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tazzygirl -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 12:03:06 AM)

Bottom line, nick?

Hard core feminists have their lobbies keeping their issues in the politicians ears and eyes.

Until men do the same, this will never change. Its sad, but a fact of political life, at least here in the states.

I am a nurse. If a patient comes in complaining or her hands itching, but doesnt mention that she has been having chest pain on and off for days, how are we expected to treat the heart condition that may kill her as soon as she is released?

We encourage everyone to speak up... for themselves. Only the weakest get a pass. Children, elderly and the disabled are championed for. The rest have to champion for themselves... even women.

Until men start doing that, I dont foresee things changing.



Bishop1984 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 12:12:02 AM)

You're right, Taz, but it would be nice if you admitted, while pointing out that men have to actually gripe about these things for them to be changed, that it is not ok, in our culture, for men to ever actually gripe.



tazzygirl -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 12:14:39 AM)

I disagree. I see no problem with a man griping, bitching, moaning, complaining, whining, screaming, ect ect ect about an injustice. Whatever it takes to be heard.

What I dont agree with is a "victim" tossing up their hands in the air and screaming "someone help me" when they refuse to help themselves first.



naughtynick81 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 12:14:46 AM)

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Until men do the same, this will never change. Its sad, but a fact of political life, at least here in the states.


When men do, they are usually deemed as whiny misogynists. It's simply politically incorrect for men to speak up about their problems. That's how far it has gone. They have no balls, they need to man up etc etc etc. They have no entitlement period to speak up about their problems or else [insert shaming tacitc here]

I think it's VERY CONTRADICTIVE when people tell me to stop mentioning a male problem and raising awareness about it on here and yet tell me to do something about it lol.

Here we have 10000s of different types of complaints on this forum. It's amazing how you aren't telling people who have different complaints that exact same thing while only singling out me speaking about male problems.

I can say the same about slutwalk. What are they doing about it? They are just complaining on the streets. How is this any different to me complaining on a forum?




tazzygirl -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 12:20:34 AM)

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When men do, they are usually deemed as whiny misogynists. It's simply politically incorrect for men to speak up about their problems. That's how far it has gone. They have no balls, they need to man up etc etc etc. They have no entitlement period to speak up about their problems or else [insert shaming tacitc here]


By who? Women with an agenda to keep you down in order to keep themselves elevated?

What got you labeled here was your attitude, not your words. It wasnt what you were saying, it was how you were saying it. You came here complaining about anything and everything feminist... and got caught up in your own trap.

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I think it's VERY CONTRADICTIVE when people tell me to stop mentioning a male problem and raising awareness about it on here and yet tell me to do something about it lol.


Nope.. thats not what you were told... nor what you did. You raised the hackles of many here because your attacks were directed at women... not at problems.

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Here we have 10000s of different types of complaints on this forum. It's amazing how you aren't telling people who have different complaints that exact same thing while only singling out me speaking about male problems.


I dont bother with topics that dont interest me. Im sure you dont either. I have told women who come here and complain about a man in their life that we only have one side of the story, they have two options, stay and take it or leave.

YOU have one of two options. You can continue with a discussion about the problems with male violence, on all levels, including the men themselves, or you can start railing at me about women I have no control over. That is your choice. My reaction will depend upon that decision.

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I can say the same about slutwalk. What are they doing about it? They are just complaining on the streets. How is this any different to me complaining on a forum?


The slutwalk as political news... shoved it right into the media's... and politicians... faces.

What is posting on a message board doing for the men's movement?



naughtynick81 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 12:29:21 AM)

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What got you labeled here was your attitude, not your words. It wasnt what you were saying, it was how you were saying it. You came here complaining about anything and everything feminist... and got caught up in your own trap.


Bullshit, it was the simple fact of me complaining about male problems. It has always been this way right from the very first complaint I have ever made.

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Nope.. thats not what you were told... nor what you did. You raised the hackles of many here because your attacks were directed at women... not at problems.


Explain in logical detail how I attacked women for simply pointing out male problems? Please make quotes from me that indicate this.

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I dont bother with topics that dont interest me. Im sure you dont either. I have told women who come here and complain about a man in their life that we only have one side of the story, they have two options, stay and take it or leave.


The unfairness of the situations in the 2 recent rape threads in here which you have been a part of, I don't see you asking others what are they doing about it.


