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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 7:00:17 AM   
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Feastie, why do I always end up siding with you?

You're a smart girl....  unfortunately, you're not a Domme, or I'd be a'humping your leg!

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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 7:03:48 AM   
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Once I come to the conclusion that I am at a dead end, I am not willing to waste so much as another hour of it....I can't imagine voluntarily throwing away years of it.


Or another 10 months of it.... sheesh

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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 7:04:33 AM   
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....For "your" Master to do things behind your back such as, emailing old gf's, or talking to other women?  
As a slave, is it really none of your business if he does that, and keeps it a secret? 
 



Frankly, nothing that my Master does is any of my business. I have a primary concern with how he and I relate. I can ask, I can enquire but I would not expect.

If you *know* that he's lied, if you have felt the need to read private emails etc...If you *know* he's GOING to lie.....then your issue is one of trust, not slavery.  Of course there's only your expression of the situation to comment on here.

Why did you choose to be a slave to him?
Why have you continued to be a slave to him?
What drives you to belong to this man?
Do you realise that you can also *choose* not to be owned?

On a slightly  different note, I vary from feastie.....I don't think that it's wrong to have secrets. If my Master has them.......... that's his decision and choice and one thing is for sure.....there would be a good enough reason for them to be so.

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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 7:10:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Calandra

quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin
Once I come to the conclusion that I am at a dead end, I am not willing to waste so much as another hour of it....I can't imagine voluntarily throwing away years of it.


Or another 10 months of it.... sheesh


10 months is a long time, yes.  But as someone who has stuck out a year in a marriage, once she's told her husband that she wants a divorce, because she needed time to find a job, etc., it can be done.  Roommates ain't a bad deal, if the two can be civil.

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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 7:12:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: feastie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Calandra

quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin
Once I come to the conclusion that I am at a dead end, I am not willing to waste so much as another hour of it....I can't imagine voluntarily throwing away years of it.


Or another 10 months of it.... sheesh


10 months is a long time, yes.  But as someone who has stuck out a year in a marriage, once she's told her husband that she wants a divorce, because she needed time to find a job, etc., it can be done.  Roommates ain't a bad deal, if the two can be civil.


i did the room mate thing with my ex for a bit, it was awful, but not nearly as bad as faking that i was happy with him.

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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 7:16:20 AM   
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10 months is a long time, yes.  But as someone who has stuck out a year in a marriage, once she's told her husband that she wants a divorce, because she needed time to find a job, etc., it can be done.  Roommates ain't a bad deal, if the two can be civil.


Exactly, which is why I asked in a previous post if she couldn't approach him and renegotiate the relationship to one of rommates only... even mentioned that the original problem in the OP would be solved...
 
but to just hand over 10 months with no more power in her life than she feels she has right now is insane in my book....

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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 7:19:07 AM   
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Im wondering the same thing....what the hell? Suck it up and stop internalizing and start shifting to a new paradigm hell. You've got ten months use this time to focus on you, (when not in service to him )work on your self image.

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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 7:43:55 AM   
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Mew,
Because you cared to share so much information, allow me to share some information with you. For reading purposes I am breaking your sentences down. Everything I write is in my opinion only. I do not write for others and others may not share my views. Just so we are clear on this. I am pretty straight forward, so please do not take offense at some of my views. They are, after all, MY views.  

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ORIGINAL: mew

Let me explain, briefly.  
 
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I came here to live with Master 6 yrs ago as his slave.   The first 6 months were great, then things rapidly went downhill. I have been celebate for 5 yrs now, because I am fat and he is no longer interested in me sexually.   

After the initial six months, you should of been gone. Being overweight has absolutely nothing to do with sex. He may not want you because you are "fat", but if you are celebate, it is because you have chosen to be, not because you are "fat". I am overweight, if my partner doesnt find me attractive, he is kicked to the curb. I will find one that does find me attractive and trust me there are plenty of men who love overweight women.

