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slvemike4u -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 6:31:06 PM)
Can someone please point out to me what any of this has to do with the suggestion that we place armed 'Volunteers" in our schools ?

Notsweet -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 6:37:10 PM)
Well, Mike, we're never going to be able to afford the weaponry that the government currently has. Thanks for pointing out my mistake here, which is that I neglected to say that I believe that was the intent of the Founders who wrote the Second Amendment. That being said, no, we don't have warships and bombs, but (assuming that you know the difference between automatic, semi-automatic, single action, double action) the point is that we are supposed to be able to defend ourselves from the government. That was the entire point I was making in that sentence. Please don't get personal. edited for typo

Notsweet -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 6:46:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: The bigger problem goes way beyond this one shooting. Shootings that are no less troubling are a regular occurance in some areas of our country, committed by people who should never have gotten their hands on a gun, but did, thanks to a thriving black market in firepower. The obvious solution to the wider problem of guns in the wrong hands, and its consequences, is to make illegal possession and/or sale a major law enforcement target. That would requires resources, however, and our government seems to feel that it is more important to stop people from getting high than to stop them from killing each other. This has nothing to do with a black market This has nothing to do with gang bangers This has to do with a mentally ill person getting his hands on guns legally obtained and owned by someone he knows, and allows him access too. I wish there was a "like" button. Tazzygirl, you are absolutely right. When are we going to start looking at the state of mental health care here??

slvemike4u -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 6:48:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Notsweet Well, Mike, we're never going to be able to afford the weaponry that the gvernment courrently has. Thanks for pointing out my mistake here, which is that I neglected to say that I believe that was the intent of the Founders who wrote the Second Amendment. That being said, no, we don't have warships and bombs, but (assuming that you know the difference between automatic, semi-automatic, single action, double action) the point is that we are supposed to be able to defend ourselves from the government. That was the entire point I was making in that sentence. Please don't get personal. I'm not getting personal,how can I...I don't even know you. What I am getting is a little sick and tired of people citing that bullshit stance. Did you know that at the time that was written,at the time the words "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a Free State " were written the idea of a standing army was anathema to the Founders ? Do you understand what that means? No U.S Army,therefore a "well regulated militia" was absolutely necessary. Now,at that time had some tyrannical party taken control of the federal government that "well regulated militia" could have ensured the rights of American citizens.....that is no longer true. Your freedom,my freedom ,all of our freedoms ultimately lay in the hope that should some future administration or future political party try to grab tyrannical power the United States military would not fire on US citizens. Failing that,should the military side with the tyrant....you,I...all of us are toast. Not personal notsweet...strictly business....lol

Notsweet -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 6:48:45 PM)
You know...the idea of gun-totin' volunteers does not apeal to me, but cops do, as well as people who can prove that they have been thoroughly trained and schooled in gun ownership and marksmanship. A lot of teachers are military veterans in the places I taught.

slvemike4u -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 6:51:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Notsweet quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: The bigger problem goes way beyond this one shooting. Shootings that are no less troubling are a regular occurance in some areas of our country, committed by people who should never have gotten their hands on a gun, but did, thanks to a thriving black market in firepower. The obvious solution to the wider problem of guns in the wrong hands, and its consequences, is to make illegal possession and/or sale a major law enforcement target. That would requires resources, however, and our government seems to feel that it is more important to stop people from getting high than to stop them from killing each other. This has nothing to do with a black market This has nothing to do with gang bangers This has to do with a mentally ill person getting his hands on guns legally obtained and owned by someone he knows, and allows him access too. I wish there was a "like" button. Tazzygirl, you are absolutely right. When are we going to start looking at the state of mental health care here?? Again I am not being personal,but you claim to like tazzy....well Tazz and I happen to see eye to eye on some reasonable tweaking to current regulation vis a vis guns I also agree with her about the lack of shortcomings we have where mental health services are concerned. So by extension....you sort of like me too....right [:)]

Notsweet -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 6:53:30 PM)
I see. I said personal, because your reply to me has the distinct sound of someone sneering in my face. OTOH, it's sometimes hard to tell if that is someone's intent. If not, I'm sorry for misconstruing your intent. I'm afraid we are going to have to agree to disagree on the intent of the Founders. To me, it says that we the people have the right to bear arms in case we need to form a militia. Which we would have to do if there was a political power that decided to make a coup. Although it may be true that it's been used by hysterics, well....it's true that bad people with bad intent take over governments.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 6:54:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Notsweet I think we're supposed to have the same weapons available to us as the government has, in case the government turns against us. I'm not a Democrat, but I'll put it in these terms. Suppose Bush turned out to be the evil dictator some thought him to be? Suppose he started "rounding up" gay people, people on welfare, people who voted for John Kerry. How would you fight back? If the next guy turns out to be Hitler, Pol Pot.....how are you going to fight back? It happens. Another thought. Every single government building has cops at the door. The cops have guns. All the government buildings except.....schools. They have a big sign that says "There are no guns here. We have no one who can shoot back." Why is it important to guard the mayor's ass, but not the asses of 600 kids? Honestly...how often do you hear about a trained law enforcement officer getting his gun taken from him? Not often. We need to stop fighting about guns and start figuring out what in the hell we're going to do for the mentally ill. I do think you have something here Notsweet....rounding up anyone that voted for John Kerry seems eminently logical to me.

