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Moonhead -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 10:06:02 AM)

I'm told he's actually a dickhead wanker of tiny proportions: why do you think his wife always has that bitchface sulk on her?



Lucylastic -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 10:11:40 AM)

didnt even know he was married, been a long time since I saw his ugly mug on the telly...



BamaD -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 10:16:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Your history speaks for itself. [;)]

your source
Liar definition
one who tells lies



BamaD -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 10:19:02 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Is that a Letterman reference?? if not, Im not sure of the meaning:) never watch letterman.
Cant stand the guy, one minute hes funny the next hes lame. I used to catch his shows occasionally when I lived in the UK, and would watch the test card rather than listen to him, and Ive seen a few clips here and there, , not a leno or obrian or any of them fan, never seen a full carson show either.
Ive been called a heathen many times:)


a sign of intellegence



tazzygirl -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 10:19:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Tazzy, just because a SC decision might uphold a ban doesn't make it constitutional. 4 of the justices would uphold a ban I'm afraid. From what I can tell as of now though, gun control measures being proposed are highly unlikely to make it into law.


I went back to find out about the California issue.

We spoke with Nathan Barankin, Director of Communications for the California Attorney General office, who informed us that this recent SKS gun ban issue arises from an unresolved legal definition. California was one of the first states to pass a ban on so-called "assault weapons," which included the SKS rifle -- but only if the rifle had a detachable magazine. Rifles with fixed, non-removable magazines were exempt from this confiscation order, but those with removable magazine had to be recorded ("registered") and turned over to government authorities.

Many owners of fixed-magazine SKS rifles later converted them to removable-magazine models. At the time, the Attorney General (who is not the current AG) wrote a letter to these gun owners assuring them that these rifles were perfectly legal and not subject to the gun confiscation order.

In 1996, a man owning one of these converted rifles was arrested in Santa Clara County and prosecuted by the District Attorney for possessing an illegal firearm. The case wound its way to the state Supreme Court where a decision was finally handed down: yes, indeed, these rifles are illegal, the court said.

This ruling created instant criminals. Barankin told Y2KNEWSWIRE, "So what we had in 1997 was, by judicial ruling, a law that says all these people who had been informed that these weapons were legal were now suddenly felons."

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/californiademandsaksrifles.htm

I will wait for you to read this because I have many more questions.



Moonhead -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 10:24:14 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

didnt even know he was married, been a long time since I saw his ugly mug on the telly...

That's a benefit of moving to Canada: the wanker's all over the media here like a rash on a whore's fanny...



Lucylastic -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 10:29:06 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Is that a Letterman reference?? if not, Im not sure of the meaning:) never watch letterman.
Cant stand the guy, one minute hes funny the next hes lame. I used to catch his shows occasionally when I lived in the UK, and would watch the test card rather than listen to him, and Ive seen a few clips here and there, , not a leno or obrian or any of them fan, never seen a full carson show either.
Ive been called a heathen many times:)


a sign of intellegence

How would you know?



BamaD -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 10:55:48 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Is that a Letterman reference?? if not, Im not sure of the meaning:) never watch letterman.
Cant stand the guy, one minute hes funny the next hes lame. I used to catch his shows occasionally when I lived in the UK, and would watch the test card rather than listen to him, and Ive seen a few clips here and there, , not a leno or obrian or any of them fan, never seen a full carson show either.
Ive been called a heathen many times:)


a sign of intellegence

How would you know?

can't be nice some people I guess



Lucylastic -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 11:02:30 AM)

Ill be nice when you show me the links to the figures you swore were from the home office( as I showed mine about 12 posts back which you have oh so carefully ignored), when you stop being snide , and when you can take responsibility for your own intellectual dishonesty and understand that you are getting miffed over being told to stop telling lies, then tell me I have a "sign of intelligence" and you were being NICE???
yeah? try harder



BamaD -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 11:47:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Ill be nice when you show me the links to the figures you swore were from the home office( as I showed mine about 12 posts back which you have oh so carefully ignored), when you stop being snide , and when you can take responsibility for your own intellectual dishonesty and understand that you are getting miffed over being told to stop telling lies, then tell me I have a "sign of intelligence" and you were being NICE???
yeah? try harder

you mean that you can't type in English home office crime figures? or do you need everything handed to you on a plater
I surf and find things, don't memorize urls mention them when the subject come up in the threads that much as you want it to be otherwise does not make me dishonest



Politesub53 -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 12:15:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

you mean that you can't type in English home office crime figures? or do you need everything handed to you on a plater
I surf and find things, don't memorize urls mention them when the subject come up in the threads that much as you want it to be otherwise does not make me dishonest


I typed in exactly that, among other things. No sign of your bogus figures to be seen.

As always, I wont hold my breath for an explaination. However, it is dishonest if you constantly make claims about stuff you have read, yet suddenly cant produce a link whenever asked.




Politesub53 -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 12:19:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

PS Jeff....from the home office site
on gun laws,
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/police/police-use-firearms/



Thanks Lucy.

JLF........Its coffee, I refuse to touch that other muck.



SimplyMichael -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 12:23:28 PM)

The SKS in CA became illegal because they were declared assualt weapons after the deadline,to register and keep them had passed. If you had registered one, it was still legal to own.

The SKS is complex in CA because some are grandfathered in,as "curios and relics" and,have to,have a bayonet attached, other identicle guns are illegal with a bayonet.

So, same gun has about five classifications,legally, many that,you cant telk simply by looking at the gun.

Despite what the link says, they were not converted to detachable mags, as they,have a semi fixed mag but someine made a 20 round mag instead of the,stock 10 rounder.



jlf1961 -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 12:24:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

PS Jeff....from the home office site
on gun laws,
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/police/police-use-firearms/



Thanks Lucy.

