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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/19/2006 11:00:23 AM   
HisTicia


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Status: offline 		I think I am very submissive to my Sir..but to everyone else.. I am probably seen as bull-headed... stubborn and very outspoken.  I am not a doormat..I have refrained from that after being that way for so many years..and swore I would never go back to it.  I think that to each Dom his own... some like a key-turn subs..some a brat..others outspoken and full of ideas and opinions (like mine, thankfully). 
 
I don't think the degree of submission is in question..there are just lots of varieties on both sides...kind of like a buffet.. if you don't like what is in once dish..keep moving on..and you are sure to find something to your taste.

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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/19/2006 12:57:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HisTicia
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I don't think the degree of submission is in question..there are just lots of varieties on both sides...kind of like a buffet.. if you don't like what is in once dish..keep moving on..and you are sure to find something to your taste.


Ticia, you put the general sentiment very well...it seems most people are discussing that a submissive is a submissive, is a submissive; regardless of type, level, degree or passion.  If they call themselves a submissive...then, by golly, they ARE a submissive.  I understand labels and ‘boxes’ are difficult for some people.  Agreeing with these broad sentiments are difficult for me, though.
 
Okay, I'll go out on a limb here.  (Talk about stubborn?  ...yes I am; but...) MY question to the world is:
 
If 'submission' is a dish offered on this buffet called BDSM...like spaghetti might be offered; and if we all agree this dish includes long, extruded-type pasta and tomato sauce...and then we come upon one dish called 'submissive' which is baked fish with tomato sauce and peas; wouldn’t anybody think it’d been mislabeled?  Wouldn't it cause LOTS of problems for people who might find it on their plate...if they were expecting pasta & tomato sauce?  HOW are we to talk about such things, if the recipe can vary SO widely?
 
Sure, spaghetti can have tons of variations; it can have or not have:  onions, garlic, meat, cheese, vegetables… but the ‘basic' recipe IS there; no?
 
Perhaps I’m just stuck (hell, or just stubborn)…but HOW to we communicate our interest in a particular dish on the buffet, if fish in tomato sauce can be called spaghetti? 
 
I’m pleased with my analogy…it’s to THAT disparity that I see ‘submission’ described.  Perhaps I’m nuts, perhaps I don’t yet understand that D/s does not have to include the power exchange, perhaps I’m too damn narrow minded; but I DO expect pasta and tomato sauce with my spaghetti. 
 
Someone mentioned they like things black & white; I am much the same...I have trouble with grey.  For several days now, I've been trying to figure out how we can discuss things when we hve no definitions.  Maybe I need to broaden my realization of both spaghetti AND submission…and just accept that for some, it’s a part-time, if-I-feel-like-it sorta thing...and let it go that definitions can be broader than I imagined.  It's just hard for me.  I end up wanting to tell people I'm a pilot...or a fireman; just cuz I wannabe.
 
MOO, MNSHO; YMMV

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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/19/2006 1:15:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't have the time to read this whole thread but I thought I'd contribute.

Subs I like are the 100% submissive in all walks of life types.  None of this fiesty "challenging" crap.  Kind of girl that I come home to her cleaning my house or making food.  And when it's time to hit the sheets she does as she's told.

If it weren't for the language barrier I'd be all over the Chinese girls at the Asian restaurants around here

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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/19/2006 1:20:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bearlee.. I see where you keep going with your instantance you are right...and no one else sees what you are trying to say.. or understand. But bottom line.. the way you see things..are not going to be the way everyone else sees things. Some yes.... all... no. Why this is so hard to understand is beyond me. I don't think you are totally shallow.. just a little close minded to other peoples ways. Because they're not your way.

This had been pointed out to me before on here as well. All because I didn't see things the way others did... it made me closed minded. Though I've never thought of myself as close minded. I just knew my own likes.. dislikes.. beliefs.... nothing wrong with that at all... as long as all though we stand firm on our own.. we allow others to stand firm on  their as well.

Some people spend to much time trying to define themselves.... label others... live with someone elses protocol... living for yourself...and the one you are with.. should be more important...


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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/19/2006 1:41:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bearlee
  Maybe I need to broaden my realization of both spaghetti AND submission…and just accept that for some, it’s a part-time, if-I-feel-like-it sorta thing...and let it go that definitions can be broader than I imagined.  It's just hard for me.  I end up wanting to tell people I'm a pilot...or a fireman; just cuz I wannabe.


