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tazzygirl -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 9:55:58 AM)

He didnt know that. Why open a crawl space? You enter a bedroom, look around, find nothing. You test a door, its locked. Figure something valuable is inside. You open that one. Its just a bathroom. Why lock a bathroom from the outside? You look around, find another opening, you open that one.... I highly doubt he thought people were inside. It says the wife's voice isnt even audible on the tapes, indicating she was whispering.




BamaD -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 9:57:18 AM)


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which would you keep?

http://www.upworthy.com/angry-gun-advocate-loses-it-live-on-cnn-in-the-most-bizarre-interview-ever



Better question IMHO is: Which would you want to respond to your 911 call?


Neither one of them. I prefer professionals.

Well, you are more than welcome to prefer professionals. I prefer the first good guy/gal with a gun who shows up.

I prefer the emts to collect the body




tazzygirl -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 9:58:21 AM)

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Locked doors do mean something valuable but typical bedroom and bathroom doors cannot be unlocked with a regular key from the outside. Therefore if you find a locked one, there's a person behind it.


lol.. all ours that locked had keys. I wouldnt put a door knob that had a push pin job on it in a house that size... lol... would be tacky to say the least.




BamaD -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 9:58:47 AM)


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He didnt know that. Why open a crawl space? You enter a bedroom, look around, find nothing. You test a door, its locked. Figure something valuable is inside. You open that one. Its just a bathroom. Why lock a bathroom from the outside? You look around, find another opening, you open that one.... I highly doubt he thought people were inside. It says the wife's voice isnt even audible on the tapes, indicating she was whispering.

a bathroom door that had to have been locked from the inside




MariaB -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 9:59:38 AM)

Back to Piers or Alex Jones..

I'm British and I can honestly say that when Jamie Oliver came over to the U.S to teach American parents how to cook, I was rightly embarrassed and swore from then on I would never look at one of Jamie's recipes again.

The same goes for Piers. Why would an Englishman go to the U.S and try and persuade a population (that isn't his) about gun laws?
Imagine an American equivalent of Piers coming to England to give us all a lecture on why we should have guns. Its ridiculous.
As for Jones, If your going to get a public speaker to advocate guns, then at least get an intelligent one and one who can show some self control.
Jones played right into Piers hands and behaved exactly how Piers wanted him to. I have seen Piers in action with some incredibly strong assertive and loud people but this is the first time I have seen him back down and not have the ability to talk over the top of someone. It was very deliberate.




tazzygirl -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 10:00:14 AM)

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Well, you are more than welcome to prefer professionals. I prefer the first good guy/gal with a gun who shows up.


Hell.. one wouldnt carry a gun.. and the other is too insane to know who is good or bad. Either way, with either of them, I am screwed.. and not in a good way.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 10:04:28 AM)

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Could have been the maid in the study with a candle stick... or the butler in the pantry with an ash tray.

Everyone knows it was colonel Mustard. Bastard had PTSD.


LMMFAO!!!




tazzygirl -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 10:05:04 AM)


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He didnt know that. Why open a crawl space? You enter a bedroom, look around, find nothing. You test a door, its locked. Figure something valuable is inside. You open that one. Its just a bathroom. Why lock a bathroom from the outside? You look around, find another opening, you open that one.... I highly doubt he thought people were inside. It says the wife's voice isnt even audible on the tapes, indicating she was whispering.

a bathroom door that had to have been locked from the inside


I am sure once he got inside, he realized someone was home.

My point before all this supposition on all sides is that the man went to the door and rang the bell, repeatedly, which is the norm now for burglars according to studies, giving the woman time to not only grab her kids, but a gun too.

He didnt want anyone to be home. He tested it, thinking someone at home would have answered. Once inside, he is committed.




RacerJim -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 10:05:27 AM)


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funny my kid and none of the kids I have taught gun safty to have ever messed with a gun just because it was lying around
step one being demistifiyng guns

ps still wish I could type


http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/region/mercer-boy-7-dies-after-fathers-gun-goes-off-665617/#ixzz2GpbuzzLO

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/2-year-old-boy-shot-killed-himself-fathers-gun/nTg7s/

This one's father is a cop.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/family-grieving-miracle-baby-died-birth-shoots-father-gun-article-1.1161459

So dont try and pass it off as it doesnt happen. It does.

