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Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find the p... - 12/29/2012 11:42:59 AM   
Pyramus


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Given that there are untold thousands of male Doms seeking female subs/slaves coupled with a seemingly huge plethora of willingly obedient female sub/slaves seeking male Doms, one wonders why anyone would find it even remotely difficult to find a suitably kinky counterpart to resolve our needfully sensual kinky dreams and erotic passions.

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I had started to form my personalized answer to a specific user's question regarding the huge prevalence of fake profiles, when I realized I actually knew very little about the enigma of why so many of us who seek our complement find it so difficult - when the gross numbers of Doms/subs are so overwhelming huge on CM.

My ignorance of statistics reminded me of my uncultured realization, stopping at the first US 880 rest stop south of San Francisco decades ago, that enormous numbers of people seeking similar partners doesn't make for an easy score, in and of itself. At that particular rest stop on that fateful eye opener, there were a score of parked vehicles, each with a lone male inhabitant in the driver's seat, yet, all eyes turned, so to speak, when fresh meat arrived in the form of my untutored person, only to find me soon scurrying away from the misdirected pursuit in my belated realization I was suddenly the potential newfound cottontail prey of a slew of horny males.

Hurriedly fleeing my foolish blunder, I wondered "With so many men in that parking lot, why don't they simply seek each other instead of innocent victims?" I never found the answer.

Likewise, a recent spate of mail Doms complaining about the alarmingly large number of fake female submissive profiles got me thinking about the dilemma anew.
The basic enigma is why should it be at the least difficult for a typical male Dom/top to find a female sub/slave when the sheer numbers of both are huge on this site alone.

For better or worse - I came to the following tentative yet potentially contentious realization: Men hunt, women weed.

Let's talk men first (since I know one - but only one - rather well):

Even given the huge number of female submissive/slave profiles, CM is still a difficult place for your average Dom or top to meet a sub or slave, primarily because of the astoundingly overwhelming number of essentially similar men looking for submissive women.

But, one realization is that it's no different on CM than anywhere else where the entrance fee is similarly nil.

For example, do a search right now on the Craigslist's personal section (the whole set) for your area for "submissive, m4w" versus "submissive, w4m".
I just ran that search in the San Francisco Bay Area where the sheer number of hits for the former predictably went on for pages while the paltry few hits of the latter numbered a mere dozen. Keeping in mind CL allows female posters to last far longer than male, the breathtaking odds against you are even further skewed to your disadvantage.

Add to your disproportionate numbers game the startling proportion of disingenuous female profiles, and your task becomes dauntingly disappointing.

Most people assume the number of deceitful female profiles is rather low simply because they can only easily spot the obvious ones using common sense (which, in and of themselves, is a surprisingly huge number); however, a judicious paste of even the normal-looking profile photos into a google reverse image search will quickly reveal the vast majority of female profile photos within certain age ranges and weight limitations to actually be misappropriated from the net.

We men have it hard - but thats why we're men. It never was easy - it never will be easy - and, well, we have to fight with the tools we have, against thousands of other men at the same time, to obtain the love and devotion of the women of our dreams. It's what being a man means.

Lest you conclude the women have it easy, realize they have a different obstacle to success due to the same reality of numbers.

I won't presume to ever fully understand women, nor what their difficulties are seeking men, so, from my basic uneducated 'male' perspective, I discern only what's painfully obvious to all.

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For women, the numbers game appears, at first, wondrously skewed in the other direction - so one wonders why a woman would ever find it at all difficult to locate a suitable mate.

For women, the problem is different: A female submissive or slave within the same age ranges and weight limitations posted above for the male search will receive hits from we men even before they finish completing their initial profile questionnaire, and those incessant hits will rapidly continue, filling up many pages of their bulk filters within a week and growing at a slowly decreasing rate until most of the men who would message them have given up - leaving only the clueless newbies to continue the onslaught

Finding a man, is absolutely no problem whatsoever for women. It's finding the 'right' man out of those thousands, which is the daunting task for them. Given your typical Bell curve of men out there, most are average (by definition) in, say, intelligence or wealth or masculinity or whatever women are looking for (bear in mind I don't presuppose I actually understand women so I'm only stating the obvious here). Lest it not be obvious to all, a vast majority of men looking for women are, ahem, also married or in existing relationships.

Because women have often shown to be vastly more complex than men (have you read the recent "Why Women Have Sex" by Meston & Buss for example?) I perhaps less convincingly refer again to Craigslist to bolster my suppositions.