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He has many ex g/f's, and seems to not be able to let go of them.  Periodically all of them have contacted him, usually via email, and wanted to see him.  He has told me about it most of the time, and I usually get very upset.  


Why would you get upset? I can see why you would have in the beginning of your relationship, but why now? Based on what you have said, I view your relationship with him as a roommate situation.
 
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 There was a time a few yrs ago when I was so distraught due to his lying to me, that I did go through his email.  I found things that I wish I had never read.  Things he said to them that were very negative about me, and hurtful.    I would comfront him, he would get angry with me, tell me it was none of my business, etc. 

 
Yet, once again, you chose to stay with him. Even though you had read such hurtful things he had to say about you? Pandora's box comes to mind here.

 
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Last week another g/f emailed him, ( he told me about it) and wanted to come to our house for a visit, as she was coming to the area on business.   I told him I was uncomfortable with it, and would rather she not come.  He once again got angry, accusing me of being overly jealous, blah, blah, blah.  Things escelated to the point of me telling him I was leaving. 

 
After 5 years of non-service to this person, after finding out his true feelings about you (reading his emails/letters) you still get upset over what he does. Amazing.

 
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I am a full time college student, and have only 10 months to go before I graduate.  Due to the importance of my education, I decided to stay and try and stick it out for 10 more months. 

 
B I N G O! Here is the real reason you stay. I am going to guess here that you do not work? So he is supporting you through collage? Assuming this, I will say, there is no such thing as a free ride, there is ALWAYS a price for everything. Your price is putting up with someone who clearly (Based on your post) does not have any feelings for you. He has told you over and over again that he doesnt simply by treating you the way he does. By the way, how do you treat him?
 
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   The ex g/f emailed us both and said that she was going to decline his invitation to visit because she did not want to get in the middle, and realized it made me uncomfortable. 

 
How did she know that it made you uncomfortable and why would she email you as well? This is where I think you read his email. I think he told her that you were jealous (Let's call it what it is, you arent uncomfortable, you are just plain jealous) and she decided, wisely I might add, that she didnt want to step in this particular hornets nest.   
 
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Of course he is disappointed.   I have NOT snooped in his stuff, but my gut instinct ( call it women's intuition) tells me that he emailed her last night, and that they are planning to meet anyway while she is here behind my back.   ( I have to do clinical rotations at the hospital and won't be home)

 
Behind your back? Left without options from you, of course he is going to meet her "behind your back".  You could of left things alone, and they would of visited at your home in front of you, but you didnt and now he is going to do what he wants to do. Imagine that? He told you he wanted to meet with her. He was honest with you. How honest are you with him? I believe in womens intuition, but such details as you think "he emailed her last night"? That is pretty vivid.

 
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I have no proof of this, I just know my gut is not wrong.  If I ask him about this, he will lie to me, ( he has done it before), and then tell me I am accusing him of doing things he is not doing.  


He told you he wanted to meet her. How is that lying? Did he email her and arrange a meeting? I have no idea, you seem to think he did. Why would he lie to you about it? From your post, you said he tells you about his ex's emailing him and his talking to them.

 
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So, I was just wondering if it is appropriate, or as a slave, is it really none of my business if he meets her behind my back, even though he knows it will upset me. 
( he believes that what I don't know, won't hurt me, so he purposefully does not tell me stuff to avoid an argument)

 
You have said you have not been his slave for 5 years, nor have you had any sexual relations with him and as there is no mention of any kind of romance, then you are simply his roommate and as such, you have nothing to argue over. You may be upset and jealous, and only you know the reasons for that, but he is a free man to do what he wants to. You sound like you are only staying til you finish school, so suck it up, and live with your choices. Sounds like you both are getting something out of this relationship.

 
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If as one of you stated, I am just a piece of property and not supposed to have any feelings, then I guess being a slave is not for me.   I haven't been living a slave life anyway for 5 yrs now.

