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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 8:22:14 PM   
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Hill, may I suggest you use the following statement instead of a direct attack, which seems to be the problem.

Anyone that holds that opinion should bend over and insert his or her head into their anal orifice so that their brain can have direct communication with their mouth.

You is not used, therefore it is not a direct attack.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 8:28:19 PM   
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What happened? I missed it. I was posting in this thread maybe the one I think yalls are speaking of and then it was gone. Granted I havent been there in days and I am curious as to the turns it took. My last posting there it was at quite a few pages and it was an interesting thread, it really was.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 8:29:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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Now that we're all on the same page, I predict this thread will go POOF as well.

at least you got to get it off your chest

Some folks think I have a chip on my shoulder.
Fuck the chip, I have the whole damn tree.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 8:52:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: heartcream

What happened? I missed it. I was posting in this thread maybe the one I think yalls are speaking of and then it was gone. Granted I havent been there in days and I am curious as to the turns it took. My last posting there it was at quite a few pages and it was an interesting thread, it really was.

It got to 16 pages and was very interesting until one rather bizarro post, but kept on going and then POOF.



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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 8:58:14 PM   
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"The Decline of Collarme" thread is gone.

We DARED be critical of the site moderation.

< Message edited by Hillwilliam -- 1/3/2013 8:59:16 PM >


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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 9:07:53 PM   
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I personally don't have a dog in this fight, because I don't have an "issue" with moderation/the way this site is being moderated/nor the owners these days.

I want to ask you/and anyone else in collarme "angst" these days,

What do you want done about the moderation {problems} you speak of?

What are you trying to accomplish?

I am fairly sure those that need to know are aware of how you feel, is there something you want done?

IF NOTHING is done, than ----> Is there some sort of time limit, or will you be here 6 months from now/next year/4 years from now/i.e. FOREVER/ typing the same sorts of things?

Thanks in advance


< Message edited by Marini -- 1/3/2013 9:09:38 PM >


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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 9:09:33 PM   
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~FR~

"Now you all sit in that corner and think about what you have done!"

so here we all are in a multi cornered room scratching our heads and causing a blizzard of dandruff.

And here was I thinking 4 letter words were banned when the REALLY bad ones only have 3.

I guess I love you will soon me gold letter worthy too.

Shame i was on page 14 of that thread and having me a damn good read! it does seem highly suspect that instead of simply removing the offending posts they just poofed the whole thread. that is a worrying state of affairs considering the subject of it. So who polices the police?

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 9:12:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Dear Mods. Dont say "Talk to Alpha" I'm still waiting for the answer to an email I sent 09/09/2012.

ED to look at sent and unread and get a date.


My bad, I will go back,read that mail and answer you tonight.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 9:14:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

I personally don't have a dog in this fight, because I don't have an "issue" with moderation/the way this site is being moderated/nor the owners these days.

I want to ask you/and anyone else in collarme "angst" these days,

What do you want done about the moderation {problems} you speak of?

What are you trying to accomplish?

I am fairly sure those that need to know are aware of how you feel, is there something you want done?

IF NOTHING is done, than ----> Is there some sort of time limit, or will you be here 6 months from now/next year/4 years from now/i.e. FOREVER/ typing the same sorts of things?

Thanks in advance


I want what I have wanted for years.

Enforce the rules AS THEY ARE WRITTEN.

No more and no less.

Don't make up shit as you go along.

No Calvinball.

Some folks need to remember. "Just because a complaint is made doesn't mean a rule was broken. Some people are just whiny bitches."

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 9:15:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Why was the thread pulled?

Because a 'moderator' made a fool of themself?

The thread will be back after I have had a chance to go over it. I am the one that pulled it. I have not had a chance to read the last two pages, but am trying to do that now, and will have it back when I can.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 9:18:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini

I personally don't have a dog in this fight, because I don't have an "issue" with moderation/the way this site is being moderated/nor the owners these days.

I want to ask you/and anyone else in collarme "angst" these days,

What do you want done about the moderation {problems} you speak of?

What are you trying to accomplish?

I am fairly sure those that need to know are aware of how you feel, is there something you want done?

IF NOTHING is done, than ----> Is there some sort of time limit, or will you be here 6 months from now/next year/4 years from now/i.e. FOREVER/ typing the same sorts of things?

