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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I read on another forum, recently, that women view men pretty much like people view dogs. That is, that men are big, smelly, rough and simple.

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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

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ORIGINAL: lilmissdefiant
"All I wanted was for him to be proud and happy. He chewed me up and spat me out then threw me away like a piece of trash.

I'm sorry that that happened to you. But does that mean you think most men would do the same, or that most women are different?

Pam

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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

One thing that surprised me about my child "rearing thread" is that no men answered. So, I guess men don't see themselves as child rearers. I thought that was interesting.

Pam

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ORIGINAL: lilmissdefiant
Because of that experience I am definitely more guarded.

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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43
An interesting conclusion to base on a really poor sample?
A link to the thread might help understand the response, or lack of.

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ORIGINAL: ARIES83

Keep healing little miss, if keeping better reigns
on those runaway horses you call emotions is
the result of this bad experience, then maybe it
wasn't a complete loss.

It's a shame when I see the soft become harder,
inevitable consequence of experiencing life in all
it's indifference I'm afraid. But, the mark of a
survivor.

In some men, probably a lot of men, there is a
desire to become harder, to become desensitised,
to conqure the fear and doubt and hurt and to
make themselves strong, unafraid and confidant...
As far as being hurt... I'm not sure what most
men feel, but I can tell you that becoming harder
does have it's price in some ways, I feel very
little, hurt least of all, nor scared, nor unsure of
myself...

The price is to Feel, less.
A price I think some men aspire to pay, but one I
think women pay only out of unfortunate necessity.

So I wish you the best of luck little miss, and that
you find the man that will make you feel happy
instead of hurt.

-Aries

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I read on another forum, recently, that women view men pretty much like people view dogs. That is, that men are big, smelly, rough and simple.

Is this correct? Seriously, I sometimes look at women and think, 'How do you see us? If we men see you women as kind of squealy, twittery and prim, do you see we men as like large, coarse and a bit less than human?'

OK, the bottom line is: I *know* how I see females. But, really, I haven't a frigging clue how females see me, or see men in general.

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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43
An interesting conclusion to base on a really poor sample?
A link to the thread might help understand the response, or lack of.

Is child rearing an act of masochism, in Off Topic:
www.collarchat.com/m_4321782/tm.htm

Pam

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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

One thing that surprised me about my child "rearing thread" is that no men answered. So, I guess men don't see themselves as child rearers. I thought that was interesting.

Pam

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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43
An interesting conclusion to base on a really poor sample?
A link to the thread might help understand the response, or lack of.

Is child rearing an act of masochism, in Off Topic:
www.collarchat.com/m_4321782/tm.htm

Pam

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I love dogs, I love men...but* and this IS tongue in cheek* A lot of it comes down to who their owners have been.

Could always own a bear???

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
As for the cliche "men are dogs"

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: UnholyBear

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I love dogs, I love men...but* and this IS tongue in cheek* A lot of it comes down to who their owners have been.

Could always own a bear???

is that an offer sweetstuff? grins

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

That's not what i said. What i said is that many men come home from their jobs.They are just as tired as his wife so of course, he comes home and wants a little attention from his wife and just wants to sit down and rest for a bit. But a wife's job never stops. She wants to sit down and rest for a little while too but she's still busy preparing dinner and making sure the kids don't kill each other. It's neither one's faults. It's simply part of both being exhausted from a long day. It's not always easy to remember that both need to make time for each other. Life has a way of doing that. Life gets so busy you stop making time for each other, not because you don't want to but there's just too much to do. Who has the time? Sometimes though both parties just need to be reminded that they both need a break to be with each other.

I admit, Master and I are guilty of it as well. We both get caught up in everyday life until one of us realizes what is happening and we usually make a "playdate", meaning we'll plan an outing or something fun to do together. Sometimes it takes a friend to say "hey dude, when was the last time you asked her if you could do something for her or just took over the dinner and kids so she could sit down? Or even just brought her a daisy home you picked outside?" I have friends who complain about their husband or wife not doing things and this is usually when I hit them upside the head with this.

I know what you are saying, but the time to talk about it, negotiate who does what and when, etc is before you have kids, and before you get married.. I am under the impression that you and he dont live together so if that is correct, you get time away from each other and time to do other things.. so in theory at least, when you are together its cuz you want to be, not cuz you have to be..

Quite frankly, I dont want the life you describe of being married with kids (or the life my mother had which was a lot harder than yours- she had 2 jobs & us kids), which is why i wont have kids if i dont have the money to hire a nanny so I can have a life and enough energy to enjoy the kids.. and enjoy any man in my life.. Even if the guy wanted to stay home and be a house hubby (which I would be open to since i am not the diaper changing housewifey type), I would still want someone there at least part-time so we can have time together & to give him time off from the kidlets.. If I dont have the money for that then kids are a no-go for me..