I'm probably one of those who confuses you, Bev, by being labeled "submissive" on this site.  I've stated several times in various posts on various threads that submissive is pretty much a default lable for me - the least of all available evils, since the rest are REALLY not me at all, and how I DO usually identify myself is unavailable in context of the site's available options.  (I'm a Bottom who is only nominally submissive - but purely SM choices aren't likely to be forthcoming on the site.)
 
It's the least inaccurate because I do, by preference, defer to my partner as a leader when I'm in a relationship.  Granted, that deference has to be earned.  There are areas of my life which I simply won't hand him control over regardless of inducement.  There are very definate things I expect in return for that deference of my opinions / desires / needs to his in the areas that I Am willing to hand him control over.  I won't offer that deference to anyone else Other than my partner - nor consider anyone else something other than my peer.  I'm not going to offer someone more than usual courtesy based on a self assumed title, and I'm also going to expect them to treat ME as a peer unless we become acknowledged partners.  I don't particularly "get it" when submissives talk about gaining some sort of grand fulfillment simply from knowing they've been obedient, or from making someone else happy.  I am absolutely Clueless about the concept of doing things out of some sort of fear of punishment - if I fear my partner, I'm not going to stay, end of discussion.  If I want my butt bruised, I'm going to tell him.  If I dont' feel up to it, I'm Also going to tell him, and expect him to respect that.  I'm not all that hip on being "service oriented" - I figure if I wanted to be someone's  waitress, cook, maid, laundry service, lawn service (whatever) then I could go get a Paying job doing any of those things.  If I do them in the course of my relationship, it's not because "he told me to" or "it makes him happy."  It's because the chores have to get done in the household whether I live alone or with him, and I fully expect him to do his share of the day to day maintenance of a mutual household.  Do I expect to be his equal?  Not in the sense that most people would take it.  I consider my position in a mutual household, and my work there, to be equally important to his.  I consider our contributions to be equally important.  Not necessarily the same, yet definitely equally necessary and equally important, and yes - sometimes interchangeable, depending on the task that needs doing.
 
(btw - I found it amusing that you mentioned sometimes wanting to tell people you're a pilot simply because you'd like to be one.  I am a pilot, and when I'm in the cockpit of a plane is when I'm probably at my Least submissive - by damned, it's my plane and my controls - you just sit there and keep your hands to yourself and your mouth shut about suggestions or instructions, and let me do my job until we're back on the ground again!  )

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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/19/2006 3:06:42 PM   
Bearlee


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Status: offline 		LOL… thanks for your post, peach!   It’s true, I have trouble with definitions; as somebody else said; I like black & white and have trouble with grey…   Of course, I’ve said several times, I realize many things are not so cut and dried…but I’m trying to wrap my head around just how grey things can be!  LOL…
 
I’ve repeatedly said, it’s my problem, I’m interested in dialog and that so many people seem to be ‘arguing’ a different argument…I assume I’m not making myself clear.  <shrugs>  Perhaps I am and some just like to flame, I dunno.  As I said in the post to which you replied, perhaps I should: “let it go that definitions can be broader than I imagined.”  However, I thought I'd try once more with the suggestion of the BDSM buffet...sure made sense to me. 
 
You talked of being a bottom.  I occasionally switch; I top.  The way I top is more like the way I see other’s bottom; there’s not much D/s involved.  See…it can get VERY complicated.  LOL
 
<grinz>  A pilot, huh!  Too cool!  (Does that mean you fly an airplane…or drive a fire truck, I wonder?  Hee hee hee  …okay I’ll quit being facetious!)
 
Thank you again for your contributions…I think when people dialogue, everybody can learn something.
 
bearlee, beverly, bear, bj, beej, honey, sweetie, girl…
 
PS...didn't you just move?  Are ya happy to be home?

Edited for font-size corrections.  sheeshhhhhhhhhh!

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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/19/2006 4:58:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bearlee, you seem to be trying to define submissiveness in a different way than I do. I will give you my view, not that it is more valid than any other mind you.

Take two people calling themselves submissives involved in power exchanges. One to the outsider “looks” like the ideal cooperative submissive. She never talks back and always does as is told. She is also very insecure, from an abusive household, and she has no personal power of her own to give to anyone, she is not a “doormat” even, she is just a broken person that has little choice internally. (I am not saying cooperative obedient subs have been abused btw)

Take the next submissive… she is high functioning, fiery, seems to be in charge most of the time, and her dom doesn’t tell her what to do very often, preferring her the way she is naturally, taking joy in her strong personality. He never has her serve others, preferring to keep her all to himself, and when they are alone he dominates her completely sexually and she serves him well not just that way, but is an asset to him in other ways.

