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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 12:23:06 PM   
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I dont know about the UK, but in the US, all that is required is the police to see the assault to make an arrest. He doesnt have to press charges, the police can.

The police don't even have to see the assault here. If they see bruises or scratches, someone is going to jail.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 12:25:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is that true in all fifty states, tazzy? I know that it is in certain states, Colorado being an example.

Just a curiosity.


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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 12:25:06 PM   
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I dont know about the UK, but in the US, all that is required is the police to see the assault to make an arrest. He doesnt have to press charges, the police can.


I think the same is true here. But a copper might still leave it, other than to bark out an order to 'cool down' first. I think, on the whole, I'd be more concerned about how the man being beaten feels about it than anything else. 'Damage of the soul' (want of a better phrase) would be key for me.


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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 12:32:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I dont know about the UK, but in the US, all that is required is the police to see the assault to make an arrest. He doesnt have to press charges, the police can.

The police don't even have to see the assault here. If they see bruises or scratches, someone is going to jail.


If we're going for symmetry between the genders here, the main thing under question would be 'as a passer by, would you step in to prevent the violence yourself?' Calling the police would be much too slow in a lot of scenarios.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 12:36:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I dont know about the UK, but in the US, all that is required is the police to see the assault to make an arrest. He doesnt have to press charges, the police can.


I think the same is true here. But a copper might still leave it, other than to bark out an order to 'cool down' first. I think, on the whole, I'd be more concerned about how the man being beaten feels about it than anything else. 'Damage of the soul' (want of a better phrase) would be key for me.


On that level, a lot of guys might find somebody else stepping in to intervene a lot more embarrassing than getting slapped about by their partner.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 1:10:05 PM   
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Oh nick, nick, nick.... why are you so mad?


Mad? lol I'm amused.

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You know what is amusing with you, all these women were talking.... Barona was much more critical of men than I was... and yet its me you decide to attack in almost every post.


Is there something wrong with your eyes? Maybe you should read back on my quotes. Oh my last post did exactly that, I replied to her nonsense.

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You point out that I made the following post


How exactly did I point out that you made the following post? Everyone in here knows who made that post.

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That wasnt me either, nick.


Again, where did I exactly indicate that it was your post? What is making you think that I am posting towards you? If it's not your quote, it's obvious that the post is not about you. Could it get any more obvious?








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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 1:25:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Is that true in all fifty states, tazzy? I know that it is in certain states, Colorado being an example.

Just a curiosity.



I havent run across a state that doesnt allow it, LP.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 1:29:59 PM   
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Is there something wrong with your eyes? Maybe you should read back on my quotes. Oh my last post did exactly that, I replied to her nonsense.


And yet the 50000 quote was from a male... and you said nothing to or about him.... interesting.

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How exactly did I point out that you made the following post? Everyone in here knows who made that post.


I was the only one mentioned in your post.

The post was a direct reply to one of my posts.

Im sure, but now, you know how posting here works.... then again, maybe not.

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Again, where did I exactly indicate that it was your post? What is making you think that I am posting towards you? If it's not your quote, it's obvious that the post is not about you. Could it get any more obvious?


Bottom right hand corner of your posts.... (in reply to Moonhead)

In this case, you are replying to Moonhead about me.... lol.... guess that proves you dont know.

Maybe its time you learned.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 1:40:09 PM   
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But what else is new, women own just about all the double standards.


Some people can't read for content - they simply extract what they want to see and use it for their own brand of self-justification.  And, of course, we can hear the whine in their voice, the poor-me attitude, and the reek of pathos.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 1:50:19 PM   
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Calling the police would be much too slow in a lot of scenarios.


Indeed.

Hence my earlier comment on responding to initiation of violence by ending it.

