tazzygirl
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It's "quite easy to see" that women's freedoms are more important to men than men's freedoms are to women
You will have to expand upon that.
As far as my own position, I will gladly expand.
Abortions only affect a woman's body... yet it is an overwhelmingly amount of men desiring to limit a woman what she can do with her body. To be sure, there are some women wanting it limited.. and some men wanting women to have that choice.
But, at the end of the day, it affects a woman and her health.
As far as gun control, this is a "man's" area, despite all the women who hunt and take up a gun as a competitive sport.
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I'm also sure you're willing to be give some ground when it comes to your bodily freedom. I believe you called it a "right", but now it may be clearer why I prefer to dispense with that notion, which comes down to what is accorded, rather than what is inherent and "inalienable" as the wording went before people had reflected enough on consent. Can we agree that your bodily freedom is more than just something that a nation state decided to accord you, like some sort of tax break?
I do give concessions. I am a strong support of the viability clause. Abortions on demand after that time will never be supported by me.
As far as it being something "accorded" to me, me as in women, I agree that it is nothing more than something a state accorded to women, something that can be easily taken away if not watched closely. Already we have seen the attempts, the successes and the failures of many trying, and some succeeding, at just that endeavor.
But, while many women support the right to gun ownership, with a few restrictions, there are many men who insist the at the abortion issue should be entitled to nothing but permanent banishment, regardless of the concessions already given.
To put it in simple terms.
Abortions are on demand until the age of viability, provided she can afford one, then the state has a say and denies that abortion unless its a life threatening situation.
Guns and accessories are available to those who are legally allowed to buy one.. but dont dare say which ones they can or cannot own, because that is their "right" per the 2nd to own whatever gun they desire, without restrictions.
The gun control issue is now dividing the nation in more ways than one.
"I'm a card-carrying member of the NRA," writes Dee, a self-described "proud grandma." "I'm from West Virginia. I'm a proud hunter and a firm believer in the Second Amendment. And I firmly believe that the NRA must act to help make sure this madness ends. No one needs an assault weapon for hunting. Period."
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A recent HuffPost/YouGov poll conducted before the Newtown, Conn., massacre shows that 60 percent of women support stricter gun control laws, compared to 41 percent of men.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/women-gun-control_n_2318156.html
You keep citing a figure of 3000 abortions a year. Sure sounds like a lot.. until you realize the following....
There were roughly 1.2 million abortions performed in 2008, and the abortion rate was 20 per 1,000 women aged 15–44.[31] Put differently, about 2% of American women aged 15–44 had an abortion that year.
Yet, when we discuss firearms, everyone cites the number of fatalities, neglecting the number injured. Would it surprise you that injuries account for 200,000?
In the U.S. for 2010, there were 31,513 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 19,308; Homicide 11,015; Accident 600.
The number of non-fatal injuries is considerable--over 200,000 per year in the U.S. Many of these injuries require hospitalization and trauma care.
http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html
So, yes, I take great exception at the comparing of the two.
< Message edited by tazzygirl -- 12/19/2012 4:23:00 PM >
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