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The slutwalk as political news... shoved it right into the media's... and politicians... faces.


How can the media and politicians stop men from raping?

Can you cite me any PROOF where slutwalks have stopped people thinking this or that way?

If you can't cite any, what is this telling us?



tazzygirl -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 12:44:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

It's amazing how women can sit here and tell men this is that, you have to be this or that to be qualified in this type of couting world. But if dominant or submissive men told women they have to change, oh no, shock.





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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

Obviously, men and women have different ways of thinking, different priorities when looking for the opposite gender etc etc. If male doms/subs tried to tell women to be more sexual first up ( I don't mean going physical at that point) if they want top points in going further, my god the outrage. But when women tell men to think more like women in the courting process to take things further, it's the politically correct way or else it's the highway.

It just seems no matter what role, it's the women's way or else you are wrong. My opinion is that either way is wrong or right. But it's just bigoted and sad how the instinctive male way is always wrong while the female instinctive way is always right.


http://www.collarchat.com/m_3866944/mpage_4/key_/tm.htm#3924621

Your first 2 posts since you took a break from CM... this was upon your returning in november.

The name of the thread....

RE: Are Women attracted to submisive men?

Posted in the "Ask a Mistress" section.

Its really curious that you would go into a thread for Dommes and not expect them to get upset. Which leads me to the conclusion that upsetting them was your agenda.

And this has been your typical posting style. Something you continue to try with me even now. You have been on a feminism bent ever since. Even your thread on poltical correctness took great pains to shoot darts at women.

You, my dear nick, has an attitude that screams... I hate women.



tazzygirl -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 12:46:49 AM)

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The unfairness of the situations in the 2 recent rape threads in here which you have been a part of, I don't see you asking others what are they doing about it.


The victim IS doing something about it.

Those reporting ARE doing something about it.

You were asked what you were doing about it because you admitted you were a victim yourself, but you kept silent. You admitted you didnt help on any level beyond a message board.

So, yes, its a valid question when someone admits they are doing nothing.



tazzygirl -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 12:52:12 AM)

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How can the media and politicians stop men from raping?

Can you cite me any PROOF where slutwalks have stopped people thinking this or that way?

If you can't cite any, what is this telling us?


lol... you dont understand politics.

Do you know why slutwalks were started? How many years they have been going on?



naughtynick81 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 1:39:57 AM)

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Its really curious that you would go into a thread for Dommes and not expect them to get upset. Which leads me to the conclusion that upsetting them was your agenda.


It shouldn't make people upset when I simply state an opinion that some male traits are usually looked down upon while females traits are expected to be the only rule or else a male is wrong.

It seems that you think a male isn't entitled to disagree with what dommes say. That is wrong, not me making the post.

Feminists complain about men doing this or that wrong all the time. Does that mean they deserve nothing but negative responses? Does that mean they are misandrists and should just shut up?

Why the double standard? Why the female privilege?

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The victim IS doing something about it.

Those reporting ARE doing something about it.


Those complaining about it in the thread are doing nothing more but complaining on CM. The exact thing that I am doing when I complain.

Come on, no more double standards.

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You were asked what you were doing about it because you admitted you were a victim yourself


I got asked this loooong before I mentioned I was a victim myself...from only a slap. Besides, it was only a slap at the point where I broke up and was going to have nothing to do with her from there on.

Just because I simply got slapped in a break up, how does that make me obligated to do something about it...which I can't possibly do? I have little money, no power. Yet you are telling me to act like a powerful person and change society. You are asking the average powerless man with little money and social power to change everything. It's laughable.

Stop and think about what you are saying for a second.

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So, yes, its a valid question when someone admits they are doing nothing.


But magically it doesn't appear that way when others make a complaint about anything else that exist.

Drop the double standards.










naughtynick81 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 3:31:15 AM)

I'm curious to know, when it comes to gender issues, when are women ever placed in blame, not necessarily entirely to blame, for the problems? I'm even more curious to know what feminists say compared to others.




mons -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 4:06:32 AM)

Owner59

I will tell you this tale of what happen to my son when he was about 14 years old!

He had a friend whom I did not approve of and if any parents know telling your child
you do not care for a friend he has, will only make he hang around with them more, so
I did not say anything!

So this young friend of his who happen to be the same age, but he told my son who
had collected comic books as a hobby to come into an apartment this boy had been entering in
for about five days! We did not know this until later !