When someone attacks you physically, the police are a distant concern, and indeed it isn't really their job to prevent violence, so much as respond to it and ensure that it has a deterring cost associated with it; excepting major incidents where an organized response is required and the time to respond is available, like massacres. The first order of business is to defend yourself, which means ending the threat, which is usually a matter of violence itself. A mid sentence bitchslap isn't communication, which guys have been aware of for ages. It's preferrable to learn that in some other way than having one's arm broken by a parry, but the important thing is learning it.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 1:50:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		In most jurisdictions, the police must see a misdemeanor occur in order to pursue charges. They aren't required to simply take the word of a random complainant that another person spit on the sidewalk, or trespassed on their lawn.

In the case of DV, most if not all states as well as the feds take a different approach, and the police do not have to see the incident to make an arrest.
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I dont know about the UK, but in the US, all that is required is the police to see the assault to make an arrest. He doesnt have to press charges, the police can.

The police don't even have to see the assault here. If they see bruises or scratches, someone is going to jail.



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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 2:02:44 PM   
naughtynick81


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And yet the 50000 quote was from a male... and you said nothing to or about him.... interesting.


What you aren't comprehending is that I joined the 2 quotes from 2 different people because they simply had the same type of opinion of which I wanted to reply in one post instead of replying to both separately. The people who made the posts that I quoted obviously know it's theirs. The people who didn't make the posts I quoted obviously know it's not theirs.

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I was the only one mentioned in your post.


Mentioning you in my post and then moving on to another topic from making quotes which OBVIOUSLY aren't from you is a very clear indication of what's happening. I am sorry if you're a bit slow to figure out what's so very very very obvious. Again, the people who made the posts that I quoted obviously know it's theirs. The people who didn't make the posts I quoted obviously know it's not theirs.

How hard is this to figure out? You seem to terribly lack initiative.

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Bottom right hand corner of your posts.... (in reply to Moonhead)

In this case, you are replying to Moonhead about me.... lol.... guess that proves you dont know.

Maybe its time you learned.


I just simply go right down to the bottom of the screen where there is a message window ready to use instead of clicking on the reply icon to a person's post. Oh no!, blasphemy?

Again, the people who made the posts that I quoted obviously know it's theirs. The people who didn't make the posts I quoted obviously know it's not theirs.

You have to be slooow if you can't figure this out.


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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 2:56:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I dont know about the UK, but in the US, all that is required is the police to see the assault to make an arrest. He doesnt have to press charges, the police can.


I think the same is true here. But a copper might still leave it, other than to bark out an order to 'cool down' first. I think, on the whole, I'd be more concerned about how the man being beaten feels about it than anything else. 'Damage of the soul' (want of a better phrase) would be key for me.


On that level, a lot of guys might find somebody else stepping in to intervene a lot more embarrassing than getting slapped about by their partner.


You could well be right.

I'm beginning to wonder if we're searching a bit too hard for an equivalence here. Some of this stuff - of violence from men towards women, compared to violence from women towards men - is beginning to look like apples compared to oranges to me. Beyond the purely moral point that both are equally bad things, of course.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 3:02:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		The really hilarious thing about this whole pissing match, of course, is that the posters who are most adamant that unless there's completely equivalent treatment of both sexes in all circumstances then men are being impressed by the evil feminist conspiracy are also banging on about the innate and essential differences that arise from sexual dymorphism. Having your cake and eating it or what?
(And don't even get me started on the notion that there's a consensus among all feminists and that no f*******i has ever dissed another woman but save all of their bile for poor oppressed blokes. I can't see how anybody would think that if they'd ever read any feminism, or even seen the notorious feminists Germaine Greer or Camille Paglia on the telly...)

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 3:06:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

The really hilarious thing about this whole pissing match, of course, is that the posters who are most adamant that unless there's completely equivalent treatment of both sexes in all circumstances then men are being impressed by the evil feminist conspiracy are also banging on about the innate and essential differences that arise from sexual dymorphism. Having your cake and eating it or what?
(And don't even get me started on the notion that there's a consensus among all feminists and that no f*******i has ever dissed another woman but save all of their bile for poor oppressed blokes. I can't see how anybody would think that if they'd ever read any feminism, or even seen the notorious feminists Germaine Greer or Camille Paglia on the telly...)


lol... nick is saving all his "oppressed" venom for me... I feel so... special.