From the outside the first woman looks submissive. The second does not. Personally, in my opinion I cannot understand a power exchange with someone that does not have their own mind and personal power.. it seems like it could not happen. I do understand power exchange can be a subtle thing that could almost be missed by an outsider. The second lady had more power to give than the first… just my way of looking at it

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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/19/2006 5:41:18 PM   
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I agree, slavejali.  When I think of "levels," I think of them within myself.  Levels of my own depths of submission that I reach, over time. 


Yes, I can definitely agree with this. And as, Jessica says above:

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ORIGINAL: BreakMeShakeMe

Different levels for the different ones I serve... as they command me while in their company.


When I'm casually submitting (and let's not get off on a flame about my use of casual here...I mean as in "friends at play/scening, not serious relationship") then I'm aware on some level that the person I am with has limited authority.

Jessica has mentioned this before I think...that the brain is unable at this point to obey mindlessly...and therefore the level of submission is not as deep.

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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/19/2006 5:51:44 PM   
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I dont consider myself all-knowing and omnipotent.  I am in a relationship with this person for my own learning and growth, as well as for hers.  What I do firmly believe is that a submissive does what she does for me because she wants to do it, she respects the dynamic, etc.  If she does not do what I want her to do, I dont immediately jump on the punitive bandwagon and get angry with her.  First thing I want to do is find out WHY she is being contrary.  I dont want to assume she is trying to cause me grief with her behavior.


::sigh:: And just why don't you live in Vancouver?

(searches around madly for someone to invent a teleportation device)

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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/19/2006 6:16:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CitizenWolf

I don't have the time to read this whole thread but I thought I'd contribute.

Subs I like are the 100% submissive in all walks of life types.  None of this fiesty "challenging" crap.  Kind of girl that I come home to her cleaning my house or making food.  And when it's time to hit the sheets she does as she's told.

If it weren't for the language barrier I'd be all over the Chinese girls at the Asian restaurants around here


So, basically, what you're saying is that you don't believe someone who is not a doormat can be very submissive?  That or you're either too lazy to take on the challenge of someone who cares to use her brain, or you aren't equipped to take on the challenge of someone who uses her brain.

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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/19/2006 6:19:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bearlee

Perhaps I’m nuts, perhaps I don’t yet understand that D/s does not have to include the power exchange, perhaps I’m too damn narrow minded; but I DO expect pasta and tomato sauce with my spaghetti. 


I don't anyone has said there is D/s without one person being in the position of authority.

Your boss is in a position of authority, and I bet some of your co-workers question him more than others. He is still the boss, they are still employees.

Some employees are more likely to push a boss' limits, but they may be excellent at what they do, and the boss decides if they are worth it. The authority is still there.

Some bosses like employees who question a lot, some like employees with initiative...other's don't. Some bosses want you to run everything by them for approval, and some don't want to do the work they hired and trusted you to do.

It's all a matter of matching up the right employee with the right boss...and you have harmony.

Does this anology help?

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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/19/2006 11:40:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bearlee
  However, I thought I'd try once more with the suggestion of the BDSM buffet...sure made sense to me. 
  's Ok - the buffet analogy made sense to ME, as well - and I'm not sure whether I would be considered "spagetti" or "veal parmasan over riggatoni with marinara."  (Yep, I do a LOT of cooking LMAO - my kitchen is my laboratory!)
 
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PS...didn't you just move?  Are ya happy to be home?
Eh - like every move that someone makes which involves going halfway across the country - it's had it's ups and downs.  I originally moved to be in a relationship - which promptly fell apart after being there for 3 months.  In all, there were *counts* 6 moves in 10 months spanning 5 different states. I learned some things about myself while I was away from "home."  I picked up some new hobbies. I put some things into better perspective.  I made some new friends, and learned that some people whom I thought were friends weren't.  And when my family said they needed me to come back, I came back grateful that I'd had a chance to gain the experience... and Much more appreciative of what my native area had to offer.  I've gotten back into the middle of the local BDSM community since I moved home, which I'd gotten away from for a while before my move - and that has definately been beneficial for me on several levels.  I'm even (slowly) getting back to a point where I can think of the term "ds dynamic" without wanting to alternately puke or kill something.