Thanks in advance


Ironically those questions were being discussed in the thread that went poof.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 9:18:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi

Alpha has already spoken on personal attacks:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4248463

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO ATTACK THE POST, NOT THE POSTER

Here is a good rule of thumb. Any statement that is made that is a “you” statement, that is derogatory in nature, is not going to be allowed.

President Abraham Lincoln was the most stupid president that existed in history because he believed the sky was blue. I’m surprised that he was able to put his pants on correctly in the morning with out help…..ACCEPTABLE.,

To generic collarmemember member. You are the most stupid person I have ever known because you believe the sky is blue. I’m surprised that you are able to put your pants on correctly…. UNACCEPTABLE

To generic collarme member: The idea that the sky is blue is laughable and ludicrous and stupid! Wow. I cant believe anyone believes that! ACCEPTABLE.

To generic collarme member: The idea that the sky is blue is laughable and ludicrous and stupid! Wow. I cant believe you believe that! UNACCEPTABLE.

I can only cover a little bit about the grey area that seems to confuse people, because it is on a case by case basis and is based in large part on INTENT,

If you are talking about an idea, etc. no matter whether, right, left, middle, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Tea Party, and whatever all the other terms, it is acceptable.

To say because YOU are any one of the above YOU are “derogatory comment” is not acceptable.

It is really hard to make a personal attack without using the term you.It’s not the only way to do it, and possible other ways, but is almost certain if it is used, and is derogatory in any manner. If in doubt, honestly, you can email a Collarme Team moderator and ask them if a particular statement would be viewed as a personal attack, and get an answer. My advice would be to carefully analyze any statement you are preparing to make that has the term “you” in it before clicking send. If you don’t, please don’t be surprised if you get a post pulled, and a note from one of us.

This 'rejected hall monitor' way of thinking is what will cause another mass exodus from CM


See, I didn't use the Y word.


And, since you didnt use the Y word, it stands....see how that works?? **trying to inject some levity here**


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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 9:20:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi

Alpha has already spoken on personal attacks:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4248463

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO ATTACK THE POST, NOT THE POSTER

Here is a good rule of thumb. Any statement that is made that is a “you” statement, that is derogatory in nature, is not going to be allowed.

President Abraham Lincoln was the most stupid president that existed in history because he believed the sky was blue. I’m surprised that he was able to put his pants on correctly in the morning with out help…..ACCEPTABLE.,

To generic collarmemember member. You are the most stupid person I have ever known because you believe the sky is blue. I’m surprised that you are able to put your pants on correctly…. UNACCEPTABLE

To generic collarme member: The idea that the sky is blue is laughable and ludicrous and stupid! Wow. I cant believe anyone believes that! ACCEPTABLE.

To generic collarme member: The idea that the sky is blue is laughable and ludicrous and stupid! Wow. I cant believe you believe that! UNACCEPTABLE.

I can only cover a little bit about the grey area that seems to confuse people, because it is on a case by case basis and is based in large part on INTENT,

If you are talking about an idea, etc. no matter whether, right, left, middle, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Tea Party, and whatever all the other terms, it is acceptable.

To say because YOU are any one of the above YOU are “derogatory comment” is not acceptable.

It is really hard to make a personal attack without using the term you.It’s not the only way to do it, and possible other ways, but is almost certain if it is used, and is derogatory in any manner. If in doubt, honestly, you can email a Collarme Team moderator and ask them if a particular statement would be viewed as a personal attack, and get an answer. My advice would be to carefully analyze any statement you are preparing to make that has the term “you” in it before clicking send. If you don’t, please don’t be surprised if you get a post pulled, and a note from one of us.

This 'rejected hall monitor' way of thinking is what will cause another mass exodus from CM


See, I didn't use the Y word.


And, since you didnt use the Y word, it stands....see how that works?? **trying to inject some levity here**



So would I be allowed to say "That man does an uncanny impersonation of an anal orifice!" ?


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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 9:24:36 PM   
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I have not read the thread in question, but HillWill is stating the case against himself: 5'1" is a quantifiable, discrete amount; "short" is an opinion, or qualification. Stating "damn, that's short" is a personal expression of an opinion, qualified beyond the actual interpretation of the facts, and off into editorial.