 
Who said you are not supposed to have any feelings? Slaves feel as much emotions as anyone else, they are human. You are human. But I dont understand the emotional attachment to this person who has hurt and lied to you. You sound more like a jealous wife than you do a slave or a roommate. I would never have a slave or a husband living in my house that I had no use for anymore. That is just me. Good luck to you. I really hope things work out for you.
 


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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 7:50:30 AM   
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Very well put MistressofGa

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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 8:35:49 AM   
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~fast reply~
 
I guess I should have known that I would be flamed and blasted for my post.
 
Yes I am whining and complaining.  Yes I am jealous. Yes it is all MY fault that he is doing this.  Yes it is MY fault that I am lied too, and disrespected.  Yes it is MY fault that I am still here.  Yes it is MY fault that I chose to get an education here. 
 
I will suck it up and live with my choices.  I will NEVER again give myself to another MAN or MASTER.   If this is what a slave is, I am NO LONGER one.
 
Let this thread go away and die.
~mew~

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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 8:38:13 AM   
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What a mature response.  Wow.

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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 8:41:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mew

~fast reply~
 
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I guess I should have known that I would be flamed and blasted for my post.


I dont see anyone flaming you. 
 
quote:

Yes I am whining and complaining.  Yes I am jealous. Yes it is all MY fault that he is doing this.  Yes it is MY fault that I am lied too, and disrespected.  Yes it is MY fault that I am still here.  Yes it is MY fault that I chose to get an education here. 
 

 
Yes it is. You have choices, you choose to do all of the above.

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I will suck it up and live with my choices.  I will NEVER again give myself to another MAN or MASTER.   If this is what a slave is, I am NO LONGER one.

 
This is NOT what a slave is.

 
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Let this thread go away and die.

 
Because you didnt get the validation that you were seeking? We all have our own views and the second you hit send on your post, you opened yourself up to read our views.

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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 8:42:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mew

~fast reply~
 
I guess I should have known that I would be flamed and blasted for my post.
 
Yes I am whining and complaining.  Yes I am jealous. Yes it is all MY fault that he is doing this.  Yes it is MY fault that I am lied too, and disrespected.  Yes it is MY fault that I am still here.  Yes it is MY fault that I chose to get an education here. 
 
I will suck it up and live with my choices.  I will NEVER again give myself to another MAN or MASTER.   If this is what a slave is, I am NO LONGER one.
 
Let this thread go away and die.
~mew~


Noone flamed or blasted you, they were all very courteous, they just didn't tell you what you wanted to hear..........(my opinion only, of course)

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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 8:54:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mew

~fast reply~
 
I guess I should have known that I would be flamed and blasted for my post.
 
Yes I am whining and complaining.  Yes I am jealous. Yes it is all MY fault that he is doing this.  Yes it is MY fault that I am lied too, and disrespected.  Yes it is MY fault that I am still here.  Yes it is MY fault that I chose to get an education here. 
 
I will suck it up and live with my choices.  I will NEVER again give myself to another MAN or MASTER.   If this is what a slave is, I am NO LONGER one.
 
Let this thread go away and die.
~mew~


You haven't been flamed.  Flaming you would be telling you that you're stupid or something.  No one has attacked you. 

Yes, you are whining and complaining.  No, it's not your fault (that we know of) that he's doing this to you.  The fact is, however, that you do allow it.  If he hasn't touched you since the 6th month of your 6 year relationship and it's not the situation you expected or enjoy, yet you are still there, it is your fault.  You did choose to get your education there, so you must live with that choice and the consequences of it.

Never is a strong word.  I think, once you've realized the wisdom in some of these posts, you'd do well to choose more carefully next time.

No one is wishing you ill, I think actually, that everyone is behind you. 

If you stop allowing it to matter to you, then it won't matter and it won't bother you.
It's a choice.

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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 9:01:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mew

~fast reply~
 
I guess I should have known that I would be flamed and blasted for my post.
 
Yes I am whining and complaining.  Yes I am jealous. Yes it is all MY fault that he is doing this.  Yes it is MY fault that I am lied too, and disrespected.  Yes it is MY fault that I am still here.  Yes it is MY fault that I chose to get an education here. 
 
