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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder
People get married and they expect the fairytale...even men. It doesn't work that way.

of course, its a two way street but a couple needs to make time for each other or its not gonna last.. if they cant do that then the relationship is doomed.. Not all men expect the wife to take care of the kids, just cuz yours did that, doesnt mean all men are like that.. some men do want to do more with their kids but the wife pushes them aside.. but all that really should be discussed before they have kids.. but it rarely ever is, so then the wifes complain about the guy and the hubbys complain about the girl they married.. blaming each other still doesnt solve the problem..

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

That's not what i said. What i said is that many men come home from their jobs.They are just as tired as his wife so of course, he comes home and wants a little attention from his wife and just wants to sit down and rest for a bit. But a wife's job never stops. She wants to sit down and rest for a little while too but she's still busy preparing dinner and making sure the kids don't kill each other. It's neither one's faults. It's simply part of both being exhausted from a long day. It's not always easy to remember that both need to make time for each other. Life has a way of doing that. Life gets so busy you stop making time for each other, not because you don't want to but there's just too much to do. Who has the time? Sometimes though both parties just need to be reminded that they both need a break to be with each other.

I admit, Master and I are guilty of it as well. We both get caught up in everyday life until one of us realizes what is happening and we usually make a "playdate", meaning we'll plan an outing or something fun to do together. Sometimes it takes a friend to say "hey dude, when was the last time you asked her if you could do something for her or just took over the dinner and kids so she could sit down? Or even just brought her a daisy home you picked outside?" I have friends who complain about their husband or wife not doing things and this is usually when I hit them upside the head with this.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I read on another forum, recently, that women view men pretty much like people view dogs. That is, that men are big, smelly, rough and simple.

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

I don't think women know how they see men. Think about the early days of feminism before people understood the invisible cultural traps.

Yup, it's my impression that the vast majority of women think that men are defective women. I don't think it's their fault. I think they are caught in a society which tells them this.

It was fascinating to read a recent thread where some mothers were horrified at the lessons their sons were learning in school at very early ages... "You're not as smart as girls." "You're not as couth as girls", etc.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I read on another forum, recently, that women view men pretty much like people view dogs. That is, that men are big, smelly, rough and simple.

Is this correct? Seriously, I sometimes look at women and think, 'How do you see us? If we men see you women as kind of squealy, twittery and prim, do you see we men as like large, coarse and a bit less than human?'

OK, the bottom line is: I *know* how I see females. But, really, I haven't a frigging clue how females see me, or see men in general.

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Just because you have the money to do so before the kids come along doesn't guarantee the job will be there ten years down the time. Or that you won't have a handicapped child who needs a hell of a lot more attention than even normal kids do.

Or that you won't develop a chronic disorder which saps your energy. Or that your husband won't get hit by a bus.

There are no guarantees. All you can do is roll with it the best you can, and then get up, dust yourself off and try something else.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
OK, the bottom line is: I *know* how I see females. But, really, I haven't a frigging clue how females see me, or see men in general.

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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
OK, the bottom line is: I *know* how I see females. But, really, I haven't a frigging clue how females see me, or see men in general.

I'm curious how you see men in general.

Pam

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I read on another forum, recently, that women view men pretty much like people view dogs. That is, that men are big, smelly, rough and simple.

Is this correct? Seriously, I sometimes look at women and think, 'How do you see us? If we men see you women as kind of squealy, twittery and prim, do you see we men as like large, coarse and a bit less than human?'

OK, the bottom line is: I *know* how I see females. But, really, I haven't a frigging clue how females see me, or see men in general.

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum


Are you really that naive??? suppose you read the world was coming to a end in dec 2012...

Anyway I dont pretend to have a clue as to what women think. What I do know is that each one of them is different so to ask a question such as yours is bizarre.

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ORIGINAL: wiremen
I find it really sad that this notion ever arose.

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ORIGINAL: dollenburg

Actually, men are wolves.

Same canine family though.