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RE: ... - 12/31/2012 5:45:14 AM   
LaTigresse


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I conclude that it is not 'them', it is you.


Rightio, so feminists can be sexist and if I complain about it, it's "me".

Comedy gold





Bless your heart.

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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 6:14:50 AM   
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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 11:17:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		This thread is now in Politics & Religion, where we are more strict about not making the poster the topic. If you are unable to abide by this, I suggest you stay out of this thread.

Moving forward, I expect the discussion to stay on topic, which is: slut shaming vs virgin shaming.

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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 11:38:24 AM   
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What I find amusing is that the women who have posted here have long term relationships with men.

Its not whining to raise the issue of sexism when its brought up.

It IS whining when it comes up in every post someone makes, or as the topic of every thread someone starts.

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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 11:48:20 AM   
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The problem, as I see it, with feminism and any other 'give me equality' political and societal action, is that it is rarely equal or equality driven. It ends up being "We've been victimized forever and now we deserve special treatment because we exist." action.


I don't really have "advice" or profound thoughts....but this made me want to stand up at my desk and cheer.

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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 11:50:21 AM   
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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 12:15:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
Personally, I think the whining the OP is doing, and what he is basing it on, is based almost solely on his internet trolling.
I am, in the most pure sense of the word, a feminist. The problem, as I see it, with feminism and any other 'give me equality' political and societal action, is that it is rarely equal or equality driven. It ends up being "We've been victimized forever and now we deserve special treatment because we exist." action. Which I do not believe in.


This is exactly the same bullshit I hate about equality/equal rights activism. It is almost never about equal rights. I'm not so sure I can be a feminist, but I'm a staunch racist - a human racist.

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Men are not 'better' anything simply because they are men. Women are not 'better' anything, simply because they are women. NO ONE is better anything, by shear existence.
More and more I see a mindset of "I deserve respect!" based solely upon existence. It's bullshit. You want respect, equality, whatever else, behave in a manner that earns/deserves it. Then I will be right there beside you, fighting for you to have the right to own that shit. But until then, get the fuck outta my way and quit your god damned whining.
As for the slut and virgin shit........well yanno, what I see as deserving respect has nothing at all to do with what a person does, or does not do, in their bedroom. Moreso how they represent it and conduct themselves otherwise.


What's really funny was when I started in this lifestyle just over a year ago, one of my very first lessons was that "slut" was not a derogatory term!

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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 12:25:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Slut is not a derogatory term.

The best definition I have seen for that term is.... a woman with the moral's of a man.

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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 1:16:37 PM   
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Slut is not a derogatory term.
The best definition I have seen for that term is.... a woman with the moral's of a man.


LMAO!!

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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 3:04:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Slut is not a derogatory term.

The best definition I have seen for that term is.... a woman with the moral's of a man.


Chaucer used in it Canterbury Tales and it refered to a man. 

ETA:

I do not consider "virgin" to be a derogatory term.  I have also not heard any of MY friends shame another for being a virgin. 

< Message edited by Aylee -- 12/31/2012 3:06:13 PM >

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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 3:07:54 PM   
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So why is it that slut shaming is a no no but virgin shaming is all so great and acceptable?

Neck/shoulder pain is currently absorbing all my available masochism, so I don't have it in me to read the whole thread.

But I confess an odd curiosity as to what "virgin shaming" might be.

Can anyone take pity on an aching, aging guy and clue me in?

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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 3:24:48 PM   
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So why is it that slut shaming is a no no but virgin shaming is all so great and acceptable?

Neck/shoulder pain is currently absorbing all my available masochism, so I don't have it in me to read the whole thread.

But I confess an odd curiosity as to what "virgin shaming" might be.

Can anyone take pity on an aching, aging guy and clue me in?


Reading through the thread it is apparently when a female tells a male that the reason he has issues with women is because he cannot get laid. 

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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 4:02:33 PM   
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So why is it that slut shaming is a no no but virgin shaming is all so great and acceptable?

Neck/shoulder pain is currently absorbing all my available masochism, so I don't have it in me to read the whole thread.
But I confess an odd curiosity as to what "virgin shaming" might be.
Can anyone take pity on an aching, aging guy and clue me in?


"Virgin shaming" is when someone is thought less of because he/she is still a virgin. It's usually not as derogatory if the person has chosen to remain a virgin than if that person is a virgin because he/she can't attract someone to fuck them. It's more of a knock on a man's machismo, than a knock on a girl.



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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 4:54:44 PM   
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Reading through the thread it is apparently when a female tells a male that the reason he has issues with women is because he cannot get laid.


Here's a better way to say it: It's when a male expresses the wrong things women and/or feminists do. There are 3 types of people who use this ad hominem to divert away from the focus of the truth.


1. The people who are guilty of the things being talked about.

2. The women who have the sisterhood mentality.

3. The gynocentric men who want to play whiteknight.

Me complaining about patriarchy blaming, wage gap lies, DV bias, manipulated rape/dv stats, disparity in men's health funding, meal ticket beggars in dating, women with chauvinist mentalities, and so forth, has nothing to do with when was the last time I got laid or if I have been laid.

It's just that these types of people who say this obviously think men aren't worthy or valuable enough to have an opinion that's not a gynocentric female favoured point of view.

You are free to think different all you like. I know the truth.

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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 5:32:32 PM   
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I'm not a virgin thank goodness lol.

But my point is that a lot of the time when a male get's in a debate with feminists or just simply expresses what he disagrees with in regards of feminism, many feminists will be quick to use the "you can't get laid" card. But on the other hand, they are dead against "slut shaming" as it's trying to intimidate a woman by using her sex life against her.

So why is it that slut shaming is a no no but virgin shaming is all so great and acceptable? Could it be solely because men are far more likely than women to not be able to get sex so society doesn't care about the shaming problem in this area, while on the other hand, women are far more likely to achieve a slut status compared to men so therefore there is more sensitivity towards it?

Ya know, if it's only a male problem, what about teh menz.


I'm a virgin...and I have no clue what "teh menz" means.

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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 5:43:12 PM   
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Copy this exactly how I say it and do a google search.

what about teh menz

The misspelling is made on purpose.

This is a very popular phrase used within the feminist movement. It's used as sarcasm when a male issue is raised. In other words, they are admitting that they don't get a flying fuck about men. At least some feminists are honest.


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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 6:12:09 PM   
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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 7:06:37 PM   
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You are free to think different all you like. I know the truth.


All that says to me is "It doesn't matter what you say to me, I'm not going to change my view. So why bother?"

So, I won't bother.

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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 7:25:15 PM   
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But my point is that a lot of the time when a male get's in a debate with feminists or just simply expresses what he disagrees with in regards of feminism, many feminists will be quick to use the "you can't get laid" card. But on the other hand, they are dead against "slut shaming" as it's trying to intimidate a woman by using her sex life against her.

So why is it that slut shaming is a no no but virgin shaming is all so great and acceptable? Could it be solely because...


I don't think that's the issue. I think whether or not it's socially ok depends on whether or not it's a valid criticism. Brittney Spears and Lindsay Lohan (to name a couple) have undergone quite a bit of slut shaming without many standing up for them.

However, when it came to Sandra Fluke there was an overwhelming outcry against the ad hominem because her only actual sin was to point out a reality that's inconvenient for the religious right.

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RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, vir... - 12/31/2012 7:32:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81
This is a very popular phrase used within the feminist movement. It's used as sarcasm when a male issue is raised. In other words, they are admitting that they don't get a flying fuck about men. At least some feminists are honest.


Please cite your source as I'm skeptical that you have any idea how the average feminist thinks.

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