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BamaD -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/5/2013 8:15:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I never said all. [;)] That was the assumption of someone else. just the ones legally purchased and owned eventually those owned by criminals will turn up And the same admendments would still be violated

tazzygirl -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/5/2013 8:49:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I never said all. [;)] That was the assumption of someone else. just the ones legally purchased and owned eventually those owned by criminals will turn up And the same admendments would still be violated hahahaha again, trouble reading? or remembering? which is it this time. My position has been the same all along. The bill.... you know.. what Jeff and I were discussing when I made my post... Fienstein's bill, for those not in the know.... mentions no where making all guns illegal. Please, do go check. I will wait.... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4342108 Now, couple that with other ideas, methods from other countries.... Such as Australia... [;)] Where the guns they banned, they bought back.... Is a light bulb going off yet?

BamaD -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/5/2013 9:04:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I never said all. [;)] That was the assumption of someone else. just the ones legally purchased and owned eventually those owned by criminals will turn up And the same admendments would still be violated hahahaha again, trouble reading? or remembering? which is it this time. My position has been the same all along. The bill.... you know.. what Jeff and I were discussing when I made my post... Fienstein's bill, for those not in the know.... mentions no where making all guns illegal. Please, do go check. I will wait.... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4342108 Now, couple that with other ideas, methods from other countries.... Such as Australia... [;)] Where the guns they banned, they bought back.... Is a light bulb going off yet? no trouble reading fienstien wants to regiester all granfathered guns and prohibit transfer with them going to the gov upon death the Austrailian buy back like the one in CA isn't a true byback it's sellback or else and you don't get what you paid for them remember that the fact they ownguns means they arn't as bright as you are tell them this every chance you get I understood every word you said and your statements ignore reality they still only affect legal owners with the hope that someday the badguys guns will be rounded up if I own a business and only refuse to hire one person it is still discrimination so the fact that you don't want all guns confiscated behind the facade of a buyback only lessens the number of victims not the numbers of admendments ignored did a light come on for you???????

Aylee -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/5/2013 9:06:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I never said all. [;)] That was the assumption of someone else. Honestly I have not been following this thread all that closely. My answer still stands though. It was a complete thought. It was an "if A then B," kind of thing.

tazzygirl -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/5/2013 9:07:31 PM)
Oh yes, if all guns are banned, its a massive problem. But that isnt what we were discussing.

tazzygirl -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/5/2013 9:14:01 PM)
The original post about Feinstien's bill came because Jeff's photos accused her of wanting to ban all handguns.. which clearly is not the case, quote: no trouble reading fienstien wants to regiester all granfathered guns and prohibit transfer with them going to the gov upon death the Austrailian buy back like the one in CA isn't a true byback it's sellback or else and you don't get what you paid for them Better than the fine/jail term for being caught with them. quote: remember that the fact they ownguns means they arn't as bright as you are tell them this every chance you get There goes your memory again... I have a gun... I just dont keep it here in PA. quote: I understood every word you said and your statements ignore reality Obviously you did not. Feinstien's bill listed guns to be banned. People want money. Buy backs seem to work to get guns off the streets at any other time. [;)] quote: they still only affect legal owners with the hope that someday the badguys guns will be rounded up Sighsssssssssssssssssssss Which is why you ban and buy back... duh. quote: if I own a business and only refuse to hire one person it is still discrimination Has nothing to do with the conversation... hell.. Im not even sure that is a complete thought or what. quote: you don't want all guns confiscated behind the facade of a buyback only lessens the number of victims not the numbers of admendments ignored did a light come on for you??????? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCy8MpT45gk