JLF........Its coffee, I refuse to touch that other muck.



Cant you be sent to the tower of London for not drinking tea? Or is that just some internet rumor?

Actually during the summer I drink ice tea, only drink coffee in the winter, and it is cooked in a peculator type pot on a wood stove that we use to cut the heating bill.



Politesub53 -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 12:29:27 PM)

You can only get in the Tower of London if you can afford the poxy rail fare. [;)]



BamaD -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 1:16:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

you mean that you can't type in English home office crime figures? or do you need everything handed to you on a plater
I surf and find things, don't memorize urls mention them when the subject come up in the threads that much as you want it to be otherwise does not make me dishonest


I typed in exactly that, among other things. No sign of your bogus figures to be seen.

As always, I wont hold my breath for an explaination. However, it is dishonest if you constantly make claims about stuff you have read, yet suddenly cant produce a link whenever asked.



just because I read it doesn't mean I memorized the url
which by the way I never claimed to have done
and just because you say it doesn't make it so
Finnally remembered our last exchange you chided me for responding to a statement with the word whinge even tough I was going on Lucy's definition so I asked you a fair response and you disapeared for two weeks so you going to let me give you a fair answer or not?



lovmuffin -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 2:51:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Tazzy, just because a SC decision might uphold a ban doesn't make it constitutional. 4 of the justices would uphold a ban I'm afraid. From what I can tell as of now though, gun control measures being proposed are highly unlikely to make it into law.


I went back to find out about the California issue.

We spoke with Nathan Barankin, Director of Communications for the California Attorney General office, who informed us that this recent SKS gun ban issue arises from an unresolved legal definition. California was one of the first states to pass a ban on so-called "assault weapons," which included the SKS rifle -- but only if the rifle had a detachable magazine. Rifles with fixed, non-removable magazines were exempt from this confiscation order, but those with removable magazine had to be recorded ("registered") and turned over to government authorities.

Many owners of fixed-magazine SKS rifles later converted them to removable-magazine models. At the time, the Attorney General (who is not the current AG) wrote a letter to these gun owners assuring them that these rifles were perfectly legal and not subject to the gun confiscation order.

In 1996, a man owning one of these converted rifles was arrested in Santa Clara County and prosecuted by the District Attorney for possessing an illegal firearm. The case wound its way to the state Supreme Court where a decision was finally handed down: yes, indeed, these rifles are illegal, the court said.

This ruling created instant criminals. Barankin told Y2KNEWSWIRE, "So what we had in 1997 was, by judicial ruling, a law that says all these people who had been informed that these weapons were legal were now suddenly felons."

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/californiademandsaksrifles.htm

I will wait for you to read this because I have many more questions.




Ok I read it, what's your question ?



Lucylastic -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 2:54:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

you mean that you can't type in English home office crime figures? or do you need everything handed to you on a plater
I surf and find things, don't memorize urls mention them when the subject come up in the threads that much as you want it to be otherwise does not make me dishonest




You mean the figures that dont exist at a url unless you download the xls files and actually look thru them??? just like I did in my response on page 20???
These figures, and numbers and URLS?


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Just for anyone who is interested.... here is the actual data, not some bullshit remarks from people who cant link to the specific data, back up their claims with facts or call out someone for being ignorant.[sm=ass.gif][sm=binky.gif]

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/taxonomy/index.html?nscl=Crime+in+England+and+Wales
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/science-research/research-statistics/crime/crime-statistics/

From the UN from the UN [image]http://www.lucylasticslair.com/crime/undoc.jpg[/image]

Figures [image]http://www.lucylasticslair.com/crime/figures.jpg[/image]

Weapon[image]http://www.lucylasticslair.com/crime/bcsweapons attack.jpg[/image]

Offense[image]http://www.lucylasticslair.com/crime/violence.jpg[/image]
[sm=excuseme.gif]


I called your 3.5 figure bullshit back in the gun control thread, I called on your figures and asked for links back on page 13
You obfuscated and back pedalled, you cannot back up your blatherings with links or facts, and its MY JOB to do it??? well guess what, I did...
Now call me irrational or a good girl or some brow soothing back handed compliment, or make another excuse as to why you cant fact out your BS and stop blaming Tazzy and I for your lousy facts.
If you cant back up your claims and "cant remember" you will understand why you get any credibility points.
You are not coming from a place of actual verifiable information.



tazzygirl -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 3:18:34 PM)

Im finding conflicting information. Were these bought back or not? I saw where reimbursement was made for the registration, as it should have been.

Also, were they not made illegal because of the detachable magazine? It sounds like many guns were fixed to prevent that. I am assuming they mean the fast type of removal as opposed to taking a while to slide a pin in or an allen wrench.

How many other guns did this affect? I cant find others that were treated similarly.

And, how is this the same as any other country? All along, in many of these debates, we have heard the cry of states being allowed to make their own decisions. Do you disagree with that now?



lovmuffin -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 3:19:17 PM)

I think you have misinterpreted Bamas postings. The fact is he can't spell, doesn't or doesn't know how to use spell check, can't type worth a crap and doesn't know how to use the backspace button, his posting are full of typos, he cant copy and paste and he admits he's virtually computer illiterate, maybe he meant 5.3 or 35.5, I don't know but generally when he talks specifics about guns (in the physical sense) he is correct assuming you can interpret what is being said.


No offense Bama, I'm on your side but sometimes its hard to make out what you're trying to convey. I'm trying to help you out here. If I could I would show you how to do these things. Find some one to help you set up your spell check and learn the copy and paste function to post a web site for reference. It's simple actually, you can google for a tutorial too. Also stay away from debating statistics with these two, they are relentless and they'll have you jumping through hoops trying to keep up. I know first hand.



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