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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 3:08:19 PM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		you do enjoy backpeddling, nick. Please, do continue if it makes you feel better.

But, look to the bottom right of the post I am replying too.... it says... ahem

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Now, why would Aylee not assume you are addressing her? If we were in a conversation, this would be akin to looking into her eyes while talking to me.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 3:49:04 PM   
Aylee


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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

Again, the people who made the posts that I quoted obviously know it's theirs. The people who didn't make the posts I quoted obviously know it's not theirs.

You have to be slooow if you can't figure this out.



The person that wrote the drivel in this post is clearly concept-challenged.


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

you do enjoy backpeddling, nick. Please, do continue if it makes you feel better.

But, look to the bottom right of the post I am replying too.... it says... ahem

(in reply to Aylee)

Now, why would Aylee not assume you are addressing her? If we were in a conversation, this would be akin to looking into her eyes while talking to me.


I'd say that's the major problem right there.  Of course, certain individuals would not look a woman in the eyes because that might be a form of oppressing him.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

You could well be right.

I'm beginning to wonder if we're searching a bit too hard for an equivalence here. Some of this stuff - of violence from men towards women, compared to violence from women towards men - is beginning to look like apples compared to oranges to me. Beyond the purely moral point that both are equally bad things, of course.


Yes, there is a disparity of force between most men and most women.  Outliers occur in either gender, of course. 

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

The really hilarious thing about this whole pissing match, of course, is that the posters who are most adamant that unless there's completely equivalent treatment of both sexes in all circumstances then men are being impressed by the evil feminist conspiracy are also banging on about the innate and essential differences that arise from sexual dymorphism. Having your cake and eating it or what?
(And don't even get me started on the notion that there's a consensus among all feminists and that no f*******i has ever dissed another woman but save all of their bile for poor oppressed blokes. I can't see how anybody would think that if they'd ever read any feminism, or even seen the notorious feminists Germaine Greer or Camille Paglia on the telly...)


Really, at this point I am just demonstrating that one can respond to different posters in a single post and still have it show to whom they are responding.  Kind of a:  HEY!  Lookie what I can do!!!!!  Is it not nifty?!?!?  Sort of thing. 


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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 3:57:42 PM   
naughtynick81


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Status: offline 		Tazzy, I think everyone can realise (maybe except you) that when a person types up their post in the message window at the very bottom of this page instead of clicking on the reply icon to people's posts, it will say "in reply to"...the last person who made a post in the thread.

A person who doesn't have comprehension problems can clearly realise that the content of a person's post is a very obvious indication of who they are directing it to.

That said, what if a person wanted to reply to multiple people? So the very bottom says in reply to...but that's technically not correct.

This is the way I prefer and choose to do it. I read the posts and then scroll down to the bottom of the page and quote out what I want to make a response with. I don't give a hoots if you don't like it done this way.

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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 4:03:30 PM   
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I'd say that's the major problem right there. Of course, certain individuals would not look a woman in the eyes because that might be a form of oppressing him.


ROFL

It's so funny how feminists are allowed to complain all they like. But yet when a male complains about male issues, people come up with the most ridiculous assumptions like this.

Your gender bias is blatantly obvious.

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Really, at this point I am just demonstrating that one can respond to different posters in a single post and still have it show to whom they are responding. Kind of a: HEY! Lookie what I can do!!!!! Is it not nifty?!?!? Sort of thing.


So in other words, the people you are posting to need crutches to comprehend? Not like it's so glaringly obvious that people can realise their own words being displayed in a quote.

Gotta larf.






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RE: Male victimization in modern society. - 1/7/2013 4:05:56 PM   
Aylee


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That said, what if a person wanted to reply to multiple people? So the very bottom says in reply to...but that's technically not correct.



Gosh Nick, I dunno.  Maybe someday, someone, will find a way to do that. 

What is that I hear?  Oh, it is the cluephone ringing.  I think that it might be for you.

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