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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 6:07:46 PM   
naughtynick81


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When you learn how to post, you will be addressed.


So I have to change my posting style to go by your rules? Who are you? The forum police? lol

You can kiss my arse if you don't like my posting style. It's not my fault if you're not intelligent enough to realise your own words in a quote.

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No names were mentioned.


You must think I came down in the last shower lol

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 6:14:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is nick playing his broken record again???

I don't see his posts - only what others quote. lol.

And yes nick, you are all of those.

But the poor man(?!) just can't see it.


I can't/daren't say any more coz my post will get pulled!

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 6:20:19 PM   
naughtynick81


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Status: offline 		Yes freedomdwarf, how dare a male openly disagrees with feminism or some things women do. If he does, he must be all these things. It can't be that he is an entitled male who has the right of the exact same freedom of speech that feminists are so freely allowed to have. It can't be that some feminists and women do wrong, noooo, the male is always in the wrong.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 6:30:17 PM   
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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 6:33:52 PM   
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It can't be that some feminists and women do wrong, noooo, the male is always in the wrong.


Since the subject has been broached, I was thinking that it isn't that feminism is wrong but that a nonsensically ranting male is mentally ill.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 6:34:37 PM   
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I have little to no time for those who whine and cry but do not exert themselves to try to actively improve a situation they are unhappy about.


Do we see you taking in your own advice in your rape thread you made the other day? lolz. You break your own rules.

But what are forums for again? Why aren't others obligated to do more than complain in a forum when any other complaint in the world is mentioned? Why only single out me?

You don't understand what forums are meant for by the looks.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 6:35:46 PM   
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Since the subject has been broached, I was thinking that it isn't that feminism is wrong but that a nonsensically ranting male is mentally ill.


lol All these shaming tactics simply because I disagree with contemporary feminism.

What a laugh.


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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 6:38:45 PM   
naughtynick81


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Status: offline 		I wonder if a woman would get all these shaming tactics thrown at her if she expressed that she's against the men's rights movement.

The only people who have it wrong are the ones who play with double standards.


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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 6:54:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		To bring the thread back to the original OP, I can see many ways men are victimized. Reportings of false rape being a big one. I think they not only do more harm than good for the rape cause, they also harm the next group of women who do have actually been raped.

On another site someone suggested that names not be released until conviction. I have a problem with that.



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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 7:03:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking of rape, I don't think it should be considered as this special crime that deserves more consideration over other crimes just as bad or worse such as murder alone or being severely bashed up.

Also, it seems to be the only crime where plenty of people will strongly consider that the accused is guilty while with any other crime where someone is accused, the consideration of them being guilty is far less.


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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 7:14:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		And going back to the OP, I can think of many, many examples of movies and television shows that portray men as evil and/or stupid. However, the vast majority of Hollywood writers are men, so...............

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 7:29:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

Speaking of rape, I don't think it should be considered as this special crime that deserves more consideration over other crimes just as bad or worse such as murder alone or being severely bashed up.

Also, it seems to be the only crime where plenty of people will strongly consider that the accused is guilty while with any other crime where someone is accused, the consideration of them being guilty is far less.




In court they are considered innocent until proven guilty. In the public eye, someone arrested, regardless of the crime, is considered guilty until proven otherwise... and maybe even after that. Case in point, OJ.

As far as rape..... seriously? you want to argue with me about fake allegations of rape against men?

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 8:35:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

Speaking of rape, I don't think it should be considered as this special crime that deserves more consideration over other crimes just as bad or worse such as murder alone or being severely bashed up.

Also, it seems to be the only crime where plenty of people will strongly consider that the accused is guilty while with any other crime where someone is accused, the consideration of them being guilty is far less.




In court they are considered innocent until proven guilty. In the public eye, someone arrested, regardless of the crime, is considered guilty until proven otherwise... and maybe even after that. Case in point, OJ.


In a court of law, yes a person is supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty. I personally feel that some of our federal agents are . . . not following this as they should be. But that is rather beside the point I would like to make.

I will point out that as moral agents; it is our duty and obligation to make judgments about peoples actions. However, one of the problems I see is that many people are "tried by the media." I dislike that.

I also dislike the focus on whom the media/news/op eds report on. We have a serious dearth of positive male role models. This is not so good for young and teenage boys. We have a lot of single/divorced mothers. Who are they supposed to model themselves on? The media (news, TV shows, and movies) do not show good and decent men. Yes, some movies do. I know that the Hallmark channel had some Christmas movies on with positive males in them. But, by and large, no you don't see them. (The show "American Restoration" is actually really impressive in regards to this.)