BamaD -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/5/2013 10:24:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl The original post about Feinstien's bill came because Jeff's photos accused her of wanting to ban all handguns.. which clearly is not the case, And I acknowleged that fact quote: no trouble reading fienstien wants to regiester all granfathered guns and prohibit transfer with them going to the gov upon death the Austrailian buy back like the one in CA isn't a true byback it's sellback or else and you don't get what you paid for them Better than the fine/jail term for being caught with them. And of course that makes it ok thats the way the mafia takes over companies sell to us for a quarter what it is worth or we will send men with guns after you quote: remember that the fact they ownguns means they arn't as bright as you are tell them this every chance you get There goes your memory again... I have a gun... I just dont keep it here in PA. In all your ramblings you never told me you havea gun although if it is in another state youcan't possibly guarantee that it is secured up to your standards practice what you preach quote: I understood every word you said and your statements ignore reality Obviously you did not. Feinstien's bill listed guns to be banned. People want money. Buy backs seem to work to get guns off the streets at any other time. [;)] I have no probelm with VOLUNTARY buybacks they usually get worthless guns and sometimes bad guys sell the guns to disconnect from them quote: they still only affect legal owners with the hope that someday the badguys guns will be rounded up Sighsssssssssssssssssssss Which is why you ban and buy back... duh. Which is why it is a bad idea, it only disarms the good guys quote: if I own a business and only refuse to hire one person it is still discrimination Has nothing to do with the conversation... hell.. Im not even sure that is a complete thought or what. yes it does the point is that there is no such thing as only violating the constitution a little quote: you don't want all guns confiscated behind the facade of a buyback only lessens the number of victims not the numbers of admendments ignored did a light come on for you??????? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCy8MpT45gk it was not me who didn't read. just because I don't agree doesn't mean I didn't understand rule 8 if yougrab the legaj gun the illeal ones will magically disapear never leveang the honest people defenseless

tazzygirl -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/5/2013 10:34:32 PM)
quote: rule 8 if yougrab the legaj gun the illeal ones will magically disapear never leveang the honest people defenseless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCy8MpT45gk

jlf1961 -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/5/2013 11:41:35 PM)
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tazzygirl -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/5/2013 11:42:31 PM)
lol... that was my dad's attitude.

BamaD -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/5/2013 11:43:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 [image]https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/580554_318859484890936_299381022_n.jpg[/image] lol

jlf1961 -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/5/2013 11:46:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl lol... that was my dad's attitude. I was actually looking for a picture of a large dog. My 45 colt is only to give the intruder in my home a choice, Princess teeth or me and the gun. There is a picture of a young princess in my photos if you want to see the true deterrent to anyone breaking in to my home. Of course it would help if she would bark, instead she just waits for the chance to growl and show teeth.

tazzygirl -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/5/2013 11:48:33 PM)
Ozzy was ours... he is the demon child in my sig line... 150 lbs long haired black lab.... you could hear him bark from inside the house a half mile away...

lovmuffin -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/5/2013 11:58:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Oh yes, if all guns are banned, its a massive problem. But that isnt what we were discussing. Finestiens bill if enacted as it reads now pretty much bans an entire class of modern firearms and requires not only registration of those already in private hands but imposes a $200 tax via NFA classification(same as machine guns). We are talking about tens of millions of guns effecting tens of millions of their owners. All this because of maybe one tenth of a percentage point of the total number of these firearm types that are actually misused. Unfortunately the legislation isn't aimed at those who misuse these weapons but those who don't misuse them. Don't you see a problem with trying to enforce that ?

tazzygirl -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/6/2013 12:10:47 AM)
I often see gun owners... legal ones... talk about how they are law abiding citizens. On that front, I dont foresee a problem. Unless they now want to lose that status. And that is up to them. This is where the buy back comes into play. Will it get rid of all the guns on her list? Nope. And not all of them HAVE to go. There are exceptions on that list. This isnt like banning all guns completely.. or all handguns in DC. This was actually covered by the Supreme Court and, in my opinion, would pass a challenge before them. quote: Across the country, communities have held gun buy back programs in the wake of the Connecticut tragedy. Los Angeles recently collected 2,037 guns, including a grenade launcher. Buchanan and a group of volunteers are putting together Dallas' first since the tragedy, which is designed for gun owners who no longer want weapons but don't know what to do with them. "We need to make communities and families safer and we try to do it one gun at a time," he said. It's scheduled for 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. on Saturday, Jan. 19 outside The Stew Pot at 1822 Young Street. Organizers will pay $50 cash for working handguns and rifles and $200 for semi-automatic assault rifles. http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/dallas/Dallas-church-organizing-another-gun-buy-back-program-185494592.html quote: When Los Angeles police moved up their annual Citywide Gun Buyback program to this week, they collected an arsenal that included 75 assault weapons, 698 rifles, 363 shotguns, 901 handguns and — more surprisingly — two rocket launchers. Police said the people who brought in the weapons told police that they came from family members who served in the military and no longer wanted rocket launchers in their homes, the Times reported. As it turns out, these were not the first launchers to turn up at a gun buyback. Last May, when the event was timed for Mother's Day, one of these large firearms surfaced in Los Angeles. Most people received grocery store gift cards for turning in weapons — up to $200 per firearm, depending on the type. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/28/16221808-rocket-launchers-surface-during-los-angeles-guns-buyback?lite They do work.

