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TheHeretic -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 9:41:15 PM)
Trying again, with the same pic from Google [image]local://upfiles/409734/891C6A0335404073909BC28F2F97E3B5.jpg[/image]

blacksword404 -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 9:42:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic FR On gun safes, I tried snagging a picture off Facebook to share here, but there must be a loose nut behind the keyboard or something, because it won't upload. It was one of those, "redneck solutions," things, and showed an upright freezer with the shelves removed, being used as a gun locker. Done properly, I think it would be very effective. I don't know how hard it would be to pry the door off. Might just work tho. Your weak point is the door handle. Take it off, bolt on a nice hardened steel one. Take a thick chain, the type used to chain down heavy equipment and chain the door shut. Use a nice fat enforcer lock.

Hillwilliam -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 9:44:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Racist MY FUCKING ASS. The comment had to do with religious practices. That particular religion has adherents of every known ethnic and racial group on the planet. And my religious practice is also well known on these boards. But, you used that to once again try to shut me up. Its not going to work. How does it feel to be accused of something you didnt do? What did I accuse you of besides not knowing the difference between a race and a religion? As for your statement of "How does it feel to be accused of something you didnt do?" Well, you did call me racist didnt you? Here's my point. You either blame victims for all crimes perpetrated against them or you blame them for none of the crimes perpetrated against them. If a house is unlocked and money and jewelry is all over the place, do you blame the homeowner if he gets burglarized or the scumbag who steals? If a woman is sunbathing nude, does some jerk have an excuse to force her into sex? If a car is unlocked, is it the owner's fault if someone steals it? Who is at fault, Is it the victim or the criminal? You cant pick and choose and say "This crime and this one are the fault of the victim because he didn't take precautions but ALL the others are the fault of the criminal". Start talk like that and women won't be allowed out of the house without a male relative present and full body covering. You cant have it both ways.

TheHeretic -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 9:46:18 PM)
Oh God. About 10 years ago, I was living in a shared house with some druggie loser roomates, and had to chain my refrigerator shut, to keep them from helping themselves to my food. It's not a nice looking solution.

Hillwilliam -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 9:47:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl And my religious practice is also well known on these boards. But, you used that to once again try to shut me up. Its not going to work. That is a fucking LIE. I have no idea what your religion is, much less using it to try to shut you up.

Hillwilliam -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 9:49:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Trying again, with the same pic from Google [image]local://upfiles/409734/891C6A0335404073909BC28F2F97E3B5.jpg[/image] An ax would have it open in seconds but I think it would work even in the event of a breakin. Noone thinks to look in the freezer for stuff. If they're not looking at it, they won't try to get inside it.

JeffBC -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 9:53:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam You either blame victims for all crimes perpetrated against them or you blame them for none of the crimes perpetrated against them. But she does have a point Hill. In the scenario presented we aren't blaming the gun owner for the crime the gun thieves committed. This is a conversation about the safe handling of some possession. And honestly, it's not like there aren't gajillions of rules about that sort of thing. I see nothing wrong with saying to someone, "You may do activity X but you must take reasonable precautions to ensure that your activity doesn't harm others." I think the question here is around the word "reasonable". But your argument that it's blaming the victim doesn't hold water.

tazzygirl -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 9:55:37 PM)
quote: Odds are that things taken in a home robbery will be sold or pawned to get drug money, or traded for drugs. If so, then the owner of those items that were stolen has just aided in the criminal getting drugs, and so should be held accountable for not having their household items secured in such a fashion that they could not be used for criminal activity. A crime is a crime whether anyone gets injured or not. Odds are, but it cant be traced. Most items that are stolen, reported, then pawned are quickly recovered. If its a private sale, then the insurance pays off and the criminal is off the hook. But, without proof that the item stolen was actually used in the commission of a crime, someone cant be held responsible. quote: Yes, lock the fucking shit up so addicts cant get drugs and half the drug problems will be solved. I agree! quote: Yes...PERSONAL responsibility...that means the person RESPONSIBLE for the crime is to blame, NOT the victem of the initial crime of theft. Put the blame and responsibility where it belongs...WITH THE CRIMINAL...not another victem. I firmly believe in gun owner accountability and responsibility. It goes both ways. Negligence doesnt absolve people of crimes. And, while many of you think my ideas are way off mark, they are becoming prominent in the news.

TheHeretic -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 9:55:52 PM)
I'd go with a crowbar, rather than an ax, but as I say, it would be tougher to get into my freezer, than into the gun safe I have. Of course, there isn't anything in there anyway. I secure my weapons differently. Very easy access, if you know right where to reach, but not places a burglar would be likely to reach into to begin with.