Now, are males "victims" because of this? I am not sure if that is the best adjective. Are we complicit in this disservice to about half the population? In a lot of ways, yes. Have we questioned this negative portrayal of males by these mediums? Not enough.

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As far as rape..... seriously? you want to argue with me about fake allegations of rape against men?


Not really.  Although, yes I do think that it needs its own category.  I would say that, Americans at least, seem a bit schizophrenic about rape. 

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 9:19:09 PM   
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I also dislike the focus on whom the media/news/op eds report on. We have a serious dearth of positive male role models. This is not so good for young and teenage boys. We have a lot of single/divorced mothers. Who are they supposed to model themselves on? The media (news, TV shows, and movies) do not show good and decent men. Yes, some movies do. I know that the Hallmark channel had some Christmas movies on with positive males in them. But, by and large, no you don't see them. (The show "American Restoration" is actually really impressive in regards to this.)


We like that show.. and I agree, it really is impressive.

I miss the "John Wayne" days. Innocent, many would not call them. But there were strong role models that didnt get trashed in the media. Seems, at least to me, the PeeWee Herman incident changed all that. Maybe that is just my perception.

Now, NFL players and the like are the role models... kids too young to handle the fame and the money, and its displayed like badges of honor on TV. The modern hero for guys is getting DUI's, violence with girlfriends, gun fights, dog fights, rape accusations, ect ect.

Where are the good guys?

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Not really. Although, yes I do think that it needs its own category. I would say that, Americans at least, seem a bit schizophrenic about rape.


Im talking about the girl's who get caught having a fling and scream rape... or they make up the story because the boy friend/husband finds out a lil too much, or they are young and pregnant and if daddy finds out, he may kick them out. Or simply for the fame and money.

All these affect not only women who report actual cases of rape, but the men they accuse. When you say "schizophrenic", Im taking that to mean a mental disconnect between the word and the actual crime... in that I agree.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 9:56:11 PM   
Aylee


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Where are the good guys?


They exist.  I know many good males.  They just do not get put in the spotlight.  They are not considered "cool."  And heaven forfend one not be "cool."

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Not really. Although, yes I do think that it needs its own category. I would say that, Americans at least, seem a bit schizophrenic about rape.


Im talking about the girl's who get caught having a fling and scream rape... or they make up the story because the boy friend/husband finds out a lil too much, or they are young and pregnant and if daddy finds out, he may kick them out. Or simply for the fame and money.

All these affect not only women who report actual cases of rape, but the men they accuse. When you say "schizophrenic", Im taking that to mean a mental disconnect between the word and the actual crime... in that I agree.


I actually meant that I had no desire to argue about false allegations. 

The schizophrenic is in regards to how people "feel" about rape and how they react to a person that has been raped or sexually assaulted.  In the first case it is, "rape is bad.  Men should not rape women.  Men who rape women are bad people."  In the second case it becomes, "what did the female do to encourage him?  Why was she alone with him?  Why was she drunk?  Why didn't she say something about his behaviour before?"  This is especially prevalent with date rape.  The sad part is, is that these jerks actually SAY things that give away that they are rapists and sexual assaulters.  But with the lack of role models, no one knows how to say, "That is NOT cool.  That is NOT right."  And this puts all men in the untrustworthy category with out even understanding why.  That is unfortunate. 

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/8/2013 12:13:00 AM   
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seriously? you want to argue with me about fake allegations of rape against men?


I don't see any point or direction to it. We both agree that fake allegations exist. I think it may happen more than what many people would like to admit.

Anyway, I think one of the biggest problems men face which doesn't get anywhere near as much attention that it deserves is that men constantly get prejudged on their sexuality. My very first post in this thread mentioned this issue.

I think this type of bigotry would be more common than most or all other types of bigotry going on in western societies.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/8/2013 3:30:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Where are the good guys?





I used to pride myself on being one of the good guys, and it took me four marriages to discover that good guys get screwed.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/8/2013 4:13:58 AM   
naughtynick81


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Status: offline 		Defining most men as bad guys and claiming it's hard to find a good guy is a problem people should consider. I'm not accusing anyone on here thinking that way.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/8/2013 6:26:38 AM   
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Defining most men as bad guys and claiming it's hard to find a good guy is a problem people should consider. I'm not accusing anyone on here thinking that way.

Is this the root of your problem? You have a chip on your shoulder about women because that rotten Jolene stole your man?

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/8/2013 8:23:04 AM   
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lol All these shaming tactics simply because I disagree with contemporary feminism.


I'm pretty well convinced that you haven't the faintest idea what contemporary feminism is and have gotten yourself all worked up by reading too many blogs on the internet written by paranoid schizophrenics.

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