Reading women's ads, you'll quickly discern a definite list of filters where their ad is trying to discard the inevitable backlog of unwanted and unwashed responses before they even arrive. These elimination filters vary but a "not married" "have a job" theme is prwhether that be experience, maturity, intelligence, or what, I'm not exactly sure).

The problem for women has been, since the beginning of time, that hoards of marauding men with or without suckling babies at home have always sought them. But women have learned, generally through bad experiences, that men are somewhat less than truthful in their profiles too. In fact, a huge number of the guileful female profiles are actually from men, who, for whatever reason in their pursuit, create the profile as part of their promiscuous hunt. I would assume that lesbian females are particularly on the lookout for this common deception.

Having said all that, the only concise summary I can offer is that men hunt, women weed, and both have to deal with an enormous amount of duplicity in the process. However - just as the maxim "men rape, women rob" or "men seek sex, women desire love", are untrue in their simplicity, so is my entire admonition above.

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In summary, with the huge number of male Dom/top profiles coupled with similarly compatible female sub/slave profiles, why do you think anyone would find it the least bit difficult to quickly locate a suitable kinky counterpart?
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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 11:52:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Pyramus
men hunt, women weed, and both have to deal with an enormous amount of duplicity in the process.


That!

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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 11:52:57 AM   
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Because I'm looking for a relationship, not to "resolve kinky dreams and erotic passions". It's not just about sex for me. I believe many women are with me on that sentiment.

Many, many men on this and other sites are looking only for sex. Period.

Simple, no?

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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 11:55:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Pyramus
Lest you conclude the women have it easy, realize they have a different obstacle to success due to the same reality of numbers.


My filters say female only, local only, with telephone verification required, and I still get reams of men trying to convince me otherwise.

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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 12:03:28 PM   
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Great post Pyramus and I'd like to offer an in-depth response but the problem is I pretty much agree with you point by point. This is why I agree with Kana's "The numbers game is for pussies" line of reasoning. Often times I think the rub for men and women both is that they are not selling to their target market. They want to get an opposite gender partner that behaves like their own gender. Predictably, that drastically cuts down on the available pool resulting in a lot of frustration. That frustration comes out in different ways but it's the same problem under the covers.

Were it true that the numbers game was real then I don't understand why there's ANY single females on this site nor do I understand why I would be reading thread after thread of disappointed females. Shouldn't they be able to come here, find a perfect partner, and move on again like a shooting star? Clearly things are not that simple from the female side. Anyone who actually reads the women's posts ought to know why it isn't that simple... the phrase "fetish delivery system" comes to mind.

One of the half-joking things I say to Carol is that men and women both want an impossibly contradictory set of traits. The woman is supposed to be both madonna and whore. The men are supposed to be Conan & Dr. Phil. Both genders want a wide range of traits that often times don't comfortably sit next to each other. People who DO manage to combine those traits seldom have a hard time finding potential partners. But even then there are problems because their standards are [quite reasonably] high so finding the RIGHT partner is still hard.

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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 12:08:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: smartsub10

Because I'm looking for a relationship, not to "resolve kinky dreams and erotic passions". It's not just about sex for me. I believe many women are with me on that sentiment.

Many, many men on this and other sites are looking only for sex. Period.

Simple, no?


Exactly! Sure, I could satisfy my kinky dreams any number of ways, but I'd prefer to find a person to build a RELATIONSHIP with that begins first as trusted friends, then becoming kinky friends, then evolving into mutually - deviant fiends. :) In fact, one of the best relationships I've had with a woman -- lasting about two years -- did not involve "sex" (ie, penetration) per se ... but we had a wonderful kinky sexual experience that worked around many other aspects of sexuality. To my surprise, never once did we feel 'needy' or unfulfilled -- unless it was part of the plan at the time, of course!

This thread is interesting because as someone who came back to CM recently and been perusing the boards / profiles, I've been wondering the same thing about ghost profiles, fakers, etc.




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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 12:16:05 PM   
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This site is free. Any number of people can create any number of profiles. Make them pay and most all of that comes to a halt. NOT that I am suggesting that, even for a minute.

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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 12:46:53 PM   
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I do not disagree with your comments about weeding vs hunting. However, I have proved over and over again, that a well written profile works well and works quickly. Just tell:

who you are
who you want
what you offer
what you expect

Post a few attractive photos and it shouldn’t even take a month to find someone unless you live in the boonies. I had these very conversations 4 years ago and took time out to rewrite several member’s profiles. Everyone, M/F D or s had more than one compatible attractive match in a few weeks time.

Your profile is your ad, you are selling yourself to the viewer. There is never an excuse to have anything negative (negative filters) in your profile. You only should use positive filters.

Anyway, nice post.


