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lovmuffin -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/25/2012 12:25:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Raptor, yes but there is a difference between history and living in the past. Modern weapons need to be looked at differently due to the damage they do. Lovmuffin......Thank you, I have never suggested a complete ban though, just a ban on assault type rifles. The problem with that Politesub is they are simply common semiautomatic rifles of which the technology has been around for over 100 years. So pretty much that would be an entire class of firearms. At least you said "assault type".

Raptorsc -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/25/2012 12:32:57 PM)
I can agree to the increase in destructive capabilities of modern firearms over what was around back in those days. but as a rabid gun owner myself I still feel the tool is not to be blamed for the occurance. Responsibility still needs to fall on the failings of the individual and their support structure. I think gun owners need to elevate their level of responsbilities. I also think more mandatory training needs to be had before a person can be licenced for gun ownership. I see no issues haveing backround checks run and either participating in mandatory firearm training classes on some type of yearly basis. It's not the "bushmaster" rife that killed all those poor children, its the failure of the mother who left the firearms in a place where her mentaly distrought child had access. If i remember correctly the child had a history of mental issues. a responsible mother properly trained "should" have had her firearms locked away like the rest of us responsible gun owners do with our children unable to have access. However, Living in Gary, indiana like i do, I can probably walk onto any highschool property in my immediate area and walk out of their with a illegal firearm. In most urban environments guns are pritty easy to come by.

slvemike4u -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/25/2012 1:14:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raptorsc I can agree to the increase in destructive capabilities of modern firearms over what was around back in those days. but as a rabid gun owner myself I still feel the tool is not to be blamed for the occurance. Responsibility still needs to fall on the failings of the individual and their support structure. I think gun owners need to elevate their level of responsbilities. I also think more mandatory training needs to be had before a person can be licenced for gun ownership. I see no issues haveing backround checks run and either participating in mandatory firearm training classes on some type of yearly basis. It's not the "bushmaster" rife that killed all those poor children, its the failure of the mother who left the firearms in a place where her mentaly distrought child had access. If i remember correctly the child had a history of mental issues. a responsible mother properly trained "should" have had her firearms locked away like the rest of us responsible gun owners do with our children unable to have access. However, Living in Gary, indiana like i do, I can probably walk onto any highschool property in my immediate area and walk out of their with a illegal firearm. In most urban environments guns are pritty easy to come by. Was the use of "rabid gun owner " a Freudian slip. I'm not disputing the use of it...i'm just wondering.

VideoAdminChi -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/25/2012 3:17:09 PM)
Calling poise for some tatas... quote: Come on, Chi - show the lads your tits for Christmas. Ding-dong!

kdsub -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/25/2012 3:34:26 PM)
quote: blinks I suppose you think Canadians are just like Americans too? Have you actually spent any time abroad... not travelling or visiting but actually living there? Behind a rifle yes

kdsub -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/25/2012 3:36:46 PM)
quote: Insular does not match the facts but that did not stop you from saying it. On any number of different measures, yes it does. In fact your post is seeming like a perfect example of it. Moon some people that like to give out jabs just can't take it...what pussies..not you of course...[:D] When faced with the same insulting hyperbole they get mad...how typical of verbal bullies...I just don't put up with them Butch

jlf1961 -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/25/2012 4:38:10 PM)
ban the import or manufacture of assault weapons but legalize land mines

jlf1961 -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/25/2012 5:08:22 PM)
Anyone who thinks it is a good idea to arm teachers and principals has never attended a faculty meeting. Roger Kaufman, McLean

BamaD -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/25/2012 5:08:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: blinks I suppose you think Canadians are just like Americans too? Have you actually spent any time abroad... not travelling or visiting but actually living there? Behind a rifle yes the other side of that question is as valid how many non-Americans have actually lived here, I ask only to help evaluate their sugesstions

jlf1961 -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/25/2012 7:42:38 PM)
One more thing, if the there is a ban on assault weapons they better ban my sister's corn bread, which is more dangerous than any gun