I will suck it up and live with my choices.  I will NEVER again give myself to another MAN or MASTER.   If this is what a slave is, I am NO LONGER one.
 
Let this thread go away and die.
~mew~


 For many people it really isn't what a slave is.

You can think of it as a situation you just aren't thriving in.

Putting up with things CAN be part of it......... If you view it as a cost/benefit exercise........ sometimes things become a lot clearer.

The reply posts haven't been inflamatory , now have they?

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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 9:02:13 AM   
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i don't think there's really much i can add that hasn't been spoken about already, but i did want to add that i don't think anyone really flamed you, but just didn't agree with the choices you've made, or possibly even the ones that your master has made.  Personally, if i had a master still in contact with old girl friends, i would think it speaks well of him.  How many relationships do we have over the years that end well enough to remain friends rather than in anger or worse.  Of course, i'd also make sure i was around during their meetings, making sure everyone understood that i was the "slave" in residence, and that i loved him very much.  Unfortunately that isn't how things are in your house, but it's what i'd like to think i'd have done in the past.  If you're determined to stay for the next 10 months, maybe you can use that time to work on your relationship, not as master/slave, but just as friends and/or roommates.  If that fails, perhaps try to concentrate on the good in your life and what the future holds in store for you both. 

i wish you both luck...

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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 9:03:43 AM   
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....For "your" Master to do things behind your back such as, emailing old gf's, or talking to other women?  
As a slave, is it really none of your business if he does that, and keeps it a secret? 
 



While technically, under the strictest rules of slavery, it wouldn't be any of your business, this is a completely different environment than the non-consentual environment in which a statement like this might actually have some weight.

The reality of consentual slavery is that you are -agreeing- to submit to this man, and it is only with your agreement that he would be able to say "who I talk to is none of your business" -- and if that were true, there would be no need to keep it a secret. He should be able to do it in front of you, and tell you "this is none of your business", and that would suffice, since it was what you had agreed to in advance.

If you haven't agreed to this, on the other hand, (and his sneaking around tends to make me think that you haven't), then it may very well be time to re-negotiate the terms of your surrender. If you are uncomfortable in the situation, you need to talk to him about it. If he tells you that it is none of your business, remind him that you did not agree to that when you accepted the collar. If he refuses to discuss the matter with you and work towards an equitable understanding of the terms of your surrender, and you are unwilling to accept the terms as they stand, then it seems to me that it is pretty clear what you need to do.

The one thing you probably shouldn't do, at this point, is just let this go -- you need to either accept that this was part of the terms of your surrender, or bring it to his attention that it -wasn't- and that the terms need to be clarified.

Just to let you know how things go in another long-term working D/s household, here, even if a servant -did- come in with an agreement that who we talked to, communicated with, or socialized with was none of their concern (which they all do, because of the nature of our household), if a servant was having difficulty with this, we would expect that he or she would come and talk to us. It might not change anything, but we would discuss the matter until either 1. s/he was comfortable with remaining and understanding those terms of the contract OR 2. we or s/he decided that s/he wasn't going to be able to handle that, and therefore, wasn't going to survive in a healthy frame of mind in our household. In neither case would it be a -punishment- to uphold the contract -- the fact is, in our household it would be impossible to cater to a servant who -couldn't- handle having us openly in relationships with others, so dealing with the problem is mandatory, and the resolution would be meant not to punish, but to make sure that the servant remained healthy, even if it wasn't with us.

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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 9:06:36 AM   
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First things first.  Your "relationship" should have ended 5 years ago, if what you outlined is the case - right when the two of you realized that you weren't what he was looking for, due to weight or whatever other issues yall may have.