I my twin son whom I concern as my son, was here and in school college at the time! Thank god 'he was here
he told him and this is how I found out that as an artist the boy wanted my son to sign the checks he has stolen!

My son never went into this apartment, his finger prints were no where in this place but when they both were
arrested, my son after they had investigated what had happen! They gave my son 2 years of probation and the
boy 3 months!

You must wonder why this happen, his friend is white and mexican but his name and he does not have the last name
nor did he have the skin color of someone who has the look of someone with the nationality of someone who is Mexican!

Now my son did not go into this place he gave the things a shoe string and a check to a police person!

I called the office of the District Attorney and told them one thing "do you want me to sue you"?

Not more then three days the boy had the 2 years probation and my son had 3 months! Many people do not know
how to handle something like this I did!

Now as for the black young men in Jail they are given longer probation then the other young men, so if they do anything
jay walk etc. It make for a very fast track to jail!

I seen it with my own eyes and I could not believe it but the same jail time or anything to do with the crimnal justice system
is bias when it come to black males!

I am not saying there are not young black men who do not do serious crimes I also believe in carry yourself as a man and you will be the man they see, but there are some like my son whom was about
to be given a unfair term that may had place him in jail for some time if he did one thing wrong, no matter how small!

It was a shock to see how the system works, my daughter is an attonery and she refuse to work in the criminal system at all!!!
She had saw how things were truly run, and it sicken her so much!

I was not given the thought of everyone whom is black is always sought after for a crime, but I had to teach my son, watch out if you stopped by
the police act in a manner that is very careful and respect no matter what is said to him!

Mons



Chesterfield91 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 5:19:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

IN response to a statement in the thread dealing with prostate cancer, I felt that it needed its own thread.

Now depending on how you define victimization, there are various ways to consider this bold and general statement.

Doing a google search on the term only resulted in statistics dealing with crime, broken down to race, religion and sexual orientation.

Under these statistics, most males were less likely to be victims of violent criminal acts than women.

In the health industry, the cost of developing a drug like Viagra runs about the same as developing a new birth control pill. As far as the idea that prostate cancer gets less funding for research than breast cancer is laughable, at least in the US.

Considering the vast difference in the number of men to women in extended care facilities or other retirement centers, it would seem that a male's continued health is a bit more of a priority than that of a female.

The real area of male victimization is in the media.

Males are more likely to be portrayed as the deranged killer in a slasher movie, the serial killer in crime dramas, and the cliche' sexual predator, even though there have been more than a few female teachers that have taken sexual advantage of male students.

Thus, men are portrayed as the one to fear. Men are the killers, rapists, bombers, mass murderers and serial killers.

Although I am not sure that could actually be referred to as victimization, it would seem to be more of a problem of type casting.


In fact men are more likely to be the victim of violent crime, including domestic violence:
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/vsxtab.cfm

And yet all we here is "stop violence against women". Feminist run domestic violence shelters mostly turn male victims away, and feminists very often deny that men are anywhere near as much victims as women are. Check this video out where feminists disrupt a forum on battered husbands: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qodygTkTUYM

Erin Pizzey, the first woman to open a domestic violence shelter, was harassed, received death threats, and was run out of the country with a bomb scare by feminists, because she wanted to help male victims of domestic violence too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhliqceyoL8

And it's the same with sexual abuse. Many feminists who have tried to speak about female on male sexual abuse has been attacked and driven out of the movement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCpr3hr0K30

As well as this, violence on men is often seen as comedy. How often in films do you see a woman slap a man in the face, or kick him in the balls, and it's supposed to be funny? I find this disturbing because it's gone so far that people like Sharon Osbourne can openly ridicule a poor man on TV who has been genitally mutilated by his wife just for filing a divorce: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muuFygvXPAM

Feminists recently also disrupted an MRA event where the talk was on stuff like male suicide, males in education etc. They became violent, blocked entry, and they call it hate speech. Skip to the 4 minute mark where a feminist gets right in a man's face, verbally abuses him, and calls him a "rape apologist incest supporting woman hating fucking scum", all because he wants to hear a talk about men's rights. It's fucking ridiculous: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0

Also a video where feminists tear down men's rights posters calling it "hate speech": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jz63_lGuSE

People still think that it's bullshit that men aren't allowed to complain and fight for their rights?



