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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 5:45:26 AM   
VideoAdminChi


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quote:

Some guy was short, Hill felt the need to point it
out, the mods felt this wasn't the place to point it
out... So what? on all counts.


He was using "short" as an example but what I actually removed his posts for was (as he stated in the other thread so I am not violating his privacy) "making another poster the topic after a moderator warning, personal attacks, and insulting the kinks of others."

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 5:48:01 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		But, that is only here on this site, you see in the formal philosophy ad hominems have two parts the attack, either abusive, circumstantial or tu quoque has to be made AND it cannot have a bearing on the discussion.

Only then is it a personal attack.  If it is factual and part of the reason of the view, it is not a personal attack, it is just a compelling reason against.

The Four Alters were vicious nasty pricks who were attacking anyone and everyone without let or hinderance.  (not ad hominem, FACT and endemic to the view.)

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 6:48:32 AM   
jlf1961


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Status: offline 		As I stated earlier. there are ways of making your point without it technically being a personal attack.

For Example:

Any individual who maintains that opinion is little more than a walking rectum.
or
Any individual that maintains such a position on the topic has a severe problem, meaning that every time he/she has a bowel movement their IQ drops by 50%
or
Any individual feeling that way about the topic needs to insert his/her head into their anal orifice so their brain can have direct access to their mouth.

There are other ways of wording these ideas, but you get the gist of my meaning.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 7:00:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha

**Now THAT was a joke on your part, RIGHT?? **



Half. I bet the idea made a few people realize things could be worse.

VideoAdminWyrd does have a nice ring though, don't you think?

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 7:01:53 AM   
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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 7:07:01 AM   
LizDeluxe


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder
I still think and will always think we should have zero moderation. Dog eat dog. Whoever comes out on top stays, the weak move on.


With no moderation every forum turns into P&R. Although I had recently shown some support for the mods in the "Decline" thread since then they have made me rethink that support. All that being said I really don't want a totally unmoderated forum. When this place becomes a free for all like that the weak won't leave but the intelligent will. The weak take over in those instances.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 10:15:19 AM   
littlewonder


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Status: offline 		and the problem? So it turns into p&r. I personally have no problem with that. The only reason I don't post much in p&r is just that I find most political talk to be boring. I'm not bothered by the bickering and rants. It's kinda a survival of the fit kinda thing for me.


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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 10:23:48 AM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		An unmoderated site. Hmmm... how long before the site would be forced to close? The legal issues alone makes no moderation an impossibility.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 10:31:02 AM   
littlewonder


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Status: offline 		there's lots of forums online with no moderators. They've been around for years and still going strong. I belong to quite a few and Master are on a few as well where there is no moderation.

Bdsm sites are the only sites I've ever seen it be a problem.

ETA: Oh and those sites get into worse conniption fits and tearing each other apart worst than here. For me this is nothing and just reminds me of recess time on the playground lol. Bdsm sites always seem to be much more sensitive. Dunno why.



< Message edited by littlewonder -- 1/4/2013 10:32:44 AM >

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 10:41:14 AM   
tazzygirl


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Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 10:56:10 AM   
NuevaVida


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Status: offline 		There's a group that was formed on Fet that tried the no moderation approach. It was rather lively at first but that was short lived. It's now pretty much down to a small handful of people who occasionally post the same bickering type posts. You suck. No YOU suck, is basically what its come down to. No one else posts much anymore. It's a snoozer.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 11:05:33 AM   
LizDeluxe


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Status: offline 		The Usenet discussion groups are a good example of the anarchy that can ensue when nobody is moderated. I had my fill there of no moderation. Survival of the fittest? Like this is some WWE battle royal. I guess the 'last man standing' approach appeals to some. Not to me.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 11:07:23 AM   
needlesandpins


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

The title of the thread is the first sentence of a Gold Email I got recently.

The thread I mentioned it in has now been pulled

The fucking TRUTH is not a defense?

This is on a kink site that stresses TRUTH.
Are we going to modded for saying "Damn dude, you're short" to a guy who is 5'2? It's the fucking TRUTH
If a woman says she weighs 425, will someone get a Gold Letter for saying "Dayum, that's fat"? It's the fucking TRUTH

This kindergarten bullshit and catering to whiny bitches is the point of the thread and you fucking DELETED IT.

Go ahead Mods, fucking delete this one too. I EXPECT NOTHING LESS


yep i've had that said to me over the last couple of days too. sorry but if a person is acting a certain way, and the facts as they stand support the action, and the poster themselves enhances that perception with their own behaviour then it's a statement of truth, not a personal attack. this is where the moderators seem to take a concrete block and drop it on everything as opposed to using common sence.

needles

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 11:13:00 AM   
needlesandpins


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

there's lots of forums online with no moderators. They've been around for years and still going strong. I belong to quite a few and Master are on a few as well where there is no moderation.

Bdsm sites are the only sites I've ever seen it be a problem.

ETA: Oh and those sites get into worse conniption fits and tearing each other apart worst than here. For me this is nothing and just reminds me of recess time on the playground lol. Bdsm sites always seem to be much more sensitive. Dunno why.




i agree with this. while other vanilla sites i belong to do have some moderators, of which i have also been a moderator, they are not there to police the forums. they are generally there to offer advice, find glitches, and act as a go between if one member can't get in touch with another that may have left.

generally people are left to there own devices. bdsm and swinging sites are the only ones where i've ever seen mod's ripping out posts, or thread for people going off topic/deviating, or telling it how it is.

needles

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 11:48:27 AM   
tazzygirl


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Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
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Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 11:48:32 AM   
Politesub53


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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

It's really unsettled and uneven right now, Alpha.

I could pull a few shifts in P&R, if people might prefer that.



Great......cant beat self moderation Rich.......

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 11:51:12 AM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		Vanilla sites....

http://forum.war2glory.co.uk/showthread.php?1612-CHAT-MODERATORS-SUCK-!!!.....oops-i-used-all-caps

http://gbatemp.net/threads/this-is-why-moderators-suck.82167/

http://www.indymtb.com/showthread.php?33214-Moderators-Suck!

Even Gamespot has moderators...

http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/off-topic/31/gamespot-moderators-suck/397811/



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Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 11:55:03 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Moderators to my knowledge don't suck.  I have been on this site 8 or more years with a standing invitation to ALL girls...................nothing has ever occurred.

It may be that they are all guys scamming as girls, check your inbox, most of them from Nigeria anyhow.

Quote as necessary.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 11:55:48 AM   
Hillwilliam


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quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Honestly? They have no terms of service?

Ive been on several totally unmoderated forums.

If someone was enough of a fuckwit, everyone would just put them on iggy and they'd leave.

if someone was underage, everyone else would make their life miserable and then iggy them. We also had a couple of people who were capable of sending an email to their parents.

Once someone got truly abusive and within a week, their employer had a letter with time/date stamped chat logs showing that the threats were originating from their in house computers and the perp was threatening people and beating off to it on company time.

It's been done.

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RE: Sorry, the truth is not a defense to personal attacks. - 1/4/2013 11:56:00 AM   
VideoAdminChi


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

It's really unsettled and uneven right now, Alpha.

I could pull a few shifts in P&R, if people might prefer that.


Great......cant beat self moderation Rich.......


If I think a thread might end up needing moderation, I don't post in it under my other nick, which pretty much rules out posting in P&R, so Rich would indeed be self-moderating

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