And don't you try and pass it off as happening a lot. It doesn't, and specifically in comparison to the 3,300+/- babys murdered each and every day by abortion (you wanna ban abortion implements?). How about the thousands of people killed by drunk drivers every year. You wanna ban cars and trucks?




Hillwilliam -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 10:06:40 AM)


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Locked doors do mean something valuable but typical bedroom and bathroom doors cannot be unlocked with a regular key from the outside. Therefore if you find a locked one, there's a person behind it.


lol.. all ours that locked had keys. I wouldnt put a door knob that had a push pin job on it in a house that size... lol... would be tacky to say the least.

I've sold real estate since '95 and been in thousands of houses.
I only remember one that had keyed locks to interior doors and that was one of the bedrooms.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 10:06:59 AM)

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30 states do not enter the mental health info into the instant backgroud check database this led directly to the Va Tech incident and maybe others this needs to be fixed

And 500,000 guns are stolen each year... FBI estimates.
How many are privately sold that would never hit a background check? How many are gifts?
I agree, our mental health system needs a massive upgrade.
Background checks need to be better maintained.
But they arent all legally obtained using a background check.


And, an increase in restrictions isn't going to stop people from illegally getting guns.




tazzygirl -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 10:07:48 AM)

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And don't you try and pass it off as happening a lot. It doesn't, and specifically in comparison to the 3,300+/- babys murdered each and every day by abortion (you wanna ban abortion implements?). How about the thousands of people killed by drunk drivers every year. You wanna ban cars and trucks?


Drunk drivers have been addressed already. Read the thread.

Abortions is a separate issue all together. Its legal, as much as you hate that fact, and by legal definition, it isnt murder.

The children I posted about were not murdered either. But they are dead because someone was NOT responsible with their guns.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 10:09:05 AM)


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He didnt know that. Why open a crawl space? You enter a bedroom, look around, find nothing. You test a door, its locked. Figure something valuable is inside. You open that one. Its just a bathroom. Why lock a bathroom from the outside? You look around, find another opening, you open that one.... I highly doubt he thought people were inside. It says the wife's voice isnt even audible on the tapes, indicating she was whispering.

a bathroom door that had to have been locked from the inside


I am sure once he got inside, he realized someone was home.

My point before all this supposition on all sides is that the man went to the door and rang the bell, repeatedly, which is the norm now for burglars according to studies, giving the woman time to not only grab her kids, but a gun too.

He didnt want anyone to be home. He tested it, thinking someone at home would have answered. Once inside, he is committed.

Once inside and he realized someone was home as evidenced by 2 locked doors and a good possibility of an audible voice, he could have still bailed. He could have put his hand on that doorknob that lead to the crawl space where the voice was coming from and still retreated and lived.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 10:10:36 AM)

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EXCELLENT POINT. for all practical purposes, they started actually enforcing the law. Alcohol wasn't banned.
Bars weren't banned. Liquor stores weren't banned. There has been a minimum age for generations but it wasn't enforced (trust me on that one ).
There are at least a hundred more places that sell alcohol within 30 miles of me and there are fewer DUI's than 40 years ago.
They basically told cops "If you see someone driving drunk, fucking ARREST EM, don't wink at em and let em go."

Yes, laws were enforced.. and new ones were made. Such as making bar owners responsible for related injuries of a drunk driver from their establishment. Some states, I know Ohio does this, have special colored license plates. Its easy to spot someone who belongs to a household with a drunk driving conviction for the cops. Making hosts of parties responsible.
There have been a slew of laws added... all about responsibility.


PARTY PLATES!!!!
[image]http://www.daytondui.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/OhioDUIplate6.jpg[/image]




DesideriScuri -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 10:12:14 AM)

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More to do with creating a lucrative niche for career criminals to exploit, as a matter of fact.


Which has happened with the "War on Drugs" and would happen with gun bans.




tazzygirl -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 10:14:32 AM)


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30 states do not enter the mental health info into the instant backgroud check database this led directly to the Va Tech incident and maybe others this needs to be fixed

And 500,000 guns are stolen each year... FBI estimates.
How many are privately sold that would never hit a background check? How many are gifts?
I agree, our mental health system needs a massive upgrade.
Background checks need to be better maintained.
But they arent all legally obtained using a background check.


