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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 1:38:39 AM   
ChatteParfaitt


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I have seen the hatchet job that ensues like vicious popcorn the moment someone tries to start an interesting thread, or say something interesting.


I'd love to see some recent examples (not in P & R please).

I've seen hatchet jobs on moronic threads, not on interesting ones.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 1:42:26 AM   
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I have also had two profiles removed for "excessive reporting".
No warnings, just an email to say cease and desist.... then 30 minutes later, I am just a "guest" visitor and profile deleted.


I seriously believe there is probably much more to that story than you are sharing. If any of it is true in the first place.

I can assure it's very true.

It happened on 23rd October this year - that's why I have yet another new profile.

I was bored on 22nd so decided to browse through the pics.
Every time I came across something that obviously violated ToS, I reported the pic.
I gave up after an hour as the pics were repeating.
The next day, I did the same... browsed the pics and reported those that blatantly violated ToS.
I got a cmail saying to 'cease and desist' or further action would be taken (and no, I won't name the Mod who sent it); so I stopped immediately.
Halfway through the afternoon I was doing just what I am now, reading and making the odd comment.
A post I was replying to wasn't allowed to be posted because 'I was no longer signed in'.
I tried to sign in and found that my profile was deleted.

And that's why my current ID starts from 23rd October - I had to make a new profile... again.
The one before that got deleted around May/June time I believe.
And that was because I had a load of posts pulled and I complained about it because I felt it was unjust.
In that same cmail I asked for my complaint to be made a formal one against the Mod in question.
Again, within 30 minutes of that cmail, my account was deleted.



Hmm... could you prove this allegation.

I think that it is either false, or you're not quite telling the whole story.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 1:46:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

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I have seen the hatchet job that ensues like vicious popcorn the moment someone tries to start an interesting thread, or say something interesting.


I'd love to see some recent examples (not in P & R please).

I've seen hatchet jobs on moronic threads, not on interesting ones.


Ditto.

Yes, it is true that there are threads that get a good kicking... but my memory (which could be selective and/or faulty) is that they tend to be really fucking stupid threads.

Every now and again there's a really awesome thread - and it's a pleasure to watch the regulars chiming in with the newcomers.




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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 1:47:51 AM   
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I dare ya to go first!


Fine. Give me a day to think of something. But then we have a deal. Remember.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 2:34:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
I'd love to see some recent examples (not in P & R please).


I don't know what you consider recent, but I thought this was a pretty clear example:

www.collarchat.com/m_4205198/mpage_1/tm.htm

That said, these things happen much more often to newbies than long time posters, and I haven't seen anything very recently. Then again, I don't read most of the threads here, just dabble in what seems interesting. I have to admit that "hatchet jobs" are becoming far less common then they used to be. I'm pleased about that. I would be even more pleased if there were anything else to take their place, but it's been awfully quiet.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 2:48:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm going to most strongly disagree with you. The thread started out rather negative, but the OP held his own and it *did* evolve into an interesting discussion.

JMO

I've stated in the past and I will state again, I think we could be kinder to newbies, most especially when they attempt to begin an actual discussion (as opposed to seeking wank fodder, or whatevah).

But the hatchet jobs I've seen have mostly all been in P & R, and there's been much less of that in the last few months. I've even ventured in there a time or two lately and lived to tell about it.







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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 2:56:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to say that those newbies who post, usually do so with extremely negative, angry and bitter posts and when that happens, I'm the type that believes that being a newbie does not give one an open pass where everyone should be nice to you.

When I meet someone in real life and they say something stupid to me, I will roll my eyes and usually try to walk away but sometimes they say something so extremely stupid or rude that I simply cannot walk away and they get exactly what I'm thinking. The excuse that I don't know them does not excuse them from being stupid or moronic.

The only time I can say I don't do this is when I'm with Master and then I don't only because I tend to take a back seat more often and usually I know he'll say something before I will anyway lol.