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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 1:08:34 PM   
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quote:

One of the half-joking things I say to Carol is that men and women both want an impossibly contradictory set of traits. The woman is supposed to be both madonna and whore. The men are supposed to be Conan & Dr. Phil. Both genders want a wide range of traits that often times don't comfortably sit next to each other. People who DO manage to combine those traits seldom have a hard time finding potential partners. But even then there are problems because their standards are [quite reasonably] high so finding the RIGHT partner is still hard.


Dr. Phil!!!??? God help me. LOL

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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 1:26:30 PM   
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quote:

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Dr. Phil!!!??? God help me. LOL

LOL... yeah I finger-stuttered when typing that too. But I was in a hurry reaching for some image of "emotionally sensitive" or something like that.


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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 1:30:19 PM   
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well golly gee whiz.. your idea of what is "similarly compatible" is obviously not their idea of "similarly compatible"..

when I tell a guy this, he seemingly must try to prove me wrong..

good luck with your "hunt"..

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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 1:30:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: smartsub10

Dr. Phil!!!??? God help me. LOL


Well he does bark "Tough Tinsel!" to a whiny passenger in that luxury SUV commercial running this holiday season..... *ducks*

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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 1:32:54 PM   
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I guess I've been pretty lucky, I'm assuming the
more unusual and kinky, the harder to find a
partner that's into that?

I like this>
quote:

One of the half-joking things I say to Carol is that men and women both want an impossibly contradictory set of traits. The woman is supposed to be both madonna and whore. The men are supposed to be Conan & Dr. Phil. Both genders want a wide range of traits that often times don't comfortably sit next to each other. People who DO manage to combine those traits seldom have a hard time finding potential partners. But even then there are problems because their standards are [quite reasonably] high so finding the RIGHT partner is still hard.


There are two things like jeff said, finding a partner
and finding the Right partner, if someone has
problems with the first one, coming to CM isn't
going to help them...
And the second one is a doozy.

Good luck all you horny people,
-Aries

PS,
Madonna is a whore jeff...




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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 4:24:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: anaturalsubmiss


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pyramus
men hunt, women weed, and both have to deal with an enormous amount of duplicity in the process.


That!




Really? Boy, have I been doing it wrong! It seems I have no business browsing profiles and writing to the guys that interest me. Silly woman!

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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 4:35:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Baroana


quote:

ORIGINAL: anaturalsubmiss


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pyramus
men hunt, women weed, and both have to deal with an enormous amount of duplicity in the process.


That!




Really? Boy, have I been doing it wrong! It seems I have no business browsing profiles and writing to the guys that interest me. Silly woman!


Reading that I think there's a Power Exchange joke in there somewhere, but for the life of me I can't put it into words. D'oh!

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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 5:09:26 PM   
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My experience is rather frustratingly different. Met one utterly intoxicating and ultimately frustrating and another oddly enough very different but similar outcome.

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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 6:23:47 PM   
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It doesn't seem that complicated to me. Those of us of either gender who are looking for a relationship will have to exercise more patience and spend more time than those looking for sex, or for the apparent bdsm analogue of "play". OP, your profile says you are married, which I would think is the similarly uncomplicated reason that you may be experiencing difficulties finding what you are seeking.

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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 6:28:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

They want to get an opposite gender partner that behaves like their own gender.


Amazingly accurate observation!

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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 6:35:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: aldorax
I'd prefer to find a person to build a RELATIONSHIP with that begins first as trusted friends, then becoming kinky friends


I liked what how JeffBC described the target market. Basically Darwin screwed it all up by explaining to us, for the first time, that men have EVOLVED to want sex, sex, and more sex, with as many women as they can get, while women likewise, have EVOLVED into wanting to build that one true relationship which provides for their needs, and, lest we forget, the needs of her children, who she will defend with her life.

Anyone here hoping to reverse four billion years of evolution is doomed to be disappointed in the results - which is why I think there is this seething discontent.

< Message edited by Longerthanyou -- 12/29/2012 6:36:27 PM >

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RE: Men hunt : women weed |Why it may be hard to find t... - 12/29/2012 6:38:29 PM   
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In searching for the right person I find difficult as I am looking for a serious relationship myself rather than something casual, sure I could meet any of those nearby who are contacting me however I want to be sure in him and also if he is what I want before going to meet him. Once I do meet face to face, I happen to see if he is everything his words have mentioned to me. There is also the little fact that I get many messages from those married men who don't happen to message right away that I'd be a secret. That is the other reason I choose to be careful to make sure myself and the person I choose to meet have the same intentions, I don't meet too many right away as I follow my instincts closely.

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