Notsweet -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 6:57:26 PM)
Mike, I liked what she said. Also, Tazzy hasn't responded to me with the same sort of tone. Hasn't responded at all, lol, but you get my point. I just don't think we can really get to the bottom of our problems if we come at each other as adversaries, that's all.

slvemike4u -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 6:57:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Notsweet I see. I said personal, because your reply to me has the distinct sound of someone sneering in my face. OTOH, it's sometimes hard to tell if that is someone's intent. If not, I'm sorry for misconstruing your intent. I'm afraid we are going to have to agree to disagree on the intent of the Founders. To me, it says that we the people have the right to bear arms in case we need to form a militia. Which we would have to do if there was a political power that decided to make a coup. Although it may be true that it's been used by hysterics, well....it's true that bad people with bad intent take over governments. Sorry,but you are missing my point entirely...I agree with you as to original intent,entirely. But what I am saying to you is that events,and history has made that intent moot. When written there was no standing US army,the very idea of one smacked of tyranny to the Founders. Things are a mite different now,no?

Notsweet -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 6:58:33 PM)
<snicker>

lovmuffin -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 6:58:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead If we are getting the NRA excuses about why people need assault rifles, perhaps somebody could answer me this one: whatever for? My understanding was that if you're hunting you need a shotgun or a bolt action rifle, and if you want a gun to keep in the house or the car (or on your person in a concealed carry state) for self defence, then a pistol is going to be good enough. Why exactly do you need a submachine gun (let alone an assault rifle) unless you're planning a bank job or a spree killing? Maybe you need one to ward off looters after a major natural disaster like a hurricane. Maybe if you're caught up in a riot. Those businesses that were not burned out out after the Rodney King fiasco had guys with mean lookin military style semi auto rifles and such. Their buildings were left standing among burned out neighborhoodsds. Just to name a couple of reasons.

Notsweet -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 6:59:42 PM)
In reply to SlvMike: I understand your point. I disagree.

Owner59 -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 7:01:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Notsweet When are we going to start looking at the state of mental health care here?? When I read what you said about the Founders....... intending that citizens would waring with the US government...... that they just established .....I thought the same thing........

Notsweet -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 7:04:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: Notsweet When are we going to start looking at the state of mental health care here?? When I read what you said about the Founders....... intending that citizens would waring with the US government...... that they just established .....I thought the same thing........ I really was hoping that this was a conversation, and not a place for people to show off their snark skills. You're good though. Think there's a typo in your message though, so I'm not entirely sure what you're saying about what I said.

slvemike4u -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 7:04:28 PM)
Okie dokie...but again,I don't know you,I try,at least I think I do,to reserve snark and contempt for those who I have come to dislike. Give it time,who knows I might get to dislike you yet

Notsweet -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 7:11:13 PM)
Ok. I detect that I've stepped into a conversation that belonged to a specific group of friends. Since the conversation has veered from the OP, and the last few entries I've made were asking people to speak to me without being snarky or personal, it's obvious that I shouldn't be here. I try every once in awhile to join a conversation here, but it does seem that there are people who regularly talk to others with just a tone of "See how snarky I am? Look at me smack the stranger, isn't it funny??" It's a shame, because it keeps people from coming together and creating solutions. Good night :)

lovmuffin -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 7:23:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin Actually I sort of can. The AR type rifle at the top I can't be sure because I can't see if there is a safety/selector switch on the other side. You can see the "safe" and "fire" markings on the right side of the receiver. The rifle pictured is not an assault rifle. BTW, it's Ruger, not Rugar. Bill Ruger may have been a dick, but he deserves to have his name spelled correctly ;) Yes he does and it was my mistake. I'm hen pecking this stuff out using my phone and I don't know if I did that or my phone did it as it changes words on me at times. I don't know how I missed seeing that. Duh And again, duh........if I would have thought to blow up the image and not gone off half cocked I should have seen that too but instead of telliing me what a fuck up i was on that post I was really hoping some one could tell me what that thing is halfway up the barrel of the Ruger.

slvemike4u -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 7:41:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Notsweet In reply to SlvMike: I understand your point. I disagree. I was just going to let all of this go,but as I was walking my dog(I went unarmed,but fortunately the dog,and I,made it home unmolested)and it occurred to me that patronizing you would be just as rude as slamming you with snark. The "resisting a tyrannical government" reasoning is specious at best,intellectually dishonest at worst. To stand behind the "well regulated militia"portion of the Second than you will have to tell me what unot you belong to,how often you meet to train,to discuss tactics and such. Absent such a relationship with a resistance group you are nothing more than an armed citizen...which is still legal under the Second.....but you can not claim to be armed in order to resist tyranny. That's just a bridge too far for me.

slvemike4u -> RE: Armed "volunteers" in our schools (12/17/2012 7:46:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Notsweet Ok. I detect that I've stepped into a conversation that belonged to a specific group of friends. Since the conversation has veered from the OP, and the last few entries I've made were asking people to speak to me without being snarky or personal, it's obvious that I shouldn't be here. I try every once in awhile to join a conversation here, but it does seem that there are people who regularly talk to others with just a tone of "See how snarky I am? Look at me smack the stranger, isn't it funny??" It's a shame, because it keeps people from coming together and creating solutions. Good night :) All of your replies are to me,and they all seem to be complaining about this great amount of snark you have received,again from me [8\|] Now I've tried to be nice,I really have,seeing you are new here and all,but I have to tell you.....you have not been the victim of snark,you made a ridiculous statement and I pointed it out,I used humor in doing so...You saw it as snark [8\|] So be it,but seriously,if you have any intention of hanging out around here you are going to have to put on the big girl panties...cause you ain't seen nothing yet.

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