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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/20/2006 12:26:33 AM   
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His Highness (before me) thought that he prefered submissives who were as Citizen Wolf states "100% submissive".  Then he met me.  I am his match intellectually and regularly argue different political positions as well as different philosophical and theological subjects.  I am dominant in my business, being responsible for a social service agency and all the employees and clients therein.  Yet, I recognized his inherent, natural strength and dominance OVER ME.  Now he is thrilled to see such a strong capable woman bow to his every wish.  He can say something in passing, and I remember and try to please him in all ways.

So he has the woman who cooks, cleans and is submissive under the sheets.  Yet, he gets the fiesty, bullheaded woman who will tell him to call his doctor or shut off the lights and take him to bed when he is too overtired to think clearly.  And we really ARGUE alot.  But we have all the passion as well.

So using the buffet analogy, I'm probably the hot, fiesty filling for the Chilli Rellaneos and he is the delightful sauce that tops it all off and makes the combination work. 

Different levels of submission?  I don't think so.  Not when there are so many varieties of human beings on this earth.  How many foods can one incorporate into a buffet?  The possibilities are endless.


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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/20/2006 12:58:29 AM   
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::sigh:: And just why don't you live in Vancouver?

(searches around madly for someone to invent a teleportation device)


Vancouver is one of the most beautiful and lovely cities on the planet.  Populated by insanely polite Canadian people and with streets so clean you can eat off them.

If I was given a choice of where I could live, it would be the Pacific Northwest.

But to answer your question, your branch of the ILWU union does not allow people who are not Canadian's to pick up jobs.

I suspect it is some nonsense with the Canadian government not wanting people from other countries to steal jobs from Canadians.  Its not like the good ole USofA would ever do... wait... umm

Move along, nothing to see here.

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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/20/2006 1:11:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: feastie

So, basically, what you're saying is that you don't believe someone who is not a doormat can be very submissive?  That or you're either too lazy to take on the challenge of someone who cares to use her brain, or you aren't equipped to take on the challenge of someone who uses her brain.


I met somebody on another site, and actually introduced her to this site, and we were having a discussion tonight on the phone about the whole "What defines a Dominant (or submissive)" idea.

So I launch into this Dominant pontification (I apologized, the gene to prevent pontification about things is found on the part of the chromosome which women have and men do not (XX vs. XY) about system theory relating to the fact that in a complex system, the number of variables involved in making the system function tend to be so complex and so filled with minutae, that it becomes impossible to really figure out why the system functions as it does.

I discuss the concept of a butterfly flapping it's wings in Africa which causes a snowball effect which eventually creates a hurricane which eats New Orleans.  Hey, it could happen.

I discuss the computer games about chaos theory of Life and (I cant remember the names of the other one) wherein you can take a self-sustaining pattern from a game, impose it on a new blank grid of pixels, turn on the game engine, and the self-sustaining pattern from the other game doesnt work in the new BLANK system.

I pointed out to her that in a D/s relationship where you take Perfect Dominant and match them with perfect submissive, if the other variables from the (presumably complex, but I have met any number of mindless simpletons playing at D/s) system dont match up, the relationship will NOT work.  In physics this would be known as an impedance mismatch.  Two things work just fine in other circuits, but when you put them in the same circuit (system) they fail.

She adds things to the discussion.  Eventually, the conversation turned to something she has expertise in, and I dont, and we talked about that for a half hour.

I dont know.  If some Dominant wants some brain dead twit who gazes at him with cow eyes and mumbles "yer so smart" just prior to giving him a blow job.  He/She is welcome to them.  I want somebody that can add something to the conversation.  For me, the brain is the most attractive part of a submissive.

Im not sure what that has to do with the discussion.  But I have worked back to back shifts for several days and spent the night pissing women off and getting kicked in the head, it is 1:10am, and I cannot get to sleep.  Freaking adrenalin.

Just me, etc.

Sinergy

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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/20/2006 7:46:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Vancouver_cinful

::sigh:: And just why don't you live in Vancouver?

(searches around madly for someone to invent a teleportation device)


Vancouver is one of the most beautiful and lovely cities on the planet.  Populated by insanely polite Canadian people and with streets so clean you can eat off them.


LOL You've been here I take it?

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But to answer your question, your branch of the ILWU union does not allow people who are not Canadian's to pick up jobs.