I don't find it as amazing as MoGa that you stayed with him - it's never easy to walk away from someone that we love, even if we're being abused by them.  I should know, since I Chose to stay with a man for nearly 2 years at one point in my life who did things very similar to what you're talking about.  I Wanted to believe him, when he kept telling me that we would "work things out" or that things would "change" and he would cease certain behaviors, so I stayed.  I had given my word not to be the one who walked away and refused to work on things, so I stayed.  I felt trapped by circumstances, so I stayed.  In the end, it wasn't me who walked away from the relationship - he did, to move in unanncounced with his next victim - and to this day I can't say whether I would finally have gotten to the point of walking away, even though I had attempted to do so twice at various times, and had tried (and been manipulated out of) kicking him out of my home.  I've changed a bit since then, and know that I wouldn't repeat the same sort of thing NOW - but that has taken significant growth on my part, including spending a lot of time getting rid of self esteem issues that were a direct result of staying in that relationship.

You say now that you will never again allow yourself to be put in such a situation.  And that IS a good first step.  Do not, however, allow yourself to fall into the trap of mistakenly thinking that all men are like that.  Or that all dominants are like that.  Or that all relationships go bad, suffer from trust issues, or involve deceit and secrets on some level.

I don't even particularly agree with the general consensus of "Suck it up since you chose this."  I Do, however, agree with the suggestion given by feastie that you renegotiate your relationship with him (long LONG overdue) and come to an equitable agreement about acknowledging each other as Just Roommates.  It won't be a particularly comfortable position - but then, with what you've described, it won't really be any different than what you've been living for the past several years except that it Might give you the feeling of freedom from this long standing situation to quit feeling like you're trapped.  And it will certainly allow you to stop Expecting things that you have learned over time aren't going to happen anyway.

(Oh - and one last thing.  Despite what he or anyone ELSE might try to tell you - it is never our fault when someone else lies to us!  Just as you have chosen to stay there, for your various reasons - he CHOSE to lie when he didn't have to do so, and that says something about HIS character - not about you.  Just keep in mind that it's a two way street - and if you've ever lied to him, the same thing applies! )


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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 9:16:10 AM   
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Hizgeorgiapeach,
Excellent post! Very valid points. I must comment on this statement though <s>

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I don't even particularly agree with the general consensus of "Suck it up since you chose this." 

 
When I said that, I meant that if you are going to choose your lot in life, then live with it, or dont. I will use Erin's sig line: "When you make a habit of playing on the tracks, you thereby forfeit the right to bitch when you get hit by a train." This says all I meant by my above statement. Bless you Erin for having that statement, I have seen several use it as examples <grin>

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RE: Is it appropiate..... - 6/18/2006 9:16:33 AM   
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Who said you are not supposed to have any feelings? Slaves feel as much emotions as anyone else, they are human. You are human. But I dont understand the emotional attachment to this person who has hurt and lied to you. You sound more like a jealous wife than you do a slave or a roommate. I would never have a slave or a husband living in my house that I had no use for anymore. That is just me. Good luck to you. I really hope things work out for you.
 


Wow... I wish I'd read the entirety of this before I'd posted -- it certainly gives a completely different perspective on the whole situation -- though I suppose that what I said still nominally applies...

This, however, I did have to respond to. It is -exactly- this way in our household. We do not keep servants under our roof who are clearly a poor fit -- and it isn't just for the good of our household, either. Staying in a situation where a person is clearly unsuited is unhealthy for that person, too, and negatively impacts his or her self-perception, as well as promoting an internalization of "victimhood".

To mew -- After reading the full details of your situation, I would like to add the following: you are not a victim. You have made choices that have left you unhappy, but you are the one who continued to make those choices. At the same time, this man has made his feelings clear, and you are clearly not a girlfriend, slave or lover of his, and with that in mind, it seems like he has made choices as well -- choices to continue relationships that -are- satisfying for him... it has -nothing- to do with slavery. You are not a slave, except, perhaps, in that you enslave yourself to rationalizing your irrational choices. There must be more satisfying options, even if you do have to stay in the area for 10 months, that will not continue to diminish your self-respect by staying in a situation where your satisfaction is not even on the discussion boards, much less being a priority.

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