And, an increase in restrictions isn't going to stop people from illegally getting guns.


If you dont have semi'sm then at least whatever portion of that 500,000 a year that are semi's wont be stolen each year. No one will be able to make private sales, legally, each year.

And, unless I am mistaken... hold on.. let me check.. yes...

The Tucson Police Department also held a gun buyback Tuesday. Police want to destroy the 206 firearms turned in to them. But the National Rifle Association says that would violate Arizona law.

A line of people with guns formed in front of the midtown Tucson police station well before the 9 a.m. starting time for the buyback.

At a command post in the parking lot, officers checked weapons to make sure they hadn't been stolen or used in a crime, and took the guns. The people who turned them in got a $50 Safeway gift card for every gun — money donated by the grocery chain and by private contributors.

Anna Jolivet had four old rifles she didn't want: "They belonged to my husband, and he passed away four years ago, and I haven't had any success in having someone take them off of me since then. So I thought this is a good time to turn them in."

That's exactly what Republican Tucson City Councilman Steve Kozachik expected when he asked the police to do the buyback. What he didn't expect was the response after he announced the event.

"I've been getting threats," Kozachik says. "I've been getting emails. I've been getting phone calls in the office trying to shut this thing down or 'We're going to sue you' or 'Who do you think you are?' "

Todd Rathner, an Arizona lobbyist and a national board member of the NRA, may sue. He has no problem with the gun buyback, but he does have a problem with the fate of the guns once police take possession of them.

"We do believe that it is illegal for them to destroy those guns," he says.

Rathner says Arizona state law forces local governments to sell seized or abandoned property to the highest bidder.

"If property has been abandoned to the police, then they are required by ARS 12-945 to sell it to a federally licensed firearms dealer, and that's exactly what they should do," he says.

That way, Rathner says, the guns can be put back in circulation or given away.

The Tucson city attorney calls that a misreading of the law.

Councilman Kozachik says the guns aren't being abandoned; they're being turned in voluntarily.

"This is about giving somebody the chance to say, 'Look I'm not comfortable having this weapon, here's an opportunity for me to just get rid of it in a proper manner,' " Kozachik says.


http://www.npr.org/2013/01/09/168926749/nra-vows-to-stop-tuscon-from-destroying-guns

Whats the point to this?




tazzygirl -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 10:16:11 AM)

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Once inside and he realized someone was home as evidenced by 2 locked doors and a good possibility of an audible voice, he could have still bailed. He could have put his hand on that doorknob that lead to the crawl space where the voice was coming from and still retreated and lived.


He wasnt going to bail.. he was inside. They could have not been at home. They could have been gone and just left before he got there. He had to be sure.




tazzygirl -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 10:18:45 AM)

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PARTY PLATES!!!!


LOL.. at night they glow when headlights hit them. Pretty hard to miss.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 10:24:27 AM)

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Rathner says Arizona state law forces local governments to sell seized or abandoned property to the highest bidder.


Another reason I don't support the NRA is dumbassery like that.

The property wasn't abandoned nor was it seized by the police. It was purchased for what the buyer and seller both felt was fair market value in an arms-length transaction.




Aswad -> RE: Piers or Alex Jones... (1/10/2013 10:25:34 AM)

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If you want to ask questions, how many of those homocides were criminals doing a public service by killing each other?


This one strikes me as an interesting question.

I get that it's problematic to assess for certain whether a dead person was a criminal or not, and that people shot but still alive might be less than thrilled at the prospect of revealing that they are criminals to law enforcement, but surely there should be some statistics about this, if only to provide a reasonable best guess, a ballpark figure. Things like how many victims had prior convictions, particularly violent crime or the like, and how many victims had known gang affiliations.

The only good (politically, that is) reason I can think of not to have an attempt at statistics here is, it might paint a disturbingly clear picture of the cost of the war on drugs, as I suspect a lot of this is internal to the drug community. In which case, in a cynical sense, that might be written off as a public service, or at least not particularly detrimental to society as a whole (and we are, I take it, weighing public good against private liberty here).

IWYW,
— Aswad.




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