Well, damn them, damn them I say! How dare they keep out anyone who seems to have such a yummy handle on D/s? ::grumbles::



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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/20/2006 8:28:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've look at those 9 levels etc lists before. I definitely look for a certain kind of dominance in men which is similar to my submissiveness. It's inherent; they've never been any other way and canont be; it's not put on or a game; they don't switch (like me - I couldn't) and they easily and naturally take power and are after power exchange and control much more than anything mechanical done in bed and want in the context of a loving long term relationship of two people who respect and admire each other and consult each other, to be in charge. It's more "takeninhand" than "ropework skills". I can see it when it's there and when it's absent that's a shame and I don't think it can be manufactured.

On submissive women, I tend to want to obey so I'd rarely be difficult for the sake of it and I like men who are genuinely aroused by that compliance. That doesn't mean it's always easy to comply but it means there's not much need or desire for any battles on either side.

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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/20/2006 8:46:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is my own leval of submission. I have discovered that most alleged dommes and subs on this website or anything but what they claim to be. It is just a light hearted fantasy game online for most.


Do you harbour   both the desire to own a real male slave and the absolute necessity for one in her life.

Slavery may involve the provision of sexual servitude for some Women but it is not all about sexual gratification. It is about surrender, sacrifice,honor,obedience,suffering,subjegation,service. It is never about fulfilment of any slaves fantasies,wants or desires. A slave is  devoid of freedom and is just owned property. My first obligation is always to ensure the comfort and happiness of my Lady Owner. I have no entitlement whatsoever to recieve anything in return save for the security  afforded me by being placed into Slavery,so that I may practice the fulfilment of my birthright vocation. This will ensure my physical and emotional necessities. A freeborn person can be  held captive but may one day be returned to freedom. A Slave ,once owned, remains aklways a Slave there is never a return to freedom. Slavery is irrevocable because a Slave is just property.

Profile Objective:

To enter into sensible, intelligent, mature dialogue with a genuine Dominant Women,concerning the possibility of her aquiring actual physical ownership of myself has her personal legitimate property.

Physical Description:

Age: 38 years
Star Sign: Cancer
Height: 6 feet 2 inches
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Blue
Build: Muscular
Chest: 40 inches
Waist: 34 inches
Hips: 38 inches
Penis: 5 inches flaccid 10 inches erect

Education and training:

High School Diploma
B.A.(Hons) History
Catering Certificate
Gardening Certificate
Plumbing Certificate
Drivers License
MasseurDiploma

Belief  System:

From the age of 4 years, I became aware of the fact that my thoughts and beliefs where radically different from my contempories. Over time I began to realise why this was so. I  gradually accepted the fact that I was born with a genetic disposition for servitude. Moreover, I finally realised that I wasa natural born slave and that my destiny lay in being owned has property in a consensual association. I researched the subject intensively and that confirmed beyond all doubt that which I was. I am not ashamed of being that which I am ,but rarther I am proud of being what I am. I seek no other lifestyle existance. I also believe quite genuinely that some special women or born to rule over and direct slave males such has myself who exist in order too enhance ,reward and fulfil the lifestyle experience of those special women. This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with sexual gratification or perverse fantasy. I prefer to be celibate so that I can concentrate upon service oriented labor without the urge for sexual gratification or procreation.

Prior Legal Subject Association:

Winnifred Van Zalm
School Principal
Female Supremacist
Victorville,California
Irrevocable General Power of Attorney
7 years 4 months duration
Chattal Bondage Subject


Daphe De Normandie
Nursing Director
Female Supremacist
Dener,Colorado
Irrevocable General Power of Attorney/Adult Adoption
5 years 8 months duration
Chatal Bondage Subject

Florence MacAnove
Attorney
Female Supremacist
Richmond,Virginia,USA
Adult Guardianship Order
2 years 6 months(died suddenly)
Chattal Bondage Subject

All the above ladies are/where female supremacists who believed all males should be enslaved and owned has property by women.

Freedom actually pollutes my psyche and depletes my natural submission. Prolonged exposure to its negative and destructive influence is actually harming my emotional and physical health. I need to be placed back into the environment for which I was born and am best suited. I realise this task will be difficult to attain but I can promise any Dominant Women ,complete obedience and religious devotion at all times without exception.

