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Most men, including myself, are taught never to hit a woman, even if she hits them first. That's what I've always been taught. I could never do it, it would feel wrong. That's the way a lot of men are.

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Why are they not meaningful? I said I was talking about the police not taking it seriously as a reason for it being under-reported. I don't think they'd have trouble admitting it in front of their Mothers, for the reason I just mentioned.

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No shit.

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Is this topic intended as a grievance against somebody? In case the OP here is unaware, this is what they call "a man's world." Men have been making up the rules of the game for quite some time now. Any complaints you have you should take up with them.

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Yes men have been making the rule for 50000 years.

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

Wow, there is so much I would like to reply to but it would be too much work. I think it's pointless discussing male issues with tazzy. She's obviously clueless and not really in touch with reality. She seems to have the "it's the man's fault" mentality for nearly everything. But that's typical for feminists. You will never get anywhere arguing with a bigot.

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Considering how much you have been on the attack Nick, I would suggest that not only do you not want to hear the facts, when they are presented to you, you just ignore them and go on another rant.

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

A person can easily be defined as a bigot when:

1. They single out a male expressing problems that men go through with the "what are you doing about it" tactic while never throwing this at people who complain about female problems.

2. Placing fault and blame on men for nearly everything that exist.

That's a great indication of a bigot to me.

In a feminist world for many, women are perfect princesses who can never be wrong and never be at fault for anything.

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Considering how much you have been on the attack Nick, I would suggest that not only do you not want to hear the facts, when they are presented to you, you just ignore them and go on another rant.

What do you mean? I saw her so called facts over and over again. We went around circles over and over and over again last night with this argument. There is nothing more I can do. I already provided facts on why men feel less encouraged to speak up about their experiences. But she refuses to acknowledge this logic and goes on with her babble that everything is the fault of the male victims yada yada yada. It's futile trying to get this across to someone who is so closed minded.

Again, I would love to see people's say on this.

I'm curious to know, when it comes to gender issues, when are women ever placed in blame, not necessarily entirely to blame, for the problems? I'm even more curious to know what feminists say compared to others.

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

A person can easily be defined as a bigot when:

1. They single out a male expressing problems that men go through with the "what are you doing about it" tactic while never throwing this at people who complain about female problems.

2. Placing fault and blame on men for nearly everything that exist.

That's a great indication of a bigot to me.

In a feminist world for many, women are perfect princesses who can never be wrong and never be at fault for anything.

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Considering how much you have been on the attack Nick, I would suggest that not only do you not want to hear the facts, when they are presented to you, you just ignore them and go on another rant.

What do you mean? I saw her so called facts over and over again. We went around circles over and over and over again last night with this argument. There is nothing more I can do. I already provided facts on why men feel less encouraged to speak up about their experiences. But she refuses to acknowledge this logic and goes on with her babble that everything is the fault of the male victims yada yada yada. It's futile trying to get this across to someone who is so closed minded.

Again, I would love to see people's say on this.

I'm curious to know, when it comes to gender issues, when are women ever placed in blame, not necessarily entirely to blame, for the problems? I'm even more curious to know what feminists say compared to others.

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

A person can easily be defined as a bigot when:

1. They single out a male expressing problems that men go through with the "what are you doing about it" tactic while never throwing this at people who complain about female problems.

2. Placing fault and blame on men for nearly everything that exist.

That's a great indication of a bigot to me.

In a feminist world for many, women are perfect princesses who can never be wrong and never be at fault for anything.

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Considering how much you have been on the attack Nick, I would suggest that not only do you not want to hear the facts, when they are presented to you, you just ignore them and go on another rant.

What do you mean? I saw her so called facts over and over again. We went around circles over and over and over again last night with this argument. There is nothing more I can do. I already provided facts on why men feel less encouraged to speak up about their experiences. But she refuses to acknowledge this logic and goes on with her babble that everything is the fault of the male victims yada yada yada. It's futile trying to get this across to someone who is so closed minded.

Again, I would love to see people's say on this.

I'm curious to know, when it comes to gender issues, when are women ever placed in blame, not necessarily entirely to blame, for the problems? I'm even more curious to know what feminists say compared to others.

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Wow, there is so much I would like to reply to but it would be too much work. I think it's pointless discussing male issues with tazzy. She's obviously clueless and not really in touch with reality. She seems to have the "it's the man's fault" mentality for nearly everything. But that's typical for feminists. You will never get anywhere arguing with a bigot.

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Yes men have been making the rule for 50000 years.

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Is this topic intended as a grievance against somebody? In case the OP here is unaware, this is what they call "a man's world." Men have been making up the rules of the game for quite some time now. Any complaints you have you should take up with them.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

The rest of us can keep it straight.

Nick seems to have a personal ax to grind with me.

Its all good.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And, btw, over half of what you quoted was not posted by me.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Most men, including myself, are taught never to hit a woman, even if she hits them first. That's what I've always been taught. I could never do it, it would feel wrong. That's the way a lot of men are.

No, thats the way you are. You may know some who think like you, or say they do. But you cannot say thats th eway a lot of men are. Your brother proves that point. Werent you raised with the same values?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Why are they not meaningful? I said I was talking about the police not taking it seriously as a reason for it being under-reported. I don't think they'd have trouble admitting it in front of their Mothers, for the reason I just mentioned.

Because the study was conducted among teenage boys having to discuss hitting girls, unprovoked, in front of their mothers. I have a son... lol... yeah... like thats gonna happen and everyone will be completely honest.

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No shit.

Is that a yes or a no?

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ORIGINAL: Chesterfield91
I've been trying to find a video but it's been taken down I think, of an experiment where two actors, male and female, went to a park and abused eachother on a bench, to see how people would react.

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It is the way most men are, ask them. It's the reason my brother got so much shit for defending himself, and a load of comments on how a man should never hit a girl. He said that it was an automatic reaction to being kneed in the balls, he didn'tthink about it, and he felt bad afterwards. His first words to me were actually "I've just done something really bad".

Did your brother hit his wife back or was the violence one-sided? Who hit first?

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I've been trying to find a video but it's been taken down I think, of an experiment where two actors, male and female, went to a park and abused eachother on a bench, to see how people would react.

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Seriously, ask your male friends what they think.

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It's a yes. You could say that about the women too. Of course you're going to try your best to prove the results false. I also linked to hundreds of others that show DV rates to be about equal between the genders. Like I said, no reason for male victims to not receive the same support that women do. It should be taken more seriously.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

What they think of what? That video? My friends, like me, would call the police and then start recording, wouldnt matter what sex the victim.