Hillwilliam -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/25/2012 7:44:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 One more thing, if the there is a ban on assault weapons they better ban my sister's corn bread, which is more dangerous than any gun Holly's meat loaf too.

tazzygirl -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/25/2012 7:53:05 PM)
quote: I think gun owners need to elevate their level of responsbilities. I also think more mandatory training needs to be had before a person can be licenced for gun ownership. I see no issues haveing backround checks run and either participating in mandatory firearm training classes on some type of yearly basis. It's not the "bushmaster" rife that killed all those poor children, its the failure of the mother who left the firearms in a place where her mentaly distrought child had access. If i remember correctly the child had a history of mental issues. a responsible mother properly trained "should" have had her firearms locked away like the rest of us responsible gun owners do with our children unable to have access. Nice to see someone is finally getting it.

lovmuffin -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/25/2012 8:19:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: I think gun owners need to elevate their level of responsbilities. I also think more mandatory training needs to be had before a person can be licenced for gun ownership. I see no issues haveing backround checks run and either participating in mandatory firearm training classes on some type of yearly basis. It's not the "bushmaster" rife that killed all those poor children, its the failure of the mother who left the firearms in a place where her mentaly distrought child had access. If i remember correctly the child had a history of mental issues. a responsible mother properly trained "should" have had her firearms locked away like the rest of us responsible gun owners do with our children unable to have access. Nice to see someone is finally getting it. No doubt the mom should have done more to secure her weapons but I don't think he quite gets it. He's never heard of Charles Schummer.

JeffBC -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/25/2012 8:21:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Behind a rifle yes In other words, "No." That sounds about right. quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD the other side of that question is as valid how many non-Americans have actually lived here, I ask only to help evaluate their sugesstions I completely agree. While I value a diversity of viewpoints it's important to understand what door those viewpoints are coming out of. Them not having lived here doesn't invalidate their opinion in my head. But it does mean I need to be careful about applying any insights I get from their answer to a problem they only partially understand. The bottom line goes something like this. If you are trying to debate then what you want to do is shut down alternate viewpoints so you can "win". If you are trying to understand then you want to encourage and listen to other viewpoints so that you can grow and learn. I personally prefer to do my debating after my understanding.

kdsub -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/25/2012 8:31:04 PM)
quote: The bottom line goes something like this. If you are trying to debate then what you want to do is shut down alternate viewpoints so you can "win". I don't discuss issues to win...I just state my point of view and know when to let it go...Lets see if you do. Butch

Politesub53 -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/26/2012 3:10:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: blinks I suppose you think Canadians are just like Americans too? Have you actually spent any time abroad... not travelling or visiting but actually living there? Behind a rifle yes the other side of that question is as valid how many non-Americans have actually lived here, I ask only to help evaluate their sugesstions Laughable considering American input on the Middle East. Are you seriously suggesting people cant hold a viewpoint if they havent lived someplace ? If so, that would preclude almost all of us writing about anything.

DomYngBlk -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/26/2012 6:29:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi Calling poise for some tatas... quote: Come on, Chi - show the lads your tits for Christmas. Ding-dong! Yes please......its still the Christmas season

SimplyMichael -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/26/2012 6:40:39 AM)
Modern reporting sucks.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/26/2012 7:43:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD the other side of that question is as valid how many non-Americans have actually lived here, I ask only to help evaluate their sugesstions Well I have actually "lived" over the pond. 8 months isn't long by any standards but certainly better than a 2-week vacation to Disneyland! I do have some personal friends in the US who, unlike those on here, are polarised by the gun debate. Some say to abolish them completely, others would prefer to have their right arm removed rather than even think about having their toys restricted in any way. And as for raptor's silly argument about "There has been to my recollection, no hostile forces on american soil (terrorist cells notwithstanding)..."; it has to be pointed out that the whole of "American" history is barely just over 2 centuries old - which for most of the rest of the world is pretty damned recent. And perhaps you have forgotten some part of your history?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Aleutian_Islands So that makes it "...no hostile forces on american soil since August 1942...".

JstAnotherSub -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/26/2012 7:46:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Modern reporting sucks. So, how does crow taste?

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