Hillwilliam -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 9:56:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam You either blame victims for all crimes perpetrated against them or you blame them for none of the crimes perpetrated against them. But she does have a point Hill. In the scenario presented we aren't blaming the gun owner for the crime the gun thieves committed. This is a conversation about the safe handling of some possession. And honestly, it's not like there aren't gajillions of rules about that sort of thing. I see nothing wrong with saying to someone, "You may do activity X but you must take reasonable precautions to ensure that your activity doesn't harm others." I think the question here is around the word "reasonable". But your argument that it's blaming the victim doesn't hold water. Here's the claim. if someone breaks into my house and steals one of my posessions and commits a crime with it, it's my fault. What's your take on it?

tj444 -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 10:07:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam An ax would have it open in seconds but I think it would work even in the event of a breakin. Noone thinks to look in the freezer for stuff. If they're not looking at it, they won't try to get inside it. jmo but if something has a lock on it (& maybe a chain around it), I would think there is something in there for you want to keep people from opening it.. the lock (to me) draws attention to it.. I sorta like hidden rooms or a bookcase hiding a closet behind it.. jmo of course..

Kirata -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 10:09:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Yanno? Like let's not even fucking go there, what he did do was bad enough. The assumption that without a gun he would have done less damage came out of somebody's ass. There is no reason to assume that. Another assumption is that he would have killed if he didnt have a gun. Can you prove that without a doubt? No. You are going on your own assumptions the same as I am. You assume I'm assuming something. I do not see how declining to accept the facile assumption that except for guns he would have done less damage becomes "going on" the assumption that he would have done worse. Actually, I figure he would do about the same. We know the amount of damage he wanted to cause, and that wouldn't be any different in the absence of guns. He would just have to shop for other means. K.

tazzygirl -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 10:09:34 PM)
quote: Here's the claim. if someone breaks into my house and steals one of my posessions and commits a crime with it, it's my fault. What's your take on it? Thats not the claim

tazzygirl -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 10:11:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Yanno? Like let's not even fucking go there, what he did do was bad enough. The assumption that without a gun he would have done less damage came out of somebody's ass. There is no reason to assume that. Another assumption is that he would have killed if he didnt have a gun. Can you prove that without a doubt? No. You are going on your own assumptions the same as I am. You assume I'm assuming something. I do not see how declining to accept the facile assumption that except for guns he would have done less damage becomes "going on" the assumption that he would have done worse. Actually, I figure he would do about the same. We know the amount of damage he wanted to cause, and that wouldn't be any different in the absence of guns. He would just have to shop for other means. K. And I could easily see someone deciding not to go through with it to begin with if the easy means are not available.

Hillwilliam -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 10:12:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Here's the claim. if someone breaks into my house and steals one of my posessions and commits a crime with it, it's my fault. What's your take on it? Thats not the claim So if someone breaks into my house and steals my property (a gun) and commits a crime with it, I'm off the hook? Is it A or B?

TheHeretic -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 10:17:12 PM)
Well, the logging chain approach would be a dead giveaway, I think, but the lock on my freezer is a perfectly ordinary one, built right in by the manufacturer. It wouldn't draw a second look, especially with my big toolbox a few feet away, and some of the power tools that are in plain sight on the shelf unit next to that.

tazzygirl -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 10:19:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Here's the claim. if someone breaks into my house and steals one of my posessions and commits a crime with it, it's my fault. What's your take on it? Thats not the claim So if someone breaks into my house and steals my property (a gun) and commits a crime with it, I'm off the hook? Is it A or B? My proposal was that all gun owners must have a safe. If you have a safe, I would hope to whatever power you believe in, that you use it. If you use it and they break into it and steal your guns, you are off the hook for any and all charges related to the improper storage of those guns. You would have followed the regulations.

Hillwilliam -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 10:24:16 PM)
So, if I don't have a safe and I'm a victim of a crime (breaking and entering) it's my fault if a gun gets stolen and a crime is later committed. If a framing hammer or knife gets stolen and someone is killed with it, it's the thief's fault. See how stupid that sounds? How about a chainsaw and hockey mask? where does that come in? Blame the crime victim. Seriously, how far is it from "you must lock up this class of posessions or you go to jail if you're a crime victim" to "You must dress this way or go to jail if you are a crime victim"? Break out the hijabs ladies.[8\|]

tj444 -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 10:27:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Well, the logging chain approach would be a dead giveaway, I think, but the lock on my freezer is a perfectly ordinary one, built right in by the manufacturer. It wouldn't draw a second look, especially with my big toolbox a few feet away, and some of the power tools that are in plain sight on the shelf unit next to that. true, if it was built in by the manufacturer when it was bought, then yes, it would look ordinary (I dont think many people even use those locks), but if it was an obvious addition later on, then that would arouse my curiousity, I expect I am not unique in that.. I mean.. yer power tools sittin' right there.. omg!.. ya could be hidding a chopped up dead body in that freezer or something!!!... [sm=hewah.gif]

Hillwilliam -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/21/2012 10:27:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Well, the logging chain approach would be a dead giveaway, I think, but the lock on my freezer is a perfectly ordinary one, built right in by the manufacturer. It wouldn't draw a second look, especially with my big toolbox a few feet away, and some of the power tools that are in plain sight on the shelf unit next to that. Lotsa freezers have a barrel type lock. A bunch of old power tools to distract them and load them down is a good idea.

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