lovmuffin -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/6/2013 12:26:07 AM)
That's not even a molecule of a drop in the bucket. I would be curious to know what so called assault weapons were turned in. Why would anyone turn in a firearm worth a thousand or more for two hundred at the grocery store ? I do foresee a problem. It's not exactly like gun owners are going to see themselves as common street punks. It's not like there won't be tens of millions of their brethren in the same boat. It's in effect creating tens of millions of a new criminal class with the stroke of a pen.

tazzygirl -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/6/2013 12:56:50 AM)
quote: That's not even a molecule of a drop in the bucket. I would be curious to know what so called assault weapons were turned in. Why would anyone turn in a firearm worth a thousand or more for two hundred at the grocery store ? Maybe they no longer worked. Maybe they stole them. Maybe they were cheap as I have seen some say they can get some of these guns for 50 bucks on the streets... 200 starts to look good in comparison. quote: I do foresee a problem. It's not exactly like gun owners are going to see themselves as common street punks. It's not like there won't be tens of millions of their brethren in the same boat. It's in effect creating tens of millions of a new criminal class with the stroke of a pen. Goverment does that all the time. Insurance requirements to drive wasnt always needed. A DL's wasnt always needed. Do it now without either and you are a criminal. There are many such laws.

BamaD -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/6/2013 12:58:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Oh yes, if all guns are banned, its a massive problem. But that isnt what we were discussing. Finestiens bill if enacted as it reads now pretty much bans an entire class of modern firearms and requires not only registration of those already in private hands but imposes a $200 tax via NFA classification(same as machine guns). We are talking about tens of millions of guns effecting tens of millions of their owners. All this because of maybe one tenth of a percentage point of the total number of these firearm types that are actually misused. Unfortunately the legislation isn't aimed at those who misuse these weapons but those who don't misuse them. Don't you see a problem with trying to enforce that ? if I understand you correctly this means that if I already owned a gun on the list I would have to pay a two hundred dollar tax and have the same permit I would need for a tommy gun correct?

BamaD -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/6/2013 1:00:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: That's not even a molecule of a drop in the bucket. I would be curious to know what so called assault weapons were turned in. Why would anyone turn in a firearm worth a thousand or more for two hundred at the grocery store ? Maybe they no longer worked. Maybe they stole them. Maybe they were cheap as I have seen some say they can get some of these guns for 50 bucks on the streets... 200 starts to look good in comparison. quote: I do foresee a problem. It's not exactly like gun owners are going to see themselves as common street punks. It's not like there won't be tens of millions of their brethren in the same boat. It's in effect creating tens of millions of a new criminal class with the stroke of a pen. Goverment does that all the time. Insurance requirements to drive wasnt always needed. A DL's wasnt always needed. Do it now without either and you are a criminal. There are many such laws. so its ok

tazzygirl -> RE: Why was the 2nd Amendment written and added to the Constitution. (1/6/2013 1:03:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Oh yes, if all guns are banned, its a massive problem. But that isnt what we were discussing. Finestiens bill if enacted as it reads now pretty much bans an entire class of modern firearms and requires not only registration of those already in private hands but imposes a $200 tax via NFA classification(same as machine guns). We are talking about tens of millions of guns effecting tens of millions of their owners. All this because of maybe one tenth of a percentage point of the total number of these firearm types that are actually misused. Unfortunately the legislation isn't aimed at those who misuse these weapons but those who don't misuse them. Don't you see a problem with trying to enforce that ? if I understand you correctly this means that if I already owned a gun on the list I would have to pay a two hundred dollar tax and have the same permit I would need for a tommy gun correct? Requires owners of existing “assault weapons” to register them with the federal government under the National Firearms Act (NFA). The NFA imposes a $200 transfer tax per firearm, and requires an owner to submit photographs and fingerprints to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), to inform the BATFE of the address where the firearm will be kept, and to obtain the BATFE’s permission to transport the firearm across state lines. Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/05/feinsteins-new-gun-ban-bill-likely-to-be-introduced-january-22/#ixzz2HBUkoKv8

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