Moonhead -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 5:32:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bishop1984

You're right, Taz, but it would be nice if you admitted, while pointing out that men have to actually gripe about these things for them to be changed, that it is not ok, in our culture, for men to ever actually gripe.

Are you sure? There's loads of men griping* on this here messageboard...
[:D]
*(And whining, moaning like an actress in a porn film, bitching and sulking as well. There's even the occasional mantrum.)



tazzygirl -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 6:57:01 AM)

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It shouldn't make people upset when I simply state an opinion that some male traits are usually looked down upon while females traits are expected to be the only rule or else a male is wrong.


Its in a Domme section.... and you want to be viewed as an equal? Exactly what do the terms "submissive" and "slave" mean to you?

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It seems that you think a male isn't entitled to disagree with what dommes say. That is wrong, not me making the post.

Feminists complain about men doing this or that wrong all the time. Does that mean they deserve nothing but negative responses? Does that mean they are misandrists and should just shut up?


rofl.... you really want equality for male submissives and male slaves on a BDSM message board!

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Why the double standard? Why the female privilege?


Oh, I dont know... Dommes vs submissives/slaves, perhaps?

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Those complaining about it in the thread are doing nothing more but complaining on CM. The exact thing that I am doing when I complain.

Come on, no more double standards.


No, they were reacting to a news story about someone who IS doing something about what happened to that girl. They didnt come into that thread with complaints then say "I cant do anything about it. SOMEONE help her now!" Thats basically what you did in your threads.

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I got asked this loooong before I mentioned I was a victim myself...from only a slap. Besides, it was only a slap at the point where I broke up and was going to have nothing to do with her from there on.


A slap is enough to get her anger management classes, which puts her in the system and makes it easier for the next guy to prosecute. Excuses are cop outs, nick. Saying it was only a slap is a cop out. Allowing women to get away with "just a slap" now, makes it all that much harder on the next guy who she may hit with a baseball bat.

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Just because I simply got slapped in a break up, how does that make me obligated to do something about it...which I can't possibly do? I have little money, no power. Yet you are telling me to act like a powerful person and change society. You are asking the average powerless man with little money and social power to change everything. It's laughable.


I have rarely ever hit a man.... my family being the exception, and we used to have knock down, drag out fights. But, I digress. No one has the right to hit you unless you give them that right. You obviously did not, you were breaking up.

So, why did you allow her to physically abuse you? Dont get mad, I would be asking a woman all this too. Abuse only ends when someone stops the abuser. YOU may not be hit anymore... but she will go on to abuse other men. I guess that is just ok with you... after all.... this time... it was just a slap.

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I'm curious to know, when it comes to gender issues, when are women ever placed in blame, not necessarily entirely to blame, for the problems? I'm even more curious to know what feminists say compared to others.


When it comes to being abused? When they stay and silently take it.



jlf1961 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 10:53:57 AM)

On the point of more men dieing in combat than women.

Under federal law, women cannot be assigned to combat units..

However, if we could temporarily assign women to combat units when they are PMS'ing, I figure the longest lasting war the US would be caught up in would be about five days.

Of course, the US would then be accused of record numbers of war crimes.

PMS'ing women are mean.



tazzygirl -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 11:14:43 AM)

LOL ok.. that was funny!



Baroana -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 11:20:59 AM)

Fast reply

Is this topic intended as a grievance against somebody? In case the OP here is unaware, this is what they call "a man's world." Men have been making up the rules of the game for quite some time now. Any complaints you have you should take up with them.



Chesterfield91 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 11:26:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Baroana

Fast reply

Is this topic intended as a grievance against somebody? In case the OP here is unaware, this is what they call "a man's world." Men have been making up the rules of the game for quite some time now. Any complaints you have you should take up with them.


This is true, but that doesn't mean that the rules of the game have always been in men's favour.



jlf1961 -> RE: Male victimization in modern society. (1/6/2013 11:27:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Baroana

Fast reply

Is this topic intended as a grievance against somebody? In case the OP here is unaware, this is what they call "a man's world." Men have been making up the rules of the game for quite some time now. Any complaints you have you should take up with them.



The topic was posted in response to something said in another thread.

Yes men have been making the rule for 50000 years.

Over those years a few mistakes have been made, like giving women the right to vote, drive, own property, dictate what is cooked for meals, giving them the right to voice their opinion about how much fucking salt a man uses on his popcorn.....



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