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 3:01:10 AM   
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I'd love to see some recent examples (not in P & R please).


I don't know what you consider recent, but I thought this was a pretty clear example:

www.collarchat.com/m_4205198/mpage_1/tm.htm

That said, these things happen much more often to newbies than long time posters, and I haven't seen anything very recently. Then again, I don't read most of the threads here, just dabble in what seems interesting. I have to admit that "hatchet jobs" are becoming far less common then they used to be. I'm pleased about that. I would be even more pleased if there were anything else to take their place, but it's been awfully quiet.

Pam


Honestly... have you posted the wrong link? That's a really good thread, the OP held his own, he got some really good feedback and advice from some excellent and experienced posters.

It's precisely that kind of thread that makes this place awesome.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 3:05:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Where exactly is the line between a "hatchet job" and a thread that "started out negative" and then (because the OP held his own for long enough) became an interesting discussion?

I can think of threads where the OP didn't have the same kind of cool objectivity, and things turned out badly for them. I would rather not revisit them, but I can assure you that it happens. I think the line between "hatchet job" and "interesting discussion" is finer than you think.

I will do you the justice to say that such things have not happened recently. Or, at least, I haven't seen them. But I can understand why people, especially newbies, would be reluctant to start threads.

Pam

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 3:26:26 AM   
ChatteParfaitt


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Status: offline 		It is heartcream that used the qualifier 'hatchet job,' not I.

I consider a hatchet job a series of responses from various users that attack the original poster personally, as opposed to merely disagreeing with his contentions or offering negative advice. By negative I mean, advice he/she didn't ask for or didn't want to hear.

I've seen brilliantly snarky hatchet jobs on moronic wanker troll OPs that I quite appreciated. But then, they were not posting to elicit a discussion, they were posting for some other, generally offensive, agenda.

Perhaps heartcream will return to give us a list of 'hatchet job' threads.





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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 4:46:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		I havent seen any interesting threads in ages and ages. I am not drawn to post and it all feels like a glob of boring sameness.

When I have seen one and someone has chimed in with a non-mainstream pov, many folks come in quick, quick and chop down that pov and the air in the room is no longer open and oxygenated. There is an undertone of self-righteous angry superiority that comes across intimidating and most unpleasant for a discussion on the topic. It most often veers off into a 'prove it', 'cite it' kind of huffy cloud of indignation.

Being 'nicer' to newbies is a silly goal in my book. What is being nice? Newbie, Oldie, it matters not. Be yourself and others can feel that. I was a newbie once and it was cool. People responded to me as they do now. Either they dig what I say or they don't. I am grown I can see with my own heart and mind. The same ones that entertained me then entertain me to this day if they post ever.

New folks who I dont 'know' entertain me time to time too. Have no clue who they are, what they are about but in a few crisp words can come across as someone I vibe with or not.




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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 5:04:44 AM   
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What a shame. I've never known that purple was illegible to you. I must have been mistaken that we've had beneficial exchanges before. In the interest of being polite, I am leaving this one black in order to tell you that I will be sorry that you will be skipping My posts in the future.

For what it's worth, it isn't subjects like reincarnation that prompt Me to write dissenting opinions. If you should ever want to talk about books by Elisabeth Kublar-Ross, I'll be more than happy to discuss the subject with you.


Yeah see, I can read this and did read it and thanks for doing this for me.

I picked a random off-center subject that sets folks off freaking out and stomping in caps etc. It could be any number of topics. Anyway, live and live let live that is the lesson I aim to live for myself and let others do the same. We likely have had meaningful exchanges time to time because I was likely very interested in reading the posts but for the most part it is painful physically for me to read purple writing so I dont.



I also have to agree with this - purple writing isn't the easiest thing to read.

Many a time I have had to darken the contrast on my screen just to make out the text.
If I can't be bothered at the time, I leave it until later when my eyes can tolerate it.
But I can't leave it like that because everything else looks too dark or like looking through a smoked screen filter - which I really hate coz I like my screen to be bright and vibrant.