I do not exist in order to satisfy my own desires I exist purely to satisfy the desires of a Dominant Slave Owning female supremacist. I therefore require nothing except food, a cage, collar,chastity restraint,shackles, and legal ownership. I must have sufficient labor to keep me occupied most of each day so that I can maximise my usefulness and never get bored.

I am solvent thanks to a legacy from my late Father in the form of a monthly allowence.

I am prepared to relocate to any European Union member nation in order to serve in slavery has the property of a Dominant Women.

Many Dominant Women in the United States favour owning males has legitimate property. Sadly,few if any in the United Kingdom appear to seek actual ownership of a male slave in the true sense.

Lifestyle Orientation beliefs Questionaire:

1. Are you awere that although actual Slave Owneship is illegal that there are still legal enactments on the statute books that can facilitate Power Exchange relationships between Dominant and Submissive individuals?

2. Would you be willing to enact one of these legal Power Exchanges so that you can aquire actual authority over another individual to act on their behalf concerning their affairs and wellbeing?

3. Do you believe that there is both the essential need for and desire within society to aquire a Power Exchange between both Dominant and Submissive individuals so that the former can have legitimate power and control over the movements of and direct the day to day activities of the latter in the service of the former for their direct personal benefit?

4. Do you believe that all submissive individuals who volunteer to become the chattel bondage subjects of the Dominant individual, be it irrevocable or fixed term subjegation, should sign over all right to be responsible for themselves to their Dominant Owner so that said Owner can be possessed of the legal right to exercise legitimate power and control?

5. Do you believe that during the period of the irrevocable or fixed term voluntary subjegation that the Submissive individual surrender itself in its entirety and that it ceases during that time to have any entitlement whatsoever to any freedom, human rights or civil liberties?

6. Do you believe that there should always be a social distance between the Dominant power and Subservient individual and that there cannot be any equality of status between the two since one is possessed of total power and the other is entirely devoid of any power whatsoever?

7. Do you believe that the Submissive should adopt certain recognised postures in the presence of the Dominant power in order to reinforce the fact that one is superior and the other inferior and as a mark of respect and devotion?

8. Do you believe that it is the perogative of the Dominant power to determine wether or not the Submissive entity should be utilised to provide sexercise stimulation and that the said entity should have the genitals kept locked in chastity restraint at all times except for when and if required?

9. Do you believe that when irrevocable, voluntary subjegation is enacted that the Submissive entity should be permenantly marked with the Insignia of the Dominant power so that all recognise the commitment involved ?

10. Do you believe that the Submissive entity should wear a locked collar has a token of its voluntary, irrevocable or fixed term subjegation to the Dominant power?

11. Do you believe that in appropriate situations the Submissive entity should wear locked movement restraint shackles or plastic movement restraints to restrict but not prevent movement?

12. Do you believe that the Submissive entity should be gagged or hooded at appropriate times as necessary to facilitate control has necessary in given situations?

13. Do you believe that a Submissive entity should sacrifice itself when necessary to endure prolonged painful suffering for the direct personal benefit of the Dominant power so that the said power can derive three dimensional euphoria and general welbeing?

14. Do you believe that the Submissive entity should be kept in a state of perpetual naturism so it is humiliated and degraded and constantly reminded of its inferior nonentity status except when the Dominant power has guests or family present?

15. Do you believe that once a Power Exchange has been enacted that the Submissive entity should be regarded has being the de facto Property of the Dominant power for the duration of the agreed timespan?

16. Do you believe that the Submissive entity should not be shown any kindness or compassion or given any praise, thanksgiving or reward for the performance of their voluntary servitude whilst in a state of Power Exchange Subjegation has de facto Property?

17. Do you believe that the Submissive entity should contribute both to its own upkeep and the upkeep of the Dominant power at all times during the duration of the agreed Subjegation?

18. Do you believe that a formal and elaborate collaring cerimony in the presence of a lifestyle ordained clergyperson and invited congregation would serve to enhance the solemnity and sacred nature of the Power Exchange Subjegation and so make it more meaningful by the exchange of solemn vows in the presence of witnesses?

19. Do you believe that during the entire period of the duration of the agreed voluntary Subjegation under Power Exchange Control that the Submissive entity cease to have any contact with family or friends and preferably terminate all contact irrevocably so it can concentrate upon servicing your personal needs exclusively?

20. Do you believe that the Submissive entity should be housed in appropriate facilities that befit its nonentity status, such has a Cage, Cupboard, Basement/Cellar, Attic/Loft or similier when it is resting overnight or when it is not required for service at a particular time?

21. Do you believe that once taken into formal and quite legal statute enactment ownership, a slave ceases to be  a person and becomes a mere Livestock Beast?

I am loathe to send out any personal photograph or other details until such time as a mutual trust and respect has been established between us. I have been subject to numourous attempts at Identity Theft, Financial Fraud, and Blackmail online these past 12 months. I no longer take chances until it is certain both parties or genuine and sincere and that has been consistantly demonstrated.




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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/20/2006 8:52:43 AM   
MistressOfGa


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I have recieved this same "profile letter" in email from someone else last year who did not have the same ID as yours. Different profile information, age, location, ect.
 
Either he is a liar or you are.

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RE: Levels Of Submissives - 6/20/2006 10:21:50 AM   
zumala


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quote:

ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa
Dominants/Switches: Which type of submissive do you find more appealing and why?


Firstly, I suit a slave more than a sub simply because of the level of control I automaticaly take, the more I care, the more control I assume, it is part of the way I care. TPE and 24/7 is a natural destination for most of my successful relationships unless there is some real-life reason for not taking control of one or more parts of her life (Even there, she will get support and advice wherever needed even for those parts of her life I don't take direct responcibility for)

She is focused on making me happy, in all of our life together, not simply in the bedroom, she is slave, not simply a BDSM bottom. Even something as simple as making her Master a coffee is more than enough to get both of us smileing because of what it represents in the dynamic. We work together to build the trust in the relationship, over time, over months and years I will eventualy push every soft limit she has as well as taking her right to the limit of her hard limits, but she has full trust that I won't go past those hard limits and that I always have an eye on ensuring she is never 'harmed'.

She isn't a doormat, doormats are boring (And untrustworthy). She has her own thoughts and opinions, she can hold her own in any discussion, she is bright and interesting, she remains a person, not just a robot. As I stated in a recent post, Geisha's where taught the art of conversation. I enjoy spending time with my slave because she is an interesting person to be around. She shares her opinions, her wants and her needs but submits to MY decision knowing that whilst any individual decision may be yes or no, but overall in the relationship I will look to ensure BOTH of us are fullfilled.

I have a robust sense of humour and she is likely to be the same, but she knows when to be polite and respectful just as she knows when being 'cheeky' is not just acceptable but enjoyed as being fun.... even if Master is the butt of the joke However she isn't a brat, she is MY good girl. A Brat is willfully disobedient, my girl is never that!

'punishment' is rarely needed, if I am disapointed in her that is more than enough punishment. Though some girls need there Masters help to achieve closure on a error before they can put it behind them and stop beating themselves up. Silly childish games to try and evoke 'punishment' are NOT part of the way I work, if my girl desires a caneing, she ASKS! Such things are play, not punishment. When I need to punish it ISN'T enjoyable.... for EITHER of us!

If she has a switchy nature it isn't a problem so long as she knows I will never switch, but we can find ways for that part of her to be expressed, including the possibility of having a pet of her own.

I could go on... but this would turn into a damn essay



I haven't finished reading through the entire thread yet, but what RavenMuse said struck a chord, so I thought I'd comment.  His definition of a submissive/slave sounds a lot like me.  My husband is a submissive, but if I go by the biblical definition of a wife, I'm submissive to him anyway.  I take that and run with it.  It pleases me to please him.  If he's happy with the dinner I made, I'm thrilled.  If he scolds me for something and I know he's right, I take it to heart.  I ask his opinion.  He doesn't care for clothes shopping anymore than most men do, but he'll take me out if I need something and then give his opinion when I model it.  I trust his taste more than I do my own.  I've never been the sissy girly-girl type.  I'm more of a tomboy.   Not that I don't wear a dress on occasion and look good, mind you.  I just prefer wearing shorts and a T-shirt when I go hiking.
 
I'd submit sexually, but only to my husband.  So for a potential Dom, we're off-limits in that way.  But the D/s dynamic is something I understand and desire.  What 'kind' of submissive does that make me?  I don't really know.  I am what I am.  But if a Dom wants intelligence combined with good-nature and a love of the outdoors, I might be something they'd want.  But as someone mentioned earlier... any stranger who just up and calls me a slut off the bat... whew.  They're gonna find themselves ignored.  If they do it real life, they'll still get ignored.  But if they try it a second time, they'd best be prepared to match wits with me.  I can be sharp-tongued when necessary. 
 
zuma

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