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adx -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 7:28:58 PM)

I have very little give with my rights.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 7:31:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: adx

If it stops any law abiding citizen from purchasing or possessing a gun when they desire its the same to me. In most circumstances at least.


LOL

In most circumstances.... gotta love that.

Let me ask you.... is there ANY gun you CANNOT purchase now?



I love how you just ignore it when your preconcieved notion is unfounded.




tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 7:32:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: adx

I have very little give with my rights.


And the right to live?




SimplyMichael -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 7:38:03 PM)

Your freedom was bought by who valued principle more than life itself.




adx -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 7:41:09 PM)

my guns have never interfered with anothers right to live. only criminals can have there rights taken away.




tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 7:46:18 PM)

Yet they have taken away your right to buy any gun you want, by your own admission.

Does that mean you are a criminal?




adx -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 8:22:03 PM)

im not sure I understand your logic. they have taken my right. how am I made a criminal? not all criminals should be disarmed. the only criminal here is the government who passed such laws.




tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 8:25:40 PM)

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only criminals can have there rights taken away.


You said that.

Then you admitted there are guns you cant have.

By that logic, you are a criminal.

Which I dont believe, but that is the conclusion to your posts.

My point is this..... you dont want to lose your rights to possess firearms.... then I suggest people who own guns start being more responsible about who can get access to them.

I would have no problem agreeing to a law that says you can possess whatever weapon you desire... any kind.... but the moment its used to kill.... you will be held responsible.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 8:28:21 PM)

California has gun laws so convoluted, two identical guns, one is onlylegal with a bayonet the other illegal without it.

Its so confusing not even dept of justice can tell you whether certain things are legal or not.

Same goes with federal law on things like pistols with stocks, some repos are legal, some arent. I coilf go on bit its pointless




SimplyMichael -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 8:29:32 PM)

Tazzy, hes a kid. You are playing cheap semantic tricks. Grow up.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 8:30:51 PM)

Next you guys will be upset that most civilian assault rifles have mounted grenade laumchers




adx -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 8:43:06 PM)

Interesting the assertion is validish but I am afraid not true. Only convicted criminal can legally have there right removed. so our right being removed was not done legally.
I dident think I would have to explain so much to have everyone understand. ill be sure to help you alone by providing lots of detail next time.




adx -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 8:44:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Next you guys will be upset that most civilian assault rifles have mounted grenade laumchers

I own a grenade launcher. do you know they can be rigged to shoot potato?




tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 8:55:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: adx

Interesting the assertion is validish but I am afraid not true. Only convicted criminal can legally have there right removed. so our right being removed was not done legally.
I dident think I would have to explain so much to have everyone understand. ill be sure to help you alone by providing lots of detail next time.


As much as you want to rail against it, it is the legislatures right to determine how you can keep your arms and limit what arms you can actually hold in your possession.

The Supreme Court held:[43]

(2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller#Decision

So, while you rail against your "rights" being taken away, the SC has declared that your 2nd Amemdment rights are not unlimited.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 8:57:41 PM)

22mm ones wont work for potatoes so british cup type?




adx -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 9:01:29 PM)

I am well aware of what they have said dosent mean I hold it to be true ass soon as a more enlightened body is elected the law will be as it should. I still just do what ever I want. lets say i dident sign my social contract and am still negotiating.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 9:01:54 PM)

Tazzy, again go google so you can discover what sort of weapn the.miller case refered to. If the idiot had had a decent lawyer and a machinegun, it would have been a very different take.

Since i dont have to google all this since i actually know the subject, let say it was a "regulated" firearm, used in the same context of the word in thr 2nd which doesnt mean "regulated by law"...




adx -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 9:02:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

22mm ones wont work for potatoes so british cup type?

Yugoslavian. hell just load a blank shotgun round anything you cram on the barrel will fly pretty well... potato will just disintegrate however.




SimplyMichael -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 9:05:04 PM)

Yeah, thats a spigot launcher on an sks. It wont launch potatoes....it blows them up.




tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans will support gun control this time (12/18/2012 9:05:33 PM)

1... no shit. I know damn well what gun was in that case. Why the fuck do you feel the need... the unmitigated gall... to treat people like fucking morons, I have no clue...

2.. Now, this will be the very last time I address you. I have had my fill of your bullshit on these threads and I have lost all respect for you.

Do have a great life.




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