I don't mean to get offensive (on a website that contains frank discussion of ritual abuse and assfucking, nonetheless), but I must make an analogy that is adequate for the purpose: if a poster were to state, "I was raised a Jew," and HillWill was to retort, "damn, you're a kike," his post would, in fact, be accurate, and still be worthy of removal, if the opinions of the moderators are such that "we don't want to host a message board wherein users call each other kikes."

Pretty straightforward, really. What is gray? Whatever the mods think is gray. What's a reasonable person? Ask the bench.

To paraphrase the SCOTUS definition of obscenity: "I can't tell you that, but I know it when I see it."

Uh huh.

And it's the sort of thing that should make all of us (users and mods of THIS forum) horrified by laws that include an interpretation of words as harmful (see: hate speech and "cyberbullying," and the aforementioned obscenity). Because we could all fit those definitions, easily, depending on who is doing the defining.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 9:24:46 PM   
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At least Alpha is willing to make a good faith effort; not many mods on other boards would do that.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 9:25:33 PM   
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The thread is not poof. It will be back. CM moderation has been likened to several things, both good and bad. It is also (although not commonplace) to have threads pulled then put back when cleaned. My respectful question is this...what does it say about the MEMBERS that they assume that the thread is gone forever when in fact, it has reached 16 pages, that it would be pulled in totality for something that apparently occurred at the end? After all, it has been up for days with no modifications whatsoever. So my question is...is it a possibility that because of the emotions stirred up by some of the posts, that all are ready to assume the worst, when in fact, some of you have stated quite the opposite quite recently? Is a thread pulled immediately a cause for a battle cry in toto ready to put staff on a flaming pyre instead of realizing that SURELY, a whole thread that long would not poof, since that has not been the case in the past? Just an observation......**goes to clean that thread, then answer Hillwilliam .

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 9:28:26 PM   
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Having said that... I don't see what is so objectionable to bringing out the knives (butter, if not razor sharp serrated) on threads like the "my friend wants to feed me worms".... good fucking night, what a load....

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 9:28:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aedonix


quote:

ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi

Alpha has already spoken on personal attacks:

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4248463

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO ATTACK THE POST, NOT THE POSTER

Here is a good rule of thumb. Any statement that is made that is a “you” statement, that is derogatory in nature, is not going to be allowed.

President Abraham Lincoln was the most stupid president that existed in history because he believed the sky was blue. I’m surprised that he was able to put his pants on correctly in the morning with out help…..ACCEPTABLE.,

To generic collarmemember member. You are the most stupid person I have ever known because you believe the sky is blue. I’m surprised that you are able to put your pants on correctly…. UNACCEPTABLE

To generic collarme member: The idea that the sky is blue is laughable and ludicrous and stupid! Wow. I cant believe anyone believes that! ACCEPTABLE.

To generic collarme member: The idea that the sky is blue is laughable and ludicrous and stupid! Wow. I cant believe you believe that! UNACCEPTABLE.

I can only cover a little bit about the grey area that seems to confuse people, because it is on a case by case basis and is based in large part on INTENT,

If you are talking about an idea, etc. no matter whether, right, left, middle, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Tea Party, and whatever all the other terms, it is acceptable.

To say because YOU are any one of the above YOU are “derogatory comment” is not acceptable.

It is really hard to make a personal attack without using the term you.It’s not the only way to do it, and possible other ways, but is almost certain if it is used, and is derogatory in any manner. If in doubt, honestly, you can email a Collarme Team moderator and ask them if a particular statement would be viewed as a personal attack, and get an answer. My advice would be to carefully analyze any statement you are preparing to make that has the term “you” in it before clicking send. If you don’t, please don’t be surprised if you get a post pulled, and a note from one of us.

This 'rejected hall monitor' way of thinking is what will cause another mass exodus from CM


See, I didn't use the Y word.


And, since you didnt use the Y word, it stands....see how that works?? **trying to inject some levity here**



So would I be allowed to say "That man does an uncanny impersonation of an anal orifice!" ?



Nope. :"That man: is singular and is directed towards one person.
However one long diatribe about inserting something for communications between orifices or something fly, versus, "he has his head stuck up his ass" would not.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 9:28:58 PM   
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I have seen threads pulled then returned after being cleaned up, but most of the time, the thread is locked until the mods have enough time to figure out what was going on, and if any posters need moderated.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/3/2013 9:35:08 PM   
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Not sure what mod you think is back on their feet in the last few days, but there have been no moderators that have come back from leave or anything else.

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