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lovmuffin -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 3:36:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Im finding conflicting information. Were these bought back or not? I saw where reimbursement was made for the registration, as it should have been. Also, were they not made illegal because of the detachable magazine? It sounds like many guns were fixed to prevent that. I am assuming they mean the fast type of removal as opposed to taking a while to slide a pin in or an allen wrench. How many other guns did this affect? I cant find others that were treated similarly. And, how is this the same as any other country? All along, in many of these debates, we have heard the cry of states being allowed to make their own decisions. Do you disagree with that now? Do I disagree with what exactly ? I disagree with just about all of your opinions on these gun threads. Is that a good answer[8D] Most SKS's are manufactured with a fixed 10 round magazine. However, the magazine is removable simply by field stripping the rifle. It can be replaced with a 20 or 30 round fixed magazine that is also removable only by field stripping. With one of those 30 rounders when you run out of ammo you have to load it up again through the top of the rifle. Some of the SKS's were manufactured to accept AK 47 magazines. The SKS can also be converted to accept AK mags and there are after market 30 round mags specifically for the SKS that are detachable once you remove the original fixed magazine.

Lucylastic -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 3:39:34 PM)
where has he been correct on the figures, he said it more than once and never gave a link or typed out a few figures of his own. so please dont make excuses for him. Relentless against obvious bullshit statistics used as an excuse??, yes, you are damn right I am. Im also well aware of the typos etc, too ..I give him slack on it, I do not give him slack on his ability to admit he was wrong.Or how he deals with it.

lovmuffin -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 3:46:57 PM)
The SKS was its own unique snafu in the CA law. What I was referring to was the time between when the law was passed In 1989 to the deadline to register the particular banned guns. Due to the high estimates of non compliance when approaching the dead line the attorney general announced they were extending the deadline. Quite a few people registered their guns during this extension but were later told that the AT had no authority to extended the deadline. They were sent letters telling them to turn their guns in or get them out of the state or face prosecution.

lovmuffin -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 3:50:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic where has he been correct on the figures, he said it more than once and never gave a link or typed out a few figures of his own. so please dont make excuses for him. Relentless against obvious bullshit statistics used as an excuse??, yes, you are damn right I am. Im also well aware of the typos etc, too ..I give him slack on it, I do not give him slack on his ability to admit he was wrong.Or how he deals with it. I meant he is correct on specific gun nomenclature.

Lucylastic -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 3:55:17 PM)
Thank you for clarifying your comment. It makes things easier

lovmuffin -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 3:59:15 PM)
Your Welcome[;)] Its my pleasure making it easier for you.

Politesub53 -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 4:04:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD you mean that you can't type in English home office crime figures? or do you need everything handed to you on a plater I surf and find things, don't memorize urls mention them when the subject come up in the threads that much as you want it to be otherwise does not make me dishonest I typed in exactly that, among other things. No sign of your bogus figures to be seen. As always, I wont hold my breath for an explaination. However, it is dishonest if you constantly make claims about stuff you have read, yet suddenly cant produce a link whenever asked. just because I read it doesn't mean I memorized the url which by the way I never claimed to have done and just because you say it doesn't make it so Finnally remembered our last exchange you chided me for responding to a statement with the word whinge even tough I was going on Lucy's definition so I asked you a fair response and you disapeared for two weeks so you going to let me give you a fair answer or not? Laughable.......Check my posts I have been here, and posted, every day. I also posted that you initially said whinge wasntt a word then proceded to tell me what I meant. I am unsure how to make this any clearer, the link you said existed, doesnt. The so called "home office" figures you quoted are utter nonsense. Your stance is also very transparent.

Politesub53 -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 4:12:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin Also stay away from debating statistics with these two, they are relentless and they'll have you jumping through hoops trying to keep up. I know first hand. I`m not even debating statistics yet. I am only asking for someone to show that what they claim to be fact actually exists. I will tear the said statistics apart as and when he posts them. In defence of gun ownership we keep getting told violent crime is higher in the UK as we have no guns. It isnt so, as shown by Lucys charts. Your "dont debate statistics with these two" stance is a cop out, because we are not insisting on the impossible. I find anyone who feels they are jumping through hoops with me, is usually doing so as they are bullshitting, for the most part.

Lucylastic -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 4:21:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin Your Welcome[;)] Its my pleasure making it easier for you. Im sure it must be:) chuckling

tazzygirl -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 5:06:53 PM)
And yet did you didnt answer most of my questions. And, again, none of this shows an attempt at a total gun ban. Even NY wasnt a total ban of all guns. And, as you pointed out, if your state changes their laws, you can always move to another one.

lovmuffin -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 5:07:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: lovmuffin Also stay away from debating statistics with these two, they are relentless and they'll have you jumping through hoops trying to keep up. I know first hand. I`m not even debating statistics yet. I am only asking for someone to show that what they claim to be fact actually exists. I will tear the said statistics apart as and when he posts them. In defence of gun ownership we keep getting told violent crime is higher in the UK as we have no guns. It isnt so, as shown by Lucys charts. Your "dont debate statistics with these two" stance is a cop out, because we are not insisting on the impossible. I find anyone who feels they are jumping through hoops with me, is usually doing so as they are bullshitting, for the most part. I was referring to Tazzy and Lucy. Comparing the UK with the US is like comparing apples and carrots. Its a different place and a different culture. If you want lots of gun violence we have that in cities with strict gun control and so called gun free zones. If you want a very low incidence of gun violence we have that too in places where there is a high ownership of guns. Why is it you guys resist those statistics.

tazzygirl -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 5:08:25 PM)
I think he meant me and Lucy.... lol

tazzygirl -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 5:13:10 PM)
I found this interesting... Im still digging [image]http://www.asymptosis.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/gundeathsbystate.png[/image]

PeonForHer -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/12/2013 5:13:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I'm told he's actually a dickhead wanker of tiny proportions: why do you think his wife always has that bitchface sulk on her? Some northern blokes have done as well as Wossy, you know, Moony. Look at Michael Parkinson, for instance. :-)

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