=1631557021&

So... we all know Westboro is full of assholes. But they are exercising their freedoms.

Is Anonymous in right here? Is it ok to silence a group because we dont like what they have to say?

If they use legal means to silence them it's all good. As much as I hate what they stand for I can't be for freedom of speech only if I agree with the message. Maybe more people will realize how sick they are if their message actually gets out.

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RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends... - 12/18/2012 4:39:52 AM   
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Here is the message from Anonymous. One of the comments from viewers posts the link from Anonymous, with the personal info for the Westboro Church....looks like most of them are from the same family.


When Fred Phelps took over the Westboro Church most of the parishioners ended up leaving. My understanding is that the church consists of the Phelps family and a couple of others families that are married into it and that they live in a fenced in compound. That level of indoctrination really only works well in a vacuum with a captive audience.






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