Sorry LP, I do manage to read your posts but I also find it very difficult.
Is it possible to use a slightly darker shade of purple to make it easier?

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 5:15:42 AM   
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Fine. Give me a day to think of something. But then we have a deal. Remember.

Pam



Yes, yes we have a deal. Let us see what you dare.


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 8:23:22 AM   
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I also have to agree with this - purple writing isn't the easiest thing to read.


Yeah, I read purple when it's LadyPact, and there's a clear "despite the purple" in that.

By default, if a post is in purple, I will skip it, because the low contrast makes the eye strain and fatigue so high that most posters can't hope to make it worth the discomfort to read their posts, and the high chromatic aberration in my eyes make it so that I literally cannot read the text in my normal reading position without my glasses on: I have to lean in close to the screen or put my glasses on.

I like to think it amuses LadyPact's inner sadist to inflict her purple on people.

Purple is bad enough that sometimes I skip even her posts.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 9:24:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		For all the purple readers, have you tried
selecting the text? You know how you get the
dark background behind the text when you
select it, might be an easy way to read it.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 10:09:19 AM   
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For all the purple readers, have you tried selecting the text? You know how you get the dark background behind the text when you select it, might be an easy way to read it.


Yeah, if I don't have my glasses around, I do this.

I miss the good old days when grey or green went on black and yellow or white went on blue. It's the decline of monitors, I tell ya.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 1:39:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am going to read what is easy to read. I am not going to copy/paste or anything beyond looking at the box and if I cant read it I dont. Quick, quick, either my attention is halted or not. Purple does not come in loud and clear for me, it drones.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 2:19:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
I'd love to see some recent examples (not in P & R please).


I don't know what you consider recent, but I thought this was a pretty clear example:

www.collarchat.com/m_4205198/mpage_1/tm.htm

That said, these things happen much more often to newbies than long time posters, and I haven't seen anything very recently. Then again, I don't read most of the threads here, just dabble in what seems interesting. I have to admit that "hatchet jobs" are becoming far less common then they used to be. I'm pleased about that. I would be even more pleased if there were anything else to take their place, but it's been awfully quiet.

Pam

Contrary to what others responded to this, I thought it was a good example. I missed that thread, apparently, and I'm glad. As I was reading it now, I was cringing, in the hopes that I didn't reply in it like others did. I don't even think it started out negatively. Women say all the time they prefer men who are older and/or physically stronger than them, but wow if those tables are turned....whew, it's suddenly a kind-delivery system.

Not to discuss the thread here in THIS thread, but I wanted to express why I thought it was a good example. I don't share the same opinion as the other women who contributed to that thread, and I was relieved to see that I wasn't a part of all that.

Here's the thing, though, Pam. If YOU started a thread as heartcream has challenged, I don't think you'll get the same negative reaction, because people know you and like you here. If a newbie started the same thread, we'd see a different response, I think. But that's the way it's always been. We're less likely to attack someone we know than someone we don't, and assume is just another idiot.

Aswad: I wanted to comment on your reply to me, about those who turned on each other during the sock-hay day. I agree with you, in that I have never seen these boards more divided than in those days. I think we've *mostly* recovered from it, but not fully. I know I see a few people much differently as a result.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 2:37:24 PM   
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The purpose of this thread is to explore a tangent I picked up from the "a thread on moderation" thread. I noted many of the regulars lamenting some sort of decline in collarme. Given that I happen to like this site I thought I'd ask for people's thoughts on this that are NOT related to moderation.

What has changed?
Do you have any thoughts for how to improve things?


It's your fault

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/1/2013 2:41:49 PM   
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I know I see a few people much differently as a result.


Yes, it was a good thing, in that regard. A lot of people showed their true colors more clearly during that event. I gained much respect for LaTigresse, for instance, while Domi earned himself a "good riddance", but my view of both would've landed on what it's at in the long run anyway